Most non-Americans would go Democrat/Green, NOT Republican/Libertarian

Most non-Americans don't like the Republican/Libertarian party. They wouldn't like the whole manifest destiny/American exceptionalism idea. Yes there are Democrats/Greens who believe in it, but not as strongly as the Republicans/Libertarians.

Yeah. Most countries are more liberal than the US and as such the Republicans would be the last party I suspect they'd pick.

And many non-Americans hate America, not much of a shocker many would hate the parties that are mostly patriotic and defending of the constitution (Ehhh, thats a little debatable for the Republican party lol)

Most other countries suck, so who cares?

Damn straight.

That's not really saying much when the US politics are slanted incredibly right, the main Democrat candidate was more or less a glorified Republican in most areas.

US, 14th in Education, 19th in national satisfaction, 44th in health care efficiency, 7th in wireless broadband subscriptions, 101st in peace (according to global peace index), 1st in incarceration rates, 13th in homosexuality acceptance, 23rd in gender equality, 33rd in internet download speeds, 26th in child well being, 24th in literacy, 17th in happiness, 16th in manufacturing compensation, 9th in retirement security, 10th in economic freedom. Seems to me there are a lot of countries that have an advantage on us.

How many countries have you lived in or even visited?

@perfect_blue: @ferrari2001:

- "The U.S. is the world’s largest producer of oil and natural gas, it is the second largest trading nation in the world, the second largest manufacturer, the largest and most influential financial markets, and the highest trained and most skilled labor market in the world. In essence the U.S. dominates economically over any other country."

- "Although citizens and residents of the United States account for only 5% of the world’s population, the United States accounts for nearly 20% of the world’s GDP" (Which brings great economic influence)."

- Not to mention our overbloated military budget, can most likely end the world anytime we'd want to. (The U.S. military has more funding each year the next 10 most funded countries combined!)

- "Hollywood, the music industry, fine arts, theatre, you name it; people around the world consume American culture because our entertainment industry is well established, well-funded, and of a high quality."

- Back to back world war champions

- Almost every major tech company started here (Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft), and even Youtube (before it was bought by google). This makes a significant portion of the services you use online American innovated. Not to forget Xbox (Ew, more of a PS4 fan anyways

- The OS you're probably using (Windows/Mac) is innovated by an American,

- The best universities are here (All the ivies, MIT, UoC, UC Berkeley, Stanford etc.), of course there is Oxbridge but US universities consistently rank in the top of world rankings.

- The US constitution which inspired classical liberalism and other countries to follow suit, (Mexico etc.)

- The Internet as we know it today first started being developed in the late 1960's in California in the United States,

- The digital camera, ethernet, the electric light bulb, the microwave oven, the GPS, defibrillator paddles, hearing aids, lasers, chemotherapy, video games (Yes even VGs), email, and the first computer ever were all created by Americans.

- The US has about 70 olympic medals, 26 which are gold which implies we supply the world with the greatest athletes.

- The US also has provided the greatest leaders the world has ever seen in times of crisis (FDR, Ronald Reagan, Abraham Lincoln, it goes on and on)

Source: http://gazettereview.com/2016/01/most-powerful-countries-in-world/

That isn't to say the US doesn't have its problems (Racial issues, crumbling infrastructure, sociopathic politicians, corporatism etc. etc.)

The US can easily be considered one of, if not the greatest country in the world off of its economic, political and military influence alone and that disregards about 70% of that list.

All of those things you've listed are easily overshadowed by the mere influence off the US alone. If the USA wanted to it could end the entire world in the press of a button. So yes, its obviously the greatest and if not at-least in the top 5 sitting with China, Russia, UK, and Japan/Germany.

@n64dd: So yes, obviously the US is the greatest. The USA can literally destroy the planet.

@ferrari2001:

No way!!! Who has the fastest internet speed then?!!!

South Korea, our internet in the US is overpriced and incredibly slow. It's what happens when a few select companies have a monopoly on internet service.

And government doesn't dare breaking those monopolies...

Yep, normally we have monopoly laws but these aren't your typical monopolies. Instead of one business taking over all internet service the companies that exist have just agreed to only compete in certain marketplaces, that way they don't appear to be monopolies when they really are. It's why most markets only have one or two providers for internet. They've also lobbied governments making it illegal for towns and cities to set up their own internet infrastructure, then people have no choice but to get screwed.

@perfect_blue: I've been to almost all of Europe, Japan, Hong Kong, a lot of south america, netherlands, and most of the west side of canada and ontario. Part of my job is doing contract work internationally to make sure systems are secure. What about you?

Never been to Asia but I've lived in Europe and visited a lot of countries. Now living in Canada and been to the US a few times. Cool country but I prefer others I've been to.

1. We are.

2. The US can literally nuke all those countries into oblivion.

After the way the DNC has lied to minorities, I don't think anyone smart enough would want to vote for them. But then again all politicians are corrupted and they slide their dicks down our throats and we thank them for it.

Most non americans wouldnt likely go for any of our parties.

Most non-Americans are in a hell hole.

How can politicians agree to something like this?

Wondering why I should care

Seems to me that, most likely, a lot of these non-Americans live under the security provided by America

money, influence, power...you name it.

Let's say a politician is up for re-election, and an ISP want's in on his district. They offer to set up a few towns (especially rural ones) with internet via an "exclusive contract brought to you buy your congressmen and the great folks at __________ internet, he gets a few thousand more votes, and they get exclusive rights on new territories.

It's a win-win-lose

Wow. You converted me man. Now excuse me while I show these meaningless facts to those in poverty and in debt because of rising education and healthcare costs. That'll convince them!

The British Empire was the greatest for its time. And now it's not. If you can't take care of your own people, then something is going to break.

Nobody is repressed from voting. What are you talking about? Even illegal aliens are allowed to vote. Thats why the left panders to them.

Lies.

By European standards:

Democrats (progressive wing) - center-left

Democrats (Obama camp) - center

Democrats (Clinton camp) - center-right

Republicans (traditional wing) - far-right

Republicans (Trump camp) - extreme right

How about people take care of themselves and start taking accountability. IMO it is never the Government's job to take care of others, rather its the individuals job to take care of themselves. (Except for the obvious scenarios, infrastructure, etc.)

On top of that, everything in that list factually makes the US a dominant world super power. Which gives me every right to call it the greatest if not, one of the best countries on Earth.

Person gets cancer and is denied healthcare coverage because of "pre-existing conditions." She can't go to any hospital without insurance. What now?

A person loses their job and can't find a job anywhere. He's trying hard but no success. He needs a temporary solution. What now?

A person is driving but gets into a collision at no fault of his own. He needs care but can't because he's black. We're back in time to the 1960s and he lives in the south. He's trying to get care but can't. What now?

A person's house is on fire but has no fire insurance (he's poor) and has no way to pay for it. the Private Fire Co. refuses to come. He's now homeless. What now?

Your mother is choking. Private EMS Co. comes in and demands payment. You pay. She's now in cardiac arrest. You yell "help her!" Private EMS Co. does the Heimlich maneuver. You yell, "What are you doing!?" Private EMS Co. says they need additional payment to provide cardiac arrest care. You do that. She's dead. You try to sue. Turns out you don't have any cash to purchase a lawyer. What now?

Our country has great qualities but saying it's a dominant super power doesn't take away that we do have real problems related to healthcare and education. And saying it's the individual's responsibility ignores the complexities of life itself. Not everything is simple and not everything is accomplished through being accountable. We've seen great civilizations come and go and our country is no exception.

In other words, shit happens. I suggest you read this article: LINK Also, the British Empire, Persian Empire, and the Roman Empires were all once great powers. Look where they stand. Also, what you're suggesting is a false correlation. We've had generous subsidies and welfare during the 1960s and 70s when we were at the height of our power. We still had problems but to say that full-fledged capitalism is the reason why we're successful is false.

@LJS9502_basic: Most DEVELOPED countries, and even then countries like China/Japan/Korea/Russia are pretty conservative. Not to mention populist parties in Europe are gaining just as much ground, like they did in the UK (Brexit for example), as they have here in the US.

When you move on to developing countries, thats another story.

Ah... When they forget who they actually serve.

@drunk_pi: And I said the US has its problems.

And its still a dominant world power on the global stage that will maintain relevance for quite some time. Its in the top 5 countries in the world in terms of economic, entertainment, GDP, military, athletic, innovative and political value.

Which makes it one of if not, the greatest country on Earth. Sure theres problems, like any other country. Doesn't negate the fact that its a dominant superpower though.

This is a victim mentality, of course life will throw unexpected things your way. That is life.

Get over it and do the best you can, relying on the Government creates dependency and doesn't foster innovation.

The "deal with it and pull yourself up by your bootstraps" response to individual events is often misguided but understandable to a degree if you intend to use it as a stimuli to urge yourself or another to do what they can to better their own situation.

It is stupid as **** to use it as a policy prescription for macro trends and large scale events - I think we can come to an agreement on this, even.

Surely, for example, during a large recession such as the one in 2008 or the Great Depression in the early 20th century your preferred economic policy would not be to shout at everyone to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps," correct? Surely such significant shocks are moments when tailored fiscal and monetary policy are called for, right?

Big government is a proven failure. Even in recessions and depressions: (For example jobs programs).

"But such programs cannot reduce unemployment any more than the Depression-era programs did. The unemployment rate was higher in 1939—despite millions of workers placed in government jobs by the Roosevelt administration—than it was in 1.931 on the eve of President Roosevelt’s election.

The reason why government jobs programs cannot create jobs is straightforward: Even though the programs may “create” jobs for some workers, the resources to pay for the programs must be extracted from the private sector. Taxing the private sector reduces its ability to create jobs, so, at best, government jobs programs can only alter the composition of employment, not the total volume.

Indeed, there is much evidence that government jobs programs not only do not create jobs; they actually eliminate them. For instance, in 1982 the Wharton Econometric Forecasting Associates estimated that a government jobs program proposed during that year would cause a net reduction of 20,000 jobs. In another study of the same program, Nobel Laureate economist Milton Friedman forecast that as many as 100,000 jobs would be lost by that particular government “job creation” program."

In essence, big government in recessions don't work and the historical data/basic logic of free market economics prove that. This isn't to discredit FDR btw (Who is a man of great character) these are just the facts.

Source: https://fee.org/articles/why-government-jobs-programs-destroy-jobs/

Austrian School? Well, this conversation is going to go nowhere. I respectfully bow out as I'm not interested in traversing the "why the Austrian School isn't respected" argument again.

I stand corrected. That is not something we will agree on after all.

Like these people? LINK Because they were on welfare but according to lolbertarianism logic 101, they should be dependent on welfare or something.

Not many can get over it and not many can do the best by themselves. There's nothing wrong with helping others and there's certainly nothing wrong with our government helping those in need lift themselves out of poverty.

You didn't answer my questions which are and some potentially real scenarios. You have a very skewed view of life and think it's just easy. It's not. I use to think like you but then hung out with people whose lives were filled with hardship every day because they had to pay bills but in addition pay for college but for them to do so, they had to work two jobs which conflicted with schooling. You have people paying off medical bills left and right because of a condition they had to treat immediately. And you have the ability to tell them to "get over it?"

It's not a victim mentality. It happens and sometimes you can't get over it by yourself. Our country has always had a welfare system in place and it certainly didn't hamper innovation. Instead, you're seeing people who can't get the opportunities they want because they lack the money needed and thus a disconnect. You have the elite getting the education and those in poverty unable to. You have the middle class who's barely scraping by, who's doing their best.

Can't say I always agree with the man but when he's right he's right. Props man, props.

And they worked hard and got out. So? If anything that link is proof capitalism works, not the welfare system you're purporting.

Your link just disproved that. Those famous people got out.

I donate to charity and do community service all the time. What does this have to do with help dude?

Thats an opinion.

Its called a 1099c. If these people can't pay it gets deducted from their income from the IRS when it gets written off. Pretty easy.

And I've lived poor and have done community service in a communist country. So? At-least I'm not applying my life to this like you and asserting it as a fact.

Kinda is IMO.

Actually liberalism is a pretty western concept. And most popular in europe.

Hell, just look at how strong of a foothold the hindutva movement has in india. Or how strong of a factor religious fundamentalism and tribalism has in various african countries and middle east. Look at Liberia, a libertarian nation.

Using left vs right usually doesnt work that way either. Due to left and right having different ideas on a country to country basis. And even if we were to apply the US spectrum to the left and right, the US would be fairly centrist in the grand scheme of things.

Going green is exceptionally idiotic.

That is correct the Democrats are the Santa Clauses of the country they give them everything for free and the rest of us have to pay for it. So why wouldn't they vote Democratic, maybe that explains our twenty trillion deficit. The Democrats/Greens only believe in free hand outs with no way to pay for it except complaining the rich are not paying their fair share when they pay for everything. The Democrats have the Midas Touch everything they touch turns to crap.

As opposed to the Republican's handing out corporate welfare like it's candy and we have to pay for it. I mean forget Robin Hood....it's take from the poor and give to the rich.

Eh. They all have their pros and cons.

I'll make my own party, with blackjack and hookers!

You just said that welfare creates dependency. Those people who were on welfare were dependent on the government for a time until they got out of it.

You don't know my view on welfare. I'm not suggesting dependency for life but rather that social programs have their place in society because people do need a leg up but also sometimes it's cheaper for the government to pay for social programs rather than let the private market do its thing. Hint, we've had subsidized college during the 1970s which allowed much more affordable college during the time until education cuts.

And that 1099c that you suggested? It's doesn't allow you to get off scott-free completely. And even then, that's the government helping the taxpayer.

Again, none of this is a "victim mentality."

It does.

Because they chose to work hard. Has little to do with welfare. I don't hate those on welfare, I hate those that abuse the system.

Of course if we had it my way it'd be cut to its smallest denominator. (Still leaving some room for it, I wouldn't abolish it).

Lol okay.

You're right and I shouldn't be subjected to pay for it. I think you're making the dangerous assumption that just because I don't want to pay through govt doesn't mean I don't want to help people.

The government gives a way out to the taxpayer in 1099c, in letting them pay back their income on a timely basis. Barely help, since its coming from the citizen's pocket.

We're not even talking about this lol. Also so? Literally the best colleges in the countries are private schools (Literally all the Ivy leagues besides cornell, MIT, Caltech, Stanford etc.)

Privatization gives people incentive, and makes people want to dominate. There is a reason why everything around you (What you're typing on, the OS you're using, the water you're drinking, the clothes you're wearing and your house are all products of capitalism).

Lol no. Liberalism spawned out of Europe. If anything its a european concept (John Locke, Voltaire etc. etc.)