Obama slams Republican 'right-to-work' legislation in Michigan

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-michigan-right-to-work-20121211,0,3401898.story

I support the right to work because you shouldnt have to join a union just to work in a certain area. I support the rights of unions but they shouldnt be taking over like this

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Don't just post a bunch of links and fish for comments. We're interested in what you have to say about it too. Start the conversation: if you can't participate in the thread, it's better for someone else to make it.

EDIT: Now go ahead and edit something useful into the OP. Then I'll leave it open.

Yeah we need to support those autoworkers that get to smoke weed and drink beer on their lunch breaks and are impossible to fire because of the unions. Good thing they aren't doing anyhting important like building cars...Oh wait. DaBrainz

Show where anything but a tiny percentage of union workers do what you suggest.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]Yeah we need to support those autoworkers that get to smoke weed and drink beer on their lunch breaks and are impossible to fire because of the unions. Good thing they aren't doing anyhting important like building cars...Oh wait. jimkabrhel

Show where anything but a tiny percentage of union workers do what you suggest.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]Yeah we need to support those autoworkers that get to smoke weed and drink beer on their lunch breaks and are impossible to fire because of the unions. Good thing they aren't doing anyhting important like building cars...Oh wait. DaBrainz

Show where anything but a tiny percentage of union workers do what you suggest.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]Yeah we need to support those autoworkers that get to smoke weed and drink beer on their lunch breaks and are impossible to fire because of the unions. Good thing they aren't doing anyhting important like building cars...Oh wait. DaBrainz

Show where anything but a tiny percentage of union workers do what you suggest.

So you are going to decry the entrie group, or every union just because of a few bad eggs? If that is your philosophy, we'd have to end every kind of group out there. Legislatures at the national and state level, where the decisions on unions are being made, also contain bad eggs, who do things on company time (i.e. using taxpayer money) that you wouldn't want to pay for.

Why don't we end Congress? There are ways to get rid of union workers who really aren't pulling their weight, or if they are violating rules. Just like we can get rid of Congressmen.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Show where anything but a tiny percentage of union workers do what you suggest.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Show where anything but a tiny percentage of union workers do what you suggest.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Show where anything but a tiny percentage of union workers do what you suggest.

jimkabrhel

So you are going to decry the entrie group, or every union just because of a few bad eggs? If that is your philosophy, we'd have to end every kind of group out there. Legislatures at the national and state level, where the decisions on unions are being made, also contain bad eggs, who do things on company time (i.e. using taxpayer money) that you wouldn't want to pay for.

Why don't we end Congress? There are ways to get rid of union workers who really aren't pulling their weight, or if they are violating rules. Just like we can get rid of Congressmen.

Do you know what Obama had for lunch today? -Sun_Tzu-

Steak and potatoes.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"] What does the percentage matter? It happened, it's documented, it's a problem. If you are a Chrysler worker you can go and get high and drunk during your lunch break and Chrysler will not be allow to fire you because of the UAW. Its disgusting and anybody that supports the UAW at this point has low moral character. DaBrainz

From the NLRB:

"More than 20 states have banned union-security agreements by passing so-called "right to work" laws. In these states, it is up to each employee at a workplace to decide whether or not to join the union and pay dues, even though all workers are protected by the collective bargaining agreement negotiated by the union."

personally i have nothing against unions ( they have some very huge positives and negatives on both sides) but i would like the option of not being forced into being into a union just to work.fl4tlined

"In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, such as right to work. It is a law to rob us of our civil rights and job rights. Its purpose is to destroy labor unions."

-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

It's sad that we're still fighting the problems of decades past.

"In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, such as right to work. It is a law to rob us of our civil rights and job rights. Its purpose is to destroy labor unions."

-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

It's sad that we're still fighting the problems of decades past.

Blue-Sky

Came in here to post this. QFT

Michigander here! Let me start off by saying that: THIS BILL SUCKS. Michigan is embarrassing itself with this crap.YoshiYogurt

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] And if Michigan signs this right to work bill into law then those auto workers will have access to that same representation from the UAW, just without having to pay any dues. -Sun_Tzu-

From the NLRB:

"More than 20 states have banned union-security agreements by passing so-called "right to work" laws. In these states, it is up to each employee at a workplace to decide whether or not to join the union and pay dues, even though all workers are protected by the collective bargaining agreement negotiated by the union."

[QUOTE="fl4tlined"]personally i have nothing against unions ( they have some very huge positives and negatives on both sides) but i would like the option of not being forced into being into a union just to work.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]Michigander here! Let me start off by saying that: THIS BILL SUCKS. Michigan is embarrassing itself with this crap.Toxic-Seahorse

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[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]Michigander here! Let me start off by saying that: THIS BILL SUCKS. Michigan is embarrassing itself with this crap.worlock77

Im glad that happened in Michigan. Unions have to much power as is.

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]I live in Michigan myself and I love this law. Giving workers the right to not join a union is only bad to one group of people, THE UNIONS. The people that makes tons of money for no reason. They negotiate bad contracts for the auto companies and get paid six figure salaries to do nothing. I shouldn't have to pay into an organization that protects bad workers and hurt companies by demanding unrealistic salaries for certain jobs just to work in a certain workplace. The UAW is strangling the auto companies, driving up the cost of cars because they think people that do unskilled jobs on the floor deserve $30/hour salaries. Why should peopel eb required to support that? The entire system is a joke. I honoestly can't understand why anyone but the union goons would be upset with this law.

Toxic-Seahorse

"In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, such as right to work. It is a law to rob us of our civil rights and job rights. Its purpose is to destroy labor unions."

-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

It's sad that we're still fighting the problems of decades past.

Blue-Sky

It's funny that MLK said stuff like that, yet some confused conservatives still think that he was a Republican. :lol:

I slam bringing politics into Gamespot

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"] Do you typically support people getting all the benefit of a group without joining and paying into that group?worlock77

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

"In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, such as right to work. It is a law to rob us of our civil rights and job rights. Its purpose is to destroy labor unions."

-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

It's sad that we're still fighting the problems of decades past.

Guybrush_3

Came in here to post this. QFT

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] It's not an individual's fault that that is how it's set up. They need to change it if they don't like it. It may not be fair to paying union members, but it shouldn't be the non union worker's concern, it's the company's and union's concern. The whole reasoning behind this bill is that you shouldn't be forced to pay a union just to work a certain job, it's criminal.mingmao3046

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"]why should the non union person have to pay for the unions? he might not even agree with what the union is doingmingmao3046

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] It's not an individual's fault that that is how it's set up. They need to change it if they don't like it. It may not be fair to paying union members, but it shouldn't be the non union worker's concern, it's the company's and union's concern. The whole reasoning behind this bill is that you shouldn't be forced to pay a union just to work a certain job, it's criminal.mingmao3046

can't they just make it so that unions only are only required to rep union members?

can't they just make it so that unions only are only required to rep union members?

coolbeans90

can't they just make it so that unions only are only required to rep union members?

coolbeans90

It's funny that MLK said stuff like that, yet some confused conservatives still think that he was a Republican. :lol:

GreySeal9

That's because they omitt the part where the Republican Party used to be the liberal party, founded by liberals to combat the southern right wing Democrats.

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] and yet they're still getting all the benefits of the union anyway. this is an indirect way to target and damage unions.Abbeten

I agree with Obama's stance; I can exactly where he comes from, and he's right. While unions have sometimes proven to limit production - or worse, essentially skim from employee wages without giving anything back like what I experienced in retail - they also do have their value. The American autoworker's unions have actually done good things; they're nowhere near as corrupt as the Ontario teacher's union and they make the jobs good.

As a Canadian who does technical support for an American company, I've learned a lot of things about American money and your economy; even if there is a lot of opportunity, everyone wants to pay minimum wage. Now, if right-to-work is imposed, it eliminates bargaining power - as your president has put it. This will weaken the union and empower the company. Given modern corporate ethics, this could prove disastrous.