Metal and why it's a bad genre

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#1 aaronmullan
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Metal is a loved genre among millions of people. But is it really that good? Well, the simple answer here is no. It's not. Every genre and sub-sub-sub-sub genre (yeah they're that pretentious they have that many genres) may sound different, but inside those genres all the bands sounds almost exactly the same. Dealing with the same riffs, lyrics and vocal styles.

Take Death Metal for example. It's just some really low riffs and some deep growls with lyrics about death and killing people. No band has ever changed this structure in all the years it has existed. Metal has no innovation.

Black metal, thrash metal, progressive metal, etc all suffer from this same problem. Discuss on whether you agree or disagree with me.

Again, let me make it clear I'm not saying all metal sounds the same, I'm saying all metal in their respective sub genres sound the same.

Let it be noted that I don't hate metal. I find a few select bands to be okay. I classify it as real music and I respect everyones opinion.

Here's influential metal at its finest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aIhh9nFYv4

Here's some horrible copies and rip offs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMh-iXnkH18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VBdAY8eA9w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F7a5Ph-CCc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JblFx1aXpeU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6WyMSqZ_X0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxoIpfW8ESg&feature=related

It's literally just noise.

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#2 scarecrowM
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i disagree 100%.

the bands you posted are garbache and their is way more crap bands in "metal" than good, but there are also bands that are just amazin.

So i really dont you can clasify "metal" like this.

so TC no i do not agree at all

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#3 cybrcatter
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Different strokes for different folks.
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#4 scarecrowM
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this is a extremly fan fav progressive/harcore "metal" band.

here

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I don't understand how you can call that music. my 2 year old niece bangs **** together and screams and I don't call that music, let alone something aesthetically good.
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Preparing for a +10 page ****storm in T-minus 10, 9, 8...
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#7 SideSwipes
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*Looks at Black Sabbath*

LOL, no.

*Looks at AC/DC*

LOL, no.

*Looks at Iron Maiden*

LOL, no

*Looks at Motorhead*

LOL, no

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#8 aaronmullan
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I don't understand how you can call that music. my 2 year old niece bangs **** together and screams and I don't call that music, let alone something aesthetically good.Jazz_Fan
Agreed 100%. It really sounds exactly like that if you ask me.
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This isn't going to end well..
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#10 scarecrowM
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Metal is a loved genre among millions of people. But is it really that good? Well, the simple answer here is no. It's not. Every genre and sub-sub-sub-sub genre (yeah they're that pretentious they have that many genres) may sound different, but inside those genres all the bands sounds almost exactly the same. Dealing with the same riffs, lyrics and vocal styles.

Take Death Metal for example. It's just some really low riffs and some deep growls with lyrics about death and killing people. No band has ever changed this structure in all the years it has existed. Metal has no innovation.

Black metal, thrash metal, progressive metal, etc all suffer from this same problem. Discuss on whether you agree or disagree with me.

Here's some horrible metal as examples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMh-iXnkH18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VBdAY8eA9w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXHtl1HrvvY&playnext=1&videos=S4RRyKb19G8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F7a5Ph-CCc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JblFx1aXpeU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6WyMSqZ_X0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxoIpfW8ESg&feature=related

It's literally just noise.

aaronmullan

every band you posted would be considered dark metal or death metal. that is way difft, than every other sub-genre of metal.

So you can stop posting that trash anytime today and maybe make a point?

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#11 ScreamDream
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Metal uses more power chords than let's say for example, classical music. So it makes it different. Does that make it bad? No, it sounds better that way through Marshall amps to metal fans.

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#12 AfterBurnerZ
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Yeah, I never cared for Metal. I don't understand how someone can listen to garbage like Rob Zombie unless they're being tortured.

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Oh, you. ;)
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Metal is a loved genre among millions of people. But is it really that good? Well, the simple answer here is no. It's not. Every genre and sub-sub-sub-sub genre (yeah they're that pretentious they have that many genres) may sound different, but inside those genres all the bands sounds almost exactly the same. Dealing with the same riffs, lyrics and vocal styles.

Take Death Metal for example. It's just some really low riffs and some deep growls with lyrics about death and killing people. No band has ever changed this structure in all the years it has existed. Metal has no innovation.

Black metal, thrash metal, progressive metal, etc all suffer from this same problem. Discuss on whether you agree or disagree with me.

Here's some horrible metal as examples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMh-iXnkH18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VBdAY8eA9w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aIhh9nFYv4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F7a5Ph-CCc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JblFx1aXpeU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6WyMSqZ_X0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxoIpfW8ESg&feature=related

It's literally just noise.

aaronmullan

[140810 16:03:16] aaronmullan God I have an itch to troll OT or SW now

[140810 16:03:21] aaronmullan Who's up for it?

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#15 Barbariser
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I agree. Metal music does not expand its boundaries, which indicates a lack of creativity - and we all know that most important ingredient in any kind of art. Its appeal merely lies in the supposed masculinity of the music.

Oh, and don't look at my avatar.

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Yeah, I never cared for Metal. I don't understand how someone can listen to garbage like Rob Zombie unless they're being tortured.

AfterBurnerZ
Agreed completely. Rob Zombie can't make a piece of music to save his life.
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LOL I just noticed you included Megadeth, Black Sabbath and Dream Theater in there. THAT'S just noise to you? Holy crap man... What, do you headbang to Celine Dion?
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this is a extremly fan fav progressive/harcore "metal" band.

here

scarecrowM

but he still sounds like a pig with a cut throat how is it different?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3uxhesiKgE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE8EMWxuZB0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DVC6F0Mw-4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9qc3YbusfQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84aIX8UPklI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKJcUW4PXbU&feature=related

Rammstein and Nightwish would like to have a word with you.

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I thought you liked metal. :?
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#21 aaronmullan
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LOL I just noticed you included Megadeth, Black Sabbath and Dream Theater in there. THAT'S just noise to you? Holy crap man... What, do you headbang to Celine Dion?D_Battery
Why would I head bang to Celine Dion? Head banging is such a brutish thing. Why ruin your own neck?
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#22 Espada12
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I am going to to say this is sarcasm. Either way I got a 3rd thread to use this pic in.

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#23 scarecrowM
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[QUOTE="scarecrowM"]

this is a extremly fan fav progressive/harcore "metal" band.

here

killerkool07

but he still sounds like a pig with a cut throat how is it different?

because somepeople like them, like myself.

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#24 D_Battery
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[QUOTE="D_Battery"]LOL I just noticed you included Megadeth, Black Sabbath and Dream Theater in there. THAT'S just noise to you? Holy crap man... What, do you headbang to Celine Dion?aaronmullan
Why would I head bang to Celine Dion? Head banging is such a brutish thing. Why ruin your own neck?

Okay, definitely a troll thread now. :P
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I wonder if anyone is going to look at your last.fm and notice something.... fishy about this. :P

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#26 chessmaster1989
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*looks at your last.fm, sees a bunch of metal* lol go figure.
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I wonder if anyone is going to look at your last.fm and notice something.... fishy about this.Guppy507
I don't have last.fm. :|
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#28 scarecrowM
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you know you got me all worked up for nothing, thanks alot! tc...

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#29 cametall
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You listed Megadeth, Black Sabbath, and Dream Theater as bad? You sir, should not be entitled to an opinion.
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#30 SideSwipes
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I am going to to say this is sarcasm. Either way I got a 3rd thread to use this pic in.

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#31 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="Guppy507"]I wonder if anyone is going to look at your last.fm and notice something.... fishy about this.aaronmullan
I don't have last.fm. :|

Aaaand this thread's getting locked any minute now... *waits for it*

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#32 aaronmullan
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*Looks at Black Sabbath*

LOL, no.

*Looks at AC/DC*

LOL, no.

*Looks at Iron Maiden*

LOL, no

*Looks at Motorhead*

LOL, no

SideSwipes
Would you mind explaining why they're so great and different from the rest in that genre?
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#33 scarecrowM
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You listed Megadeth, Black Sabbath, and Dream Theater as bad? You sir, should not be entitled to an opinion.cametall

couldn't agree more Megadeth is one of my all time fav bands, and dream theater is just amazing.

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#34 deactivated-5c8e4e07d5510
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After listening to all those songs you posted, I totally agree. That was the worst excuse for music I've ever heard. Every song was exactly the same. It's amazing how people think it takes talent to pound on their guitars and scream into the mic. :|
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[QUOTE="ToppledPillars"][140810 16:03:16] aaronmullan God I have an itch to troll OT or SW now [140810 16:03:21] aaronmullan Who's up for it?

niec; niec.
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#36 AfterBurnerZ
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Users posting stuff like "LOL no" and "lololol you can't have an opinion lololol" aren't any better than the TC.

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#37 scarecrowM
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[QUOTE="SideSwipes"]

*Looks at Black Sabbath*

LOL, no.

*Looks at AC/DC*

LOL, no.

*Looks at Iron Maiden*

LOL, no

*Looks at Motorhead*

LOL, no

aaronmullan

Would you mind explaining why they're so great and different from the rest in that genre?

DUDE iron maiden is world-wide known band that have been around forever and still are amazing and making music and not to mention they have 3 guitarists and there all amazing and they make it work, which is extremely impressive.

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#38 aaronmullan
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After listening to all those songs you posted, I totally agree. That was the worst excuse for music I've ever heard. Every song was exactly the same. It's amazing how people think it takes talent to pound on their guitars and scream into the mic. :|Guppy507
What do you think of Porcupine Trees more metal sound lately? I'm sad they're taking that direction.
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#39 SideSwipes
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[QUOTE="SideSwipes"]

*Looks at Black Sabbath*

LOL, no.

*Looks at AC/DC*

LOL, no.

*Looks at Iron Maiden*

LOL, no

*Looks at Motorhead*

LOL, no

aaronmullan

Would you mind explaining why they're so great and different from the rest in that genre?

You stated that all metal sounds the same and that there is no innovation within the genre. The list I posted proves you wrong.

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Users posting stuff like "LOL no" and "lololol you can't have an opinion lololol" aren't any better than the TC.

AfterBurnerZ
Indeed. I'd like some people to just talk and converse with me.
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[QUOTE="ToppledPillars"][140810 16:03:16] aaronmullan God I have an itch to troll OT or SW now [140810 16:03:21] aaronmullan Who's up for it?BAHAHAHAHAHA
niec; niec.

Awww why even spoil it? Hell why make a new account to spoil it!

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#42 aaronmullan
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="SideSwipes"]

*Looks at Black Sabbath*

LOL, no.

*Looks at AC/DC*

LOL, no.

*Looks at Iron Maiden*

LOL, no

*Looks at Motorhead*

LOL, no

SideSwipes

Would you mind explaining why they're so great and different from the rest in that genre?

You stated that all metal sounds the same and that there is no innovation within the genre. The list I posted proves you wrong.

No, I said the bands within each sub-genre sound the same. All death metal bands sounds the same, all black metal sound the same, etc. Metal as a whole sounds quite different.
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#43 BAHAHAHAHAHA
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God, Iron Maiden are cra-
not to mention they have 3 guitaristsscarecrowM
Oh man, they're GENIUSES; I was wrong to think anything less of them.
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#44 aaronmullan
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="SideSwipes"]

*Looks at Black Sabbath*

LOL, no.

*Looks at AC/DC*

LOL, no.

*Looks at Iron Maiden*

LOL, no

*Looks at Motorhead*

LOL, no

scarecrowM

Would you mind explaining why they're so great and different from the rest in that genre?

DUDE iron maiden is world-wide known band that have been around forever and still are amazing and making music and not to mention they have 3 guitarists and there all amazing and they make it work, which is extremely impressive.

Yes, but to me they sound like every other power meta/heavy metal band. What makes them innovative?
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#45 cybrcatter
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="Guppy507"]I wonder if anyone is going to look at your last.fm and notice something.... fishy about this.chessmaster1989

I don't have last.fm. :|

Aaaand this thread's getting locked any minute now... *waits for it*

He just removed his last.fm link :lol:
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#46 scarecrowM
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God, Iron Maiden are cra- [QUOTE="scarecrowM"]not to mention they have 3 guitaristsBAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh man, they're GENIUSES; I was wrong to think anything less of them.

this seems like sarcasm, i could be wrong?

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#47 chessmaster1989
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Heh... now you've removed your last.fm from your sig...

In other news some people in this thread are getting trolled hard...

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#48 SideSwipes
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[QUOTE="SideSwipes"]

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"] Would you mind explaining why they're so great and different from the rest in that genre?aaronmullan

You stated that all metal sounds the same and that there is no innovation within the genre. The list I posted proves you wrong.

No, I said the bands within each sub-genre sound the same. All death metal bands sounds the same, all black metal sound the same, etc. Metal as a whole sounds quite different.

The topic title says "Metal and why it's a bad genre" not "Sub genres and why they sound the same".

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#49 scarecrowM
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[QUOTE="scarecrowM"]

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"] Would you mind explaining why they're so great and different from the rest in that genre?aaronmullan

DUDE iron maiden is world-wide known band that have been around forever and still are amazing and making music and not to mention they have 3 guitarists and there all amazing and they make it work, which is extremely impressive.

Yes, but to me they sound like every other power meta/heavy metal band. What makes them innovative?

Honestly i have never heard a band that sounds like them...

care to list them?

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#50 XD4NTESINF3RNOX
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This thread will not end well.... I love metal