O.T. on abortion..........

The only one who should have a say on what to do with it is the woman carrying it. EDIT: If she wants to have the kid and he wants to leave, let him. He'll just have to pay child support. There's no reason why he should have to stay in the relationship if he doesn't love her.krazykillaz

i just cant seem to take you seriously.... i think its the hippo.... hehe

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]i only believe abortion is ok if the mother is in danger or if the woman was raped.quiglythegreat

i honestly can't say at this point. you make a good point though.

Pro-Choice. If you are considering abortion in the first place, it'd be better for the child not to have lived at all unless you can guarentee him/her a life worth living. You pro-life guys act like life is amazing and your denying a child of it. That's not true at at all. Life is hell and sometimes it'd be better not to have that future baby born at all. GodLovesDead

SO its better to die then live an average life. :?

Pro-Choice. If you are considering abortion in the first place, it'd be better for the child not to have lived at all unless you can guarentee him/her a life worth living. You pro-life guys act like life is amazing and your denying a child of it. That's not true at at all. Life is hell and sometimes it'd be better not to have that future baby born at all. GodLovesDead

ew.... talk about pessimist

Pro-Choice. If you are considering abortion in the first place, it'd be better for the child not to have lived at all unless you can guarentee him/her a life worth living. You pro-life guys act like life is amazing and your denying a child of it. That's not true at at all. Life is hell and sometimes it'd be better not to have that future baby born at all. GodLovesDead

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]The only one who should have a say on what to do with it is the woman carrying it.Oleg_Huzwog

What about the father?

See the biggest thing that makes me not care is alot of the mothers getting abortions are pretty set on not having a baby. If we sit here and go "No, you don't have a choice and you must give birth" we are going to get alot more cases of people hurting themselves or going to extreme measures to not have one. Smoke89

[QUOTE="Smoke89"]See the biggest thing that makes me not care is alot of the mothers getting abortions are pretty set on not having a baby. If we sit here and go "No, you don't have a choice and you must give birth" we are going to get alot more cases of people hurting themselves or going to extreme measures to not have one. Erasorn

thats inappropriate and offensive.

[QUOTE="Erasorn"][QUOTE="Smoke89"]See the biggest thing that makes me not care is alot of the mothers getting abortions are pretty set on not having a baby. If we sit here and go "No, you don't have a choice and you must give birth" we are going to get alot more cases of people hurting themselves or going to extreme measures to not have one. PeterPerson

thats inappropriate and offensive.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]The only one who should have a say on what to do with it is the woman carrying it.krazykillaz

What about the father?

Why should that matter? It's his offspring, too. What if a father wants the child and is willing to assume full responsibility in raising it?

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[QUOTE="Erasorn"][QUOTE="Smoke89"]See the biggest thing that makes me not care is alot of the mothers getting abortions are pretty set on not having a baby. If we sit here and go "No, you don't have a choice and you must give birth" we are going to get alot more cases of people hurting themselves or going to extreme measures to not have one. quiglythegreat

thats inappropriate and offensive.

it doesnt really offend me. i just thought id let him know that that could be potentially offensive to someone. just trying to be nice...

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]The only one who should have a say on what to do with it is the woman carrying it.Oleg_Huzwog

What about the father?

Why should that matter? It's his offspring, too. What if a father wants the child and is willing to assume full responsibility in raising it?

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]Pro-Choice. If you are considering abortion in the first place, it'd be better for the child not to have lived at all unless you can guarentee him/her a life worth living. You pro-life guys act like life is amazing and your denying a child of it. That's not true at at all. Life is hell and sometimes it'd be better not to have that future baby born at all. quiglythegreat

If you're seriously considering abortion, you're not ready to raise your child. End of story. Killing a pre-fetus is like wearing a condom. Except it's at a much later stage. There's nothing pessimistic or sadistic about my argument, and if you think so - you haven't bothered to understand it.

Then he better hope the woman is willing to carry it. It's not his body. He can't force her to keep it if she doesn't want it.krazykillaz

Ah, but the entire pro-life movement is built around the belief that it's not HER body either, it's a third body that just happens to reside within her's.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]Pro-Choice. If you are considering abortion in the first place, it'd be better for the child not to have lived at all unless you can guarentee him/her a life worth living. You pro-life guys act like life is amazing and your denying a child of it. That's not true at at all. Life is hell and sometimes it'd be better not to have that future baby born at all. GodLovesDead

If you're seriously considering abortion, you're not ready to raise your child. End of story. Killing a pre-fetus is like wearing a condom. Except it's at a much later stage. There's nothing pessimistic or sadistic about my argument, and if you think so - you haven't bothered to understand it.

If you're seriously considering abortion, you're not ready to raise your child. End of story. Killing a pre-fetus is like wearing a condom. Except it's at a much later stage. There's nothing pessimistic or sadistic about my argument, and if you think so - you haven't bothered to understand it.

GodLovesDead

The killing part is. Whats wrong with adoption. My friend is adopted.

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]Pro-Choice. If you are considering abortion in the first place, it'd be better for the child not to have lived at all unless you can guarentee him/her a life worth living. You pro-life guys act like life is amazing and your denying a child of it. That's not true at at all. Life is hell and sometimes it'd be better not to have that future baby born at all. quiglythegreat

If you're seriously considering abortion, you're not ready to raise your child. End of story. Killing a pre-fetus is like wearing a condom. Except it's at a much later stage. There's nothing pessimistic or sadistic about my argument, and if you think so - you haven't bothered to understand it.

Potential life is endless. Do I even need to bring up the recent story of a baby found in a dumpster?

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]

If you're seriously considering abortion, you're not ready to raise your child. End of story. Killing a pre-fetus is like wearing a condom. Except it's at a much later stage. There's nothing pessimistic or sadistic about my argument, and if you think so - you haven't bothered to understand it.

Mythbuster4ever

The killing part is. Whats wrong with adoption. My friend is adopted.

By masturbating you are killing sperm. So I guess that's wrong too?

if your aloud to kill a babie while its still inside you then what would be the difference of killing it when its born. you guys are saying "the mom can do what she wants with her child" well then what would be wrong with your mom deciding to kill you today?PeterPerson

Because most abortions are performed when the embryo is still a clump of cells.

I could care less if someone gets an abortion... I think it should be up to those involved, not us. But then why not just take abortion babies and use them for stem cell research... it was going to be killed anyways, might as well make it useful.Smoke89

That could be a good solution.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]Pro-Choice. If you are considering abortion in the first place, it'd be better for the child not to have lived at all unless you can guarentee him/her a life worth living. You pro-life guys act like life is amazing and your denying a child of it. That's not true at at all. Life is hell and sometimes it'd be better not to have that future baby born at all. GodLovesDead

If you're seriously considering abortion, you're not ready to raise your child. End of story. Killing a pre-fetus is like wearing a condom. Except it's at a much later stage. There's nothing pessimistic or sadistic about my argument, and if you think so - you haven't bothered to understand it.

abortion is wrong. its murder. its in the bible.PeterPerson

[QUOTE="Smoke89"]I could care less if someone gets an abortion... I think it should be up to those involved, not us. But then why not just take abortion babies and use them for stem cell research... it was going to be killed anyways, might as well make it useful.ninjacat11

That could be a good solution.

The only problem I see with that is that some can argue that fetuses are life. If so, where does one draw the line? Should we experiment on the mentally handicapped since they will die anyways and serve no purpose to society? It's a pretty grey area and it needs to be discussed (referring to embryonic stem cell research).

Note: I don't mean to be offensive. One of my relatives is mentally handicapped.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]Pro-Choice. If you are considering abortion in the first place, it'd be better for the child not to have lived at all unless you can guarentee him/her a life worth living. You pro-life guys act like life is amazing and your denying a child of it. That's not true at at all. Life is hell and sometimes it'd be better not to have that future baby born at all. GodLovesDead

If you're seriously considering abortion, you're not ready to raise your child. End of story. Killing a pre-fetus is like wearing a condom. Except it's at a much later stage. There's nothing pessimistic or sadistic about my argument, and if you think so - you haven't bothered to understand it.

ok then, if the mother is not ready for a child then why not give the child up for adoption? very viable option and no life will be lost.

and no, semen and a fertilyzed embryo is not the same thing. where i come from that fertilyzed egg develops into a child whereas semen does nothing on it's own.

i believe this all comes down to birth control. there will be very few unwanted pregnacies if the mother (or father) takes the necessary procedures to prevent it. why punish a living thing when it's the parents fault? you have to take responsibility for your actions and do what's right.

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]

If you're seriously considering abortion, you're not ready to raise your child. End of story. Killing a pre-fetus is like wearing a condom. Except it's at a much later stage. There's nothing pessimistic or sadistic about my argument, and if you think so - you haven't bothered to understand it.

Mythbuster4ever

The killing part is. Whats wrong with adoption. My friend is adopted.

By masturbating you are killing sperm. So I guess that's wrong too?

Its like making a cake. Its coll to throw eggs at the wall, because they have not been combined with flour. But when you throw away cake batter you throw away goodness

Abortion is wrong, except in the cases which a mother's life is in danger, rape, or incest. Otherwise it is just a convenience issue. Don't want a baby? Don't have sex. it's that simple. I dont understand why people have a hard time figuring out when life begins. it's simple. once the embryo consumes energy to grow, it is living.

being adopted, i find it extremely unsettling that someone would have had the right to tell me i dont have the right to live. my birth parents considered abortion. im glad they chose otherwise but they have no right to say i die.

as for the "its her body" bullcrap, no not really. its two bodies. and you are responsible for the life you spread your legs to create. just give the kid up for adoption, there are plenty of people wanting a child who cant make their own. dont be so selfish. tee hee omg i wont get ta go partay n e more :( :( .....just DIAF.

I wouldn't do it but I'd never tell somebody what to do with their body/life either.D9-THC

me neither.

I'm pro-life. That one child can grow up to be a brilliant person who may find cures for diseases or something else. It may be a slim chance, but there's still a chance.the_foreign_guy

Or on the other hand, you could end up with another Mussolini.

I'm pro-choice, but against abortion.

[QUOTE="D9-THC"]I wouldn't do it but I'd never tell somebody what to do with their body/life either.chrisrooR

me neither.

[QUOTE="D9-THC"]I wouldn't do it but I'd never tell somebody what to do with their body/life either.chrisrooR

me neither.

and here i thought all this time that it was a living thing inside her body connected to her by a small tube.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="D9-THC"]I wouldn't do it but I'd never tell somebody what to do with their body/life either.ItalStallion777

me neither.

and here i thought all this time that it was a living thing inside her body connected to her by a small tube.

Pro Choice. It's the woman's child, they should have the right to choose.JumpingMirrior

what about when it's born? it's still her child then. does that mean a mother can do whatever she want to her child just because it's hers? you make it sound like a child is property.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]Pro-Choice. If you are considering abortion in the first place, it'd be better for the child not to have lived at all unless you can guarentee him/her a life worth living. You pro-life guys act like life is amazing and your denying a child of it. That's not true at at all. Life is hell and sometimes it'd be better not to have that future baby born at all. GodLovesDead

If you're seriously considering abortion, you're not ready to raise your child. End of story. Killing a pre-fetus is like wearing a condom. Except it's at a much later stage. There's nothing pessimistic or sadistic about my argument, and if you think so - you haven't bothered to understand it.

Potential life is endless. Do I even need to bring up the recent story of a baby found in a dumpster?

[QUOTE="D9-THC"]I wouldn't do it but I'd never tell somebody what to do with their body/life either.chrisrooR

me neither.

i think abortion should only be done under certain conditions(ex. failed protection/birth control, rape,mother's life is in danger). i also believe the decision should only be made the mother.

I also have a question related to the Bible. The Bible mentions several times that life is in the blood. (you can find this in the passages of Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:11 and 17:14, and Deuteronomy 12:23 all of the KJV). My question is, since the Bible says that life is in the blood and how there isn't a heartbeat or blood until around the third week of pregnancy, doesn't that mean that life does not begin at conception and that it is allowed in the bible to have an abortion within the first three weeks?

Pro-choice. If it's not my problem, don't drag me into it.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="D9-THC"]I wouldn't do it but I'd never tell somebody what to do with their body/life either.ItalStallion777

me neither.

and here i thought all this time that it was a living thing inside her body connected to her by a small tube.

every cell on your body is living and then dies. A fetus starts off as a cell and proceeds to grow. Every time you scratch your nose you have thousands of tiny abortions ;)

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="D9-THC"]I wouldn't do it but I'd never tell somebody what to do with their body/life either.chrisrooR

me neither.

and here i thought all this time that it was a living thing inside her body connected to her by a small tube.

every cell on your body is living and then dies. A fetus starts off as a cell and proceeds to grow. Every time you scratch your nose you have thousands of tiny abortions ;)

skin cells create babies? :shock:

if you can prove my nose will turn into a baby i'll stop scratching it.