Where has Hi Def dissapeared to? haven't heard much from him since his premise was found to be highly flawed.
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According to that, a perfect being cannot be unhappy. It just sounds... wrong.
it also cannot be happy...it wouldnt experience emotion at all, because emotions are responses to new experiences
You don't feel happy when doing something good for the second time?
According to that, a perfect being cannot be unhappy. It just sounds... wrong.
it also cannot be happy...it wouldnt experience emotion at all, because emotions are responses to new experiences
You don't feel happy when doing something good for the second time?
if the being is perfect and knows everything, it couldnt possibly have a reaction to an event it saw coming an infinite amount of time beforehand
Those are all human ideas though.
....and so is god.......
And your proof?
According to that, a perfect being cannot be unhappy. It just sounds... wrong.
it also cannot be happy...it wouldnt experience emotion at all, because emotions are responses to new experiences
You don't feel happy when doing something good for the second time?
if the being is perfect and knows everything, it couldnt possibly have a reaction to an event it saw coming an infinite amount of time beforehand
If it perceives all time at once, it can feel however it likes about any given event in time.
Where they came from has no bearing on the discussion. Also, Asians have multiple religions. I'm assuming that you're talking about the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Islam, Christianity), which are of Asian origin.
lol it has a lot to do with it but okay... i can see you haven't look back far away enough in history there is not point of debating ....
If not Asia, where did these belief systems originate?
i never said it didnt originate from there....
On what do you base the assumption that I have not looked back enough?
everything you just quickly popped in Wikipedia and saw those religions
I didn't pop anything into Wikipedia. WTF are you on about?
suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.... you didnt ... your just mad because you got busted !
Well...I didn't, but OK. Even if I did, that does not change the fact that Europeans were not the first to put these belief systems into their own words.
i never said they were the first.... of course they put it in their own words... because that what is has originated from....
Then you should understand that the Europeans did not "destroy" the "original religion." That religion had already been destroyed by the Asians.
No sir, and they weren't called asians thats why i misunderstood you
but i dont feel like explaining because it that means i would have to type a lot there more then just what your thinking maybe you should study
I have a problem with the 'God has always existed'. A mathematical problem. If God existed for an eternity before the Universe was created, and eternity means infinity, then that means there was an infinite amount of time before creation. Let's call that pre-creation infinity. That being the case, creation would be an end to pre-creation infinity, and by definition infinity has no end.
And point besides why would it take an infinity for God to decide to create the universe? And why would he create the universe after an infinity of being just fine without it?
Time was compressed like the sorcerous in Final Fantasy 8 wanted to do. Obviously.
I know I butchered the word sorcerous but i'm to lazy to spell check it
Where they came from has no bearing on the discussion. Also, Asians have multiple religions. I'm assuming that you're talking about the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Islam, Christianity), which are of Asian origin.
lol it has a lot to do with it but okay... i can see you haven't look back far away enough in history there is not point of debating ....
If not Asia, where did these belief systems originate?
i never said it didnt originate from there....
On what do you base the assumption that I have not looked back enough?
everything you just quickly popped in Wikipedia and saw those religions
I didn't pop anything into Wikipedia. WTF are you on about?
suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.... you didnt ... your just mad because you got busted !
Well...I didn't, but OK. Even if I did, that does not change the fact that Europeans were not the first to put these belief systems into their own words.
i never said they were the first.... of course they put it in their own words... because that what is has originated from....
Then you should understand that the Europeans did not "destroy" the "original religion." That religion had already been destroyed by the Asians.
No sir, and they weren't called asians thats why i misunderstood you
but i dont feel like explaining because it that means i would have to type a lot there more then just what your thinking maybe you should study
Who weren't called Asians?
"maybe you should study"
Maybe you should make an effort to support your claim.
the people that you are calling asian wasnt consider asian.....
asia wasn't called asia
africa wasnt called africa
i should but im not because i cant help if you dont know what i know
Where they came from has no bearing on the discussion. Also, Asians have multiple religions. I'm assuming that you're talking about the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Islam, Christianity), which are of Asian origin.
lol it has a lot to do with it but okay... i can see you haven't look back far away enough in history there is not point of debating ....
If not Asia, where did these belief systems originate?
i never said it didnt originate from there....
On what do you base the assumption that I have not looked back enough?
everything you just quickly popped in Wikipedia and saw those religions
I didn't pop anything into Wikipedia. WTF are you on about?
suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.... you didnt ... your just mad because you got busted !
Well...I didn't, but OK. Even if I did, that does not change the fact that Europeans were not the first to put these belief systems into their own words.
i never said they were the first.... of course they put it in their own words... because that what is has originated from....
Then you should understand that the Europeans did not "destroy" the "original religion." That religion had already been destroyed by the Asians.
No sir, and they weren't called asians thats why i misunderstood you
but i dont feel like explaining because it that means i would have to type a lot there more then just what your thinking maybe you should study
Who weren't called Asians?
"maybe you should study"
Maybe you should make an effort to support your claim.
the people in asia... because asia wasnt called asia..... but okay
When was it not called Asia? What time period are you talking about here?
Anyway, simply because some isn't called X doesn't mean that they aren't X.
sigh... you asking me questions just proves you do not even know the basics
Where they came from has no bearing on the discussion. Also, Asians have multiple religions. I'm assuming that you're talking about the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Islam, Christianity), which are of Asian origin.
lol it has a lot to do with it but okay... i can see you haven't look back far away enough in history there is not point of debating ....
If not Asia, where did these belief systems originate?
i never said it didnt originate from there....
On what do you base the assumption that I have not looked back enough?
everything you just quickly popped in Wikipedia and saw those religions
I didn't pop anything into Wikipedia. WTF are you on about?
suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.... you didnt ... your just mad because you got busted !
Well...I didn't, but OK. Even if I did, that does not change the fact that Europeans were not the first to put these belief systems into their own words.
i never said they were the first.... of course they put it in their own words... because that what is has originated from....
Then you should understand that the Europeans did not "destroy" the "original religion." That religion had already been destroyed by the Asians.
No sir, and they weren't called asians thats why i misunderstood you
but i dont feel like explaining because it that means i would have to type a lot there more then just what your thinking maybe you should study
Who weren't called Asians?
"maybe you should study"
Maybe you should make an effort to support your claim.
the people in asia... because asia wasnt called asia..... but okay
When was it not called Asia? What time period are you talking about here?
Anyway, simply because some isn't called X doesn't mean that they aren't X.
just stop it... im not going to go on and on because its clear its things you do not know
Where they came from has no bearing on the discussion. Also, Asians have multiple religions. I'm assuming that you're talking about the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Islam, Christianity), which are of Asian origin.
lol it has a lot to do with it but okay... i can see you haven't look back far away enough in history there is not point of debating ....
If not Asia, where did these belief systems originate?
i never said it didnt originate from there....
On what do you base the assumption that I have not looked back enough?
everything you just quickly popped in Wikipedia and saw those religions
I didn't pop anything into Wikipedia. WTF are you on about?
suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.... you didnt ... your just mad because you got busted !
Well...I didn't, but OK. Even if I did, that does not change the fact that Europeans were not the first to put these belief systems into their own words.
i never said they were the first.... of course they put it in their own words... because that what is has originated from....
Then you should understand that the Europeans did not "destroy" the "original religion." That religion had already been destroyed by the Asians.
No sir, and they weren't called asians thats why i misunderstood you
but i dont feel like explaining because it that means i would have to type a lot there more then just what your thinking maybe you should study
Who weren't called Asians?
"maybe you should study"
Maybe you should make an effort to support your claim.
the people in asia... because asia wasnt called asia..... but okay
When was it not called Asia? What time period are you talking about here?
Anyway, simply because some isn't called X doesn't mean that they aren't X.
sigh... you asking me questions just proves you do not even know the basics
Then just answer the question, that's how conversations work.
ill answer your question... go study !
Who weren't called Asians?
"maybe you should study"
Maybe you should make an effort to support your claim.
the people in asia... because asia wasnt called asia..... but okay
When was it not called Asia? What time period are you talking about here?
Anyway, simply because some isn't called X doesn't mean that they aren't X.
sigh... you asking me questions just proves you do not even know the basics
Then just answer the question, that's how conversations work.
ill answer your question... go study !
That's not an answer. You can't make a claim and then lay the burden of proof on others. That's not how intelligent people communicate.
replying to a question is an answer
studying is a solution to solving a problem in most cases ... its an answer.. but its not an answer you wanted ....
im not going to go to the basics with you on gamespot it will take too long
@blutfahne:
But big bang is a theory there is no fact really to back up the claim. They say the universe is speeding up and expanding(I did read though they say it was slowing down) because of big bang. But they cannot find big bang origin, outer rim of universe etc etc. They base all math off speed of light but then I read speed of light barrier can be broken. The math does not remain constant. They cannot plot the known universe as we know it, they cannot understand many things in our known universe but yet you think they know the creation of the universe lol many things on earth they don't even understand.
Just to momentarily interject:
Do not confuse the colloquial meaning of "theory" with the scientific use of the word. Within science, a theory is the highest level of certainty which a concept can reach.
To expand on what Above says, the Earth Revolving around the Sun is a Theory,but its not doubted by anyone of sane mind and accepted as fact.
Ok well make sure to interject with nonsense and also make sure to tie in proven scientific fact with unproven scientific theory.
shut the hell up, you know nothing. god is so far ahead and beyond you that your brain will never comprehend him.
@blutfahne:
But big bang is a theory there is no fact really to back up the claim. They say the universe is speeding up and expanding(I did read though they say it was slowing down) because of big bang. But they cannot find big bang origin, outer rim of universe etc etc. They base all math off speed of light but then I read speed of light barrier can be broken. The math does not remain constant. They cannot plot the known universe as we know it, they cannot understand many things in our known universe but yet you think they know the creation of the universe lol many things on earth they don't even understand.
Just to momentarily interject:
Do not confuse the colloquial meaning of "theory" with the scientific use of the word. Within science, a theory is the highest level of certainty which a concept can reach.
To expand on what Above says, the Earth Revolving around the Sun is a Theory,but its not doubted by anyone of sane mind and accepted as fact.
Ok well make sure to interject with nonsense and also make sure to tie in proven scientific fact with unproven scientific theory.
You really need to look up the definition of a scientific theory
Who weren't called Asians?
"maybe you should study"
Maybe you should make an effort to support your claim.
the people in asia... because asia wasnt called asia..... but okay
When was it not called Asia? What time period are you talking about here?
Anyway, simply because some isn't called X doesn't mean that they aren't X.
sigh... you asking me questions just proves you do not even know the basics
Then just answer the question, that's how conversations work.
ill answer your question... go study !
That's not an answer. You can't make a claim and then lay the burden of proof on others. That's not how intelligent people communicate.
replying to a question is an answer
studying is a solution to solving a problem in most cases ... its an answer.. but its not an answer you wanted ....
im not going to go to the basics with you on gamespot it will take too long
"replying to a question is an answer"
So is "your mom is a cheeseburger" an answer to the question "what is 1+1?"? Don't be silly.
Anyway, you can't make a claim and then lay the burden of proof on others. That's not how intelligent people communicate.
not it just im tired explaining stuff you should already know if your going to talk about a topic like this your should know your history ...
You are basing your proof on several premises not just one. These are your premises:
1. Every action is for a reason or purpose. (You have not proven this and it isn't as obvious)
2. All reasons and purposes are either needs or desires. (You have not proven this and it isn't as obvious)
3. God is perfect. (You would have to define perfection very precisely and make everyone agree with that defiition).
I think those are the most evident ones but I'm sure there are other suppositions that will invalidate your logical system.
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