MSNBC: Marijuana stops the spread of cancer and tumor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oPaSnjHawo&feature=rec-fresh

What do you guys say about this. I know there's a lot of haters so I want to know what you guys say about this, or rather, what's your spin on this?

Is there anything this plant can't do?

NO it's all lies. Smoking reefer will turn you into a commie. Frattracide

[QUOTE="Frattracide"]NO it's all lies. Smoking reefer will turn you into a commie. N8A

I've heard that THC found in marijuana kills aging cells that can turn into cancer cells, but THC has side effects. I've never heard of this "cannabadial" or whatever he called it... interesting, could give further explanation to why pot doesn't give you lung cancer.

And I hope you realize that if it's gonna be used as a medicine, they'll extract it from the rest of the compound first... don't expect to see cancer patients smoking pot in the open any time soon.

Is there anything this plant can't do?

matt_25568

I've heard that THC found in marijuana kills aging cells that can turn into cancer cells, but THC has side effects. I've never heard of this "cannabadial" or whatever he called it... interesting, could give further explanation to why pot doesn't give you lung cancer.

And I hope you realize that if it's gonna be used as a medicine, they'll extract it from the rest of the compound first... don't expect to see cancer patients smoking pot in the open any time soon.

Hungry_bunny

[QUOTE="matt_25568"]

Is there anything this plant can't do?

Rockclmbr6

No but presumably it can burn down the theatre therefore saving your life since you didn't watch it.

[QUOTE="Rockclmbr6"][QUOTE="matt_25568"]

Is there anything this plant can't do?

AtrumRegina

No but presumably it can burn down the theatre therefore saving your life since you didn't watch it.

NO it's all lies. Smoking reefer will turn you into a commie. Frattracide

No, no, reefer madness!

Quick, make like Bert the Turtle and duck and cover!

There have never been large enough studies to demonstrate that marijuana and THC have any beneficial or any harmful effects. The largest studies that I've seen have been done retrospectively for lung cancer. The studies involved individuals that have smoked tobacco and marijuana with the studies being controlled for the confounding tobacco variable. However you look at it, smoking marijuana increases your relative risk of developing lung cancer. But, those same studies have enormous confidence intervals and there are likely numerous other confounding variables.

The worst possible thing that a person can do is smoke or even barely inhale marijuana into your lungs if the substance is not filtered and pure. Your risk of developing lung cancer is probably higher for those instances that it is for smoking simple cigarettes.

Cannabis use and risk of lung cancer: a case-control study. is a recent journal publication that has some interesting conclusions.

Also, I highly doubt that you get enough THC from smoking marijuana to get any of the anti-cancer benefits of the substance.

And I hope you realize that if it's gonna be used as a medicine, they'll extract it from the rest of the compound first... don't expect to see cancer patients smoking pot in the open any time soon.

Hungry_bunny

Ok, There is a reason you can get Marijuana pills?ferrari2001

You mean Marinol?

Legalize it. Serously people die more from lung cancer caused from smoking cigs and drinking and driving and/or alcohol poisoning. In fact, I have never heard of anyone dying from O.D.'ing on too much pot.plague32390

I heard you could only od from it if you take a really big ****load of it at once, and who would do that?

[QUOTE="plague32390"]Legalize it. Serously people die more from lung cancer caused from smoking cigs and drinking and driving and/or alcohol poisoning. In fact, I have never heard of anyone dying from O.D.'ing on too much pot.megahaloman64

I heard you could only od from it if you take a really big ****load of it at once, and who would do that?

Yeah, its like 10 times your body weight.

[QUOTE="plague32390"]Legalize it. Serously people die more from lung cancer caused from smoking cigs and drinking and driving and/or alcohol poisoning. In fact, I have never heard of anyone dying from O.D.'ing on too much pot.megahaloman64

I heard you could only od from it if you take a really big ****load of it at once, and who would do that?

I've decided I'm going to do an expirement a little later in my life. I'm going to not smoke pot for a month, then go to do the doctor and see how healthy I am. Then for another month, I'm going to smoke every day, smoking the same amount of the same quality each day, then see how healthy I am.
Of course I will consider factors such as what food I eat.

[QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

[QUOTE="plague32390"]Legalize it. Serously people die more from lung cancer caused from smoking cigs and drinking and driving and/or alcohol poisoning. In fact, I have never heard of anyone dying from O.D.'ing on too much pot.needled24-7

I heard you could only od from it if you take a really big ****load of it at once, and who would do that?

I've decided I'm going to do an expirement a little later in my life. I'm going to not smoke pot for a month, then go to do the doctor and see how healthy I am. Then for another month, I'm going to smoke every day, smoking the same amount of the same quality each day, then see how healthy I am.
Of course I will consider factors such as what food I eat.

Its already been done and documented.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1111833/

Old news, they're still doing studies on it. It's interesting news and it really makes you wonder what the government was thinking when they made marijuana illegal.ChowsSN

The founders of the DEA were thinking about how much money they could make if they duped a few politicians and the ignorant population into believing pot is seriously harmful for you.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"][QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

[QUOTE="plague32390"]Legalize it. Serously people die more from lung cancer caused from smoking cigs and drinking and driving and/or alcohol poisoning. In fact, I have never heard of anyone dying from O.D.'ing on too much pot.plague32390

I heard you could only od from it if you take a really big ****load of it at once, and who would do that?

I've decided I'm going to do an expirement a little later in my life. I'm going to not smoke pot for a month, then go to do the doctor and see how healthy I am. Then for another month, I'm going to smoke every day, smoking the same amount of the same quality each day, then see how healthy I am.
Of course I will consider factors such as what food I eat.

Its already been done and documented.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1111833/

[QUOTE="ChowsSN"]Old news, they're still doing studies on it. It's interesting news and it really makes you wonder what the government was thinking when they made marijuana illegal.mikeg0788

The founders of the DEA were thinking about how much money they could make if they duped a few politicians and the ignorant population into believing pot is seriously harmful for you.

For medicine, pot is like any other drug: perfectly safe, since people are taking it under the supervision of a doctor.

For recreation, pot is just like any other drug: dangerous as hell, because people are using it for the high effects without any physical need for it.

[QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

[QUOTE="plague32390"]Legalize it. Serously people die more from lung cancer caused from smoking cigs and drinking and driving and/or alcohol poisoning. In fact, I have never heard of anyone dying from O.D.'ing on too much pot.plague32390

I heard you could only od from it if you take a really big ****load of it at once, and who would do that?

Yeah, its like 10 times your body weight.

LEGALIZE IT

[QUOTE="mikeg0788"]

[QUOTE="ChowsSN"]Old news, they're still doing studies on it. It's interesting news and it really makes you wonder what the government was thinking when they made marijuana illegal.Silvarach

The founders of the DEA were thinking about how much money they could make if they duped a few politicians and the ignorant population into believing pot is seriously harmful for you.

For medicine, pot is like any other drug: perfectly safe, since people are taking it under the supervision of a doctor.

For recreation, pot is just like any other drug: dangerous as hell, because people are using it for the high effects without any physical need for it.

[QUOTE="Silvarach"][QUOTE="mikeg0788"]

[QUOTE="ChowsSN"]Old news, they're still doing studies on it. It's interesting news and it really makes you wonder what the government was thinking when they made marijuana illegal.Big_player

The founders of the DEA were thinking about how much money they could make if they duped a few politicians and the ignorant population into believing pot is seriously harmful for you.

For medicine, pot is like any other drug: perfectly safe, since people are taking it under the supervision of a doctor.

For recreation, pot is just like any other drug: dangerous as hell, because people are using it for the high effects without any physical need for it.

Those with a license can decide how much they take under a certain limit that they cannot surpass, with filters and equipment they can use to reduce the harm of the pot use. They must also check in with their doctors on a regualr basis, and can be arrested if they are caught with pot but no license. Kind of like prescribed Xanax. Those who take it without a license have no such limit.

I work in psychopharmacology; I am quite aware of the effects of pot, thank you.

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[QUOTE="-Karmum-"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]br0kenrabbit

No, but those who use it regularly lose function of their lungs as much as 20 years faster than tobacco smokers.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080123104017.htm

It follows that if marijuana stops cancer cells, then it wouldn't cause lung cancer.

There have never been large enough studies to demonstrate that marijuana and THC have any beneficial or any harmful effects.

drj077

Selective memory, I see...there has been numerous studies. But you're right about the lack of REAL studies showing harmful effects...most of those were negative propoganda. But what about the video in the link? And there's more to follow...

And what strikes me as being even more peculiar....why are you so quick to try and discredit your own colleagues? I've been here for years, under a different username, and I remember in the past as well when any thread would pop up concerning possible beneficial effects of cannabis, you'd always jump in to try and silence the discussion. I'm wondering, did you try cannabis and have a bad experience with it or something? What's with the agenda? I'm all for agendas with a purpose, like when I speak out against the ACTUAL harm that religions have caused us throughout history...but a flower? C'mon man, what happened?

But MOST IMPORTANTLY, study or not, the reports that come back from the patients themselves that consistently claim that cannabis has worked wonders for them, those hold the most weight of all. Unless you honestly think all these sick people are just a bunch of stoners "just trying to get their weed".

The largest studies that I've seen have been done retrospectively for lung cancer. The studies involved individuals that have smoked tobacco and marijuana with the studies being controlled for the confounding tobacco variable. However you look at it, smoking marijuana increases your relative risk of developing lung cancer. But, those same studies have enormous confidence intervals and there are likely numerous other confounding variables.

The worst possible thing that a person can do is smoke or even barely inhale marijuana into your lungs if the substance is not filtered and pure. Your risk of developing lung cancer is probably higher for those instances that it is for smoking simple cigarettes. drj077

The latests studies have shown that cannabis stops the growth of cancer cells in the lungs, and that people who smoke cannabis are actually less likely to get lung cancer than those who don't even smoke at all! Although, I'd imagine that vaporization is obviously the safest choice.

Cannabis use and risk of lung cancer: a case-control study. is a recent journal publication that has some interesting conclusions.

drj077

Who published it? Is it biased? I'd like to see some of this study...do you have any links to excerpts, or could you post some?

Also, I highly doubt that you get enough THC from smoking marijuana to get any of the anti-cancer benefits of the substance.

drj077

Ask a cancer patient what it has done for them. You might be suprised. It's not just the THC either, it's all the other cannabinoid compounds as well. For a doctor, or someone who's soon to be one, you seem to be pretty naive on the subject. But I'm not worried, a couple of naysayers aren't going to stop anything. This herb is a wonderous medicine, and it's benefical uses will be revealed and proven in full, very soon. The haters will have no choice but to either humbly accept the facts and stop trying to demonize a helpless little flower, or keep living in denial.

In closing, I'd just like to remind everyone that our brains are equipped with cannabinoid receptors. We are specifically built for interaction with substances that carry cannabinoids. It's as if we were meant to use them. Whether we evolved that way (to need them), or we were designed that way by a higher power (for all you religious types), it seems as if humans and cannabis were meant to be a part of each other. (So for people who believe in god, it wouldn't be a far-fetched idea that god created humans to interact with this plant, not only because of the receptors we have, but also considering how many positive effects it has on so many different ailments in so many different people. It must be that way for a reason, don't you think? Remember, cannabis was outlawed to protect government-backed industries, not our health.) I know for a fact, personally, that EVERY SINGLE TIME I use cannabis, I feel like it's something that human beings were meant to use. Something about it just feels right, and to not have it, we would be living with a deficiency...like having a vitamin deficiency, we'd be less healthy without it.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"][QUOTE="-Karmum-"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]Silvarach

No, but those who use it regularly lose function of their lungs as much as 20 years faster than tobacco smokers.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080123104017.htm

It follows that if marijuana stops cancer cells, then it wouldn't cause lung cancer.

Ironically, people who believe propoganda lose their ability to think for themselves 20 times faster than people who don't. :roll:

I'd say come back and talk after you've had personal experience. This article doesn't even take into account filtered smoke by way of waterpipes, or vaporization. Sure, unfiltered smoke will leave quite a build up of tar, but most smokers are aware of this anyway. It's a personal choice to begin with, but more and more users are becoming educated to the fact that not only do you not have to smoke cannabis to receive it's benefits, but even if you do smoke it, there are many different and effective ways of filtering the smoke and therefore minimizing any potential harm.

I use it regularly, and have been for a decade and a half...my lungs are still at full capacity. I have no trouble breathing at all. Cannabis is a bronchodial dialator, meaning it expands the lungs upon contact. Vaporized cannabis is actually a FANTASTIC method of alleviating the debilitating effects of asthma, just like one of those little inhalers that asthma sufferers always carry around.

I've heard that THC found in marijuana kills aging cells that can turn into cancer cells, but THC has side effects. I've never heard of this "cannabadial" or whatever he called it... interesting, could give further explanation to why pot doesn't give you lung cancer.

And I hope you realize that if it's gonna be used as a medicine, they'll extract it from the rest of the compound first... don't expect to see cancer patients smoking pot in the open any time soon.

Hungry_bunny

most carsonegenics are held in the tar so i guess canabis dosn't have any tar in it

I think they should leagalize it, it solves a good number of medical problems, relieves stress and it's not hurting anyone except possibly the smoker

[QUOTE="matt_25568"]

Is there anything this plant can't do?

Rockclmbr6

OH SNAP!

if we all smoked dope enough people wouldn;t die every year and the population crisis would occur even sooner!inyourface_12

This is actually true! :lol:

well, let's consider the source. MSNBC is not really a trusted news source really. From what i see of it, the TV station at least has a clear bias, it seems like it's head over heels for Obama and is very liberal biased, so i'm not surprised if they make up a fake story. Besides MSNBC's motto is "the place for politics"- or as i say, the place with a political agenda.whipassmt

I don't trust any "stations" in particular, but those doctors in the video are not lying. Also, it's not like this was the only station that reported this, on top of all the other reports about the benefits of cannabis, that have been aired on numerous other stations, websites, and newspapers. Cannabis is a genuine medicine.

But I know it will be hard to reverse the years and years of brainwashing that we've undergone in this country (that is, if you live in the U.S.). It's definately hard to break a train of thought that we've gotten used to for so long. But it's a fact, cannabis is NOT what they say it is. Seriously, just look at it. It's just a damn flower-bearing plant. It just happens to carry some compounds that happen to have noticable effects on a human, when consumed by the human. I don't see how that's an evil thing, especially when the effects are not lethal, or even close to it. It's definately not something we need "big brother" to protect us from.

And for everyone who would say, "if pot was legal, we'd have a nation of potheads, and our economy would go down the drain.", well, just think...let's say alcohol was illegal, and our whole lives we were told that it was dangerous, evil, and would lead to our downfall...then one day some group of "crazies" decides to try and push for it's legalization, based on our human right to consume whatever substances we choose as long as we do not harm others...all of the same people who said the previous statement about cannabis, would be saying the same thing about alcohol - "if alcohol becomes legal, we'll have a nation of drunks and we would have disaster. We can't allow this to happen." All of this of course being based upon the education they had received earlier. But see, alcohol already is legal, more dangerous than cannabis ever could be, and we're still doing fine as a nation. Therefore, any substances that are less harmful than alcohol, would also not destroy our nation, by logical default. So the theory that legalized cannabis would destroy us, is completely invalid.

NO it's all lies. Smoking reefer will turn you into a commie. Frattracide

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