Oh, I'm sorry, did you think racism was dead? The sad truth inside.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="Drasonak"]

"According to a National Opinion Research Center survey in the early 90s, over sixty percent of whites believe that blacks are generally lazier than other groups, 56% say that blacks are generally more prone to violence, and over half say that blacks are generally less intelligent than other groups (1)."

"And we have long believed that, so even in the early 1960s, at a time when in retrospect all would agree the nation was profoundly unequal in its treatment of people of color, whites told pollsters in overwhelming numbers (anywhere from sixty-five to nearly ninety percent) that blacks had equal opportunities in employment and education."

"And according to a 2001 survey, sixty percent of whites, approximately, admit that they believe at least one negative and racist stereotype of blacks: for example, that they are generally lazy, generally aggressive or violent, or prefer to live on welfare rather than work for a living (2)."

"'when given a test of unconscious stereotyping, nearly ninety percent of whites who have taken the test implicitly associate the faces of black Americans with negative words and traits such as evil character or failure.'"

Source: http://www.laprogressive.com/whites-deny-racism/

Bu-bu-but my history textbook written by a bunch of bitter old white men said that white men abolished racism in the 1960s. I mean, yeah, they also invented racism back in the 17th century, but obviously that's not important.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] The average IQ by racial demographic is low for black Americans (85 I think). Incarceration rate by race is also by far the highest for black Americans. Obviously the average of a given group does not represent each individual within it, but if you are going to group people together by race then you have to accept the statistics that go along with those groups.Laihendi

And what exactly do you extrapolate from those numbers? 

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] And what are those statistics suppose to prove? -Sun_Tzu-

And what exactly do you extrapolate from those numbers? 

No I never thought that.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] They prove exactly what they say. Black Americans as a demographic have a lower average IQ and higher average incarceration rate than other racial demographics. You can extrapolate from that what you will, but numbers are numbers. It is absolutely not racist to say black Americans as a group (obviously there are many exceptions) are more prone to committing violent crimes, and rather than calling honest people who look at the statistics racist we should be addressing the issue and understanding why they are committing the crimes.Laihendi

And what exactly do you extrapolate from those numbers? 

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] lol

And what exactly do you extrapolate from those numbers? 

Ace6301

Lai do you think that those numbers at all correlate with the numbers that suggest black americans are more likely to currently reside or have been raised at or below the poverty level?

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]I can tell you are trying to make me say something that will sound racist, and I am not going to give you that.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] They prove exactly what they say. Black Americans as a demographic have a lower average IQ and higher average incarceration rate than other racial demographics. You can extrapolate from that what you will, but numbers are numbers. It is absolutely not racist to say black Americans as a group (obviously there are many exceptions) are more prone to committing violent crimes, and rather than calling honest people who look at the statistics racist we should be addressing the issue and understanding why they are committing the crimes.Laihendi

And what exactly do you extrapolate from those numbers? 

Lai do you think that those numbers at all correlate with the numbers that suggest black americans are more likely to currently reside or have been raised at or below the poverty level?

Yusuke420

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] lol

And what exactly do you extrapolate from those numbers? 

Ace6301

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Lai do you think that those numbers at all correlate with the numbers that suggest black americans are more likely to currently reside or have been raised at or below the poverty level?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] lol

And what exactly do you extrapolate from those numbers? 

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]I can tell you are trying to make me say something that will sound racist, and I am not going to give you that.Laihendi

The earth hasn't crumbled beneath me, nor have I been struck by lightning. 

Looks like I can call you racist after all. 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Lai do you think that those numbers at all correlate with the numbers that suggest black americans are more likely to currently reside or have been raised at or below the poverty level?

Yusuke420

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] If you're worried that I'd think what you would say is racist have no fear, you throwing around out-of-context statistics that give a negative impression of black people without elaborating on them at all already gave me that impression. Now that we got that out of the way, feel free to expand on the point you're trying to make. -Sun_Tzu-

The earth hasn't crumbled beneath me, nor have I been struck by lightning. 

Looks like I can call you racist after all. 

You cannot call me racist. I am part native American.Laihendi

[QUOTE="Drasonak"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

They would probably just refer to origins of specific types of recent racism, so yes, you daft cvnt.

coolbeans90

I don't believe you when you say you have the backing of many scholars. You surely have either fabricated that piece of information, or misunderstood (easy thing for idiots to do). You can do your own research. I'm not your professor, so I'm perfectly content to mock your ignorance instead of try to correct it.

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Not everyone in poverty resorts to crime. How do you explain that? Why must that be the correlation? LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"] There's a difference between poverty and generational poverty. If you look at the statistics of people who's parents or their predecessors, you begin to see a rise in the amount of crime and lack of upward mobility not just amoung black americans. but all people as a whole. Desperation leads to doing irrational things if you think that those things will better your chances of survival and increased economic and social standing. 

Yusuke420

Lai do you think that those numbers at all correlate with the numbers that suggest black americans are more likely to currently reside or have been raised at or below the poverty level?

Yusuke420

The people I know that recieve welfare (are we talking food stamp and cash benefits?) struggle with things day to day. Most of them work a part-time job because they are either high school dropouts with multiple children or someone with a felony or two in the past which makes it tough to find quality employment. That being said these people may have their own apartments and might even have there own vehicles, but the payments for those things eats all of their actual income from their jobs, so the food stamps actually put food on the table that otherwise wouldn't be there. That program keeps millions from starving and I can't see how that can be considered a bad thing. 

The people I know that recieve welfare (are we talking food stamp and cash benefits?) struggle with things day to day. Most of them work a part-time job because they are either high school dropouts with multiple children or someone with a felony or two in the past which makes it tough to find quality employment. That being said these people may have their own apartments and might even have there own vehicles, but the payments for those things eats all of their actual income from their jobs, so the food stamps actually put food on the table that otherwise wouldn't be there. That program keeps millions from starving and I can't see how that can be considered a bad thing. 

Yusuke420

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

The people I know that recieve welfare (are we talking food stamp and cash benefits?) struggle with things day to day. Most of them work a part-time job because they are either high school dropouts with multiple children or someone with a felony or two in the past which makes it tough to find quality employment. That being said these people may have their own apartments and might even have there own vehicles, but the payments for those things eats all of their actual income from their jobs, so the food stamps actually put food on the table that otherwise wouldn't be there. That program keeps millions from starving and I can't see how that can be considered a bad thing. 

Laihendi

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

The people I know that recieve welfare (are we talking food stamp and cash benefits?) struggle with things day to day. Most of them work a part-time job because they are either high school dropouts with multiple children or someone with a felony or two in the past which makes it tough to find quality employment. That being said these people may have their own apartments and might even have there own vehicles, but the payments for those things eats all of their actual income from their jobs, so the food stamps actually put food on the table that otherwise wouldn't be there. That program keeps millions from starving and I can't see how that can be considered a bad thing. 

Ace6301

I don't think letting people die in the street because they made a few bad choices is a very healthy way to run society. It would only breed more resentment of those that do have those things and then mob mentality would take over. 

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

The people I know that recieve welfare (are we talking food stamp and cash benefits?) struggle with things day to day. Most of them work a part-time job because they are either high school dropouts with multiple children or someone with a felony or two in the past which makes it tough to find quality employment. That being said these people may have their own apartments and might even have there own vehicles, but the payments for those things eats all of their actual income from their jobs, so the food stamps actually put food on the table that otherwise wouldn't be there. That program keeps millions from starving and I can't see how that can be considered a bad thing.

Laihendi

This is all correct but people who should not have kids, DO have kids, so what is to be done if they cannot afford to take care of them?

This is all correct but people who should not have kids, DO have kids, so what is to be done if they cannot afford to take care of them?bookwormwizard

I've actually seen all those things backed up by studies to be fair.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Drasonak"] Please expand and educate me then. I am open to new information. And if you think I'm stupid for believing this, I'll have you know that many historians and professors believe exactly the same thing. I didn't come to this conclusion myself, you know.Drasonak

I don't believe you when you say you have the backing of many scholars. You surely have either fabricated that piece of information, or misunderstood (easy thing for idiots to do). You can do your own research. I'm not your professor, so I'm perfectly content to mock your ignorance instead of try to correct it.

I'm laughing, not mad. Don't conflate condescending pretension with anger, plebe.

Addendum: LOL, lai. an you count the number of jobs you've had on two hands? Or even one?

I missed you lai

[QUOTE="bookwormwizard"]This is all correct but people who should not have kids, DO have kids, so what is to be done if they cannot afford to take care of them?Drasonak

are you nuts? So if I think people should not have a kid if they cant afford to take care of a kid , I'ts cause I dont lke them? and it seems your implying I'm a racist as well because of that, your a fool, it has nothing to do with not liking people, it has everything to do with responsiblity. You don't buy a car if you can't afford one, you don't go and have a kid if you can not provide the basic needs for a child to survive and not die from starvation. Its very simple, how this concept went right over your head I will never understand.

[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] Propaganda? You did see that the people reporting the news were black. Right? I can also post multiple sources of the same exact story. It is very valid.Murderstyle75

First of all, I was mocking the ridiculous responses before they came in.Drasonak

Your pre-emptive strike did a boomerang and smacked you in the ass.

And yes, racial identity wasn't around until the 17th century. It was a way for the rich to take advantage of the poor, by giving the lower class white people some privilege to make them feel special. Before this time period, there was a religious divide in the world. When do you think racial identity started? Look up Tim Wise on YouTube. He explains it. Racism definitely wasn't always around.Drasonak

I am afraid you don't know what you are talking about. "Racism" is a belief that membership in a race predisposes one to either positive or negative traits that would not normally be seen as related to actual racial characteristics. And that has existed for millenia. You might say that State-sponsored racism had a strong resurgance in the periods after the Middle Ages and Renaissance, but even State-sponsored racism existed in many empires of the past. Since many cultures and nations were far more dedicated to a pure familial lineage than they are today, racism and nationalsim often went hand in hand.

You just sound uneducated.Drasonak

Coming from you, I'll take that as a complement.

That's not really racism, it's stereotyping.

"Americans are dumb and fat"

"Greeks are lazy"

"Germans are nazi freaks"

"French are arrogant"

"Women are bad drivers"

And so on.

Racism is when you act on this. For example, you're faced with a person of a stereotyped group and don't even given him/her the chance to prove otherwise.