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#1  Edited By indzman
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On FIFA WC 2014 a belgian fan by name of Axelle Despiegelaere lost Loreal modelling contract for a hunting pic on her facebook profile.

Isn't hunting animals considered sports ? Kill for food ? Or is it crime nowadays ? Can one be arrested on hunting animals like deer or birds ?

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#3  Edited By bforrester420
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Neither sport nor crime if you ask me.

Hunting for pleasure, in my opinion, is disgusting. There's something wrong with a modern human that takes pleasure in killing something for reasons other than self-defense...I can even understand but not condone revenge. Hunting for sustenance is okay.

You can be arrested, in some countries, for killing an animal on the endangered species list.

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@thegerg said:

It depends.

???

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#6  Edited By SaintLeonidas
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It is never a crime unless the local laws say it is. Now, if you are asking if it is right or wrong morally, then well it depends. Are they hunting for fun? Just to say they killed ___ animal and can stuff the head for their wall? In that case I think it is wrong. However, I have no problem if they are hunting because they NEED food; or if the population of the animal they are hunting has grown too large and needs to be thinned out.

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@bforrester420 said:

Neither sport nor crime if you ask me.

Hunting for pleasure, in my opinion, is disgusting. There's something wrong with a modern human that takes pleasure in killing something for reasons other than self-defense...I can even understand but not condone revenge. Hunting for sustenance is okay.

You can be arrested, in some countries, for killing an animal on the endangered species list.

Agree with this.

I despise hunting for sport or pleasure, there is no need for it and it should be illegal everywhere.

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@bforrester420 said:

Neither sport nor crime if you ask me.

Hunting for pleasure, in my opinion, is disgusting. There's something wrong with a modern human that takes pleasure in killing something for reasons other than self-defense...I can even understand but not condone revenge. Hunting for sustenance is okay.

You can be arrested, in some countries, for killing an animal on the endangered species list.

That sums it up.

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#10  Edited By deactivated-5b797108c254e
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@thegerg said:

How can one be arrested for doing something that is not a crime?

He did say "if you ask me", meaning it's his opinion, which doesn't mean that there aren't laws that say differently.

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#12  Edited By bforrester420
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@thegerg said:

@bforrester420 said:

Neither sport nor crime if you ask me.

...

You can be arrested, in some countries, for killing an animal on the endangered species list.

How can one be arrested for doing something that is not a crime?

Because killing an animal on the endangered species list is a crime. At least in the country we reside. Hunting, in general, is not a crime. I could have added that hunting an animal out of season is also a crime, but that's getting too specific to a general question.

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#13  Edited By indzman
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@thegerg said:

@korvus said:

@thegerg said:

How can one be arrested for doing something that is not a crime?

He did say "if you ask me", meaning it's his opinion, which doesn't mean that there aren't laws that say differently.

Hunting certainly is, in may cases, a crime. He can say that the sky, if you ask him, is green. That doesn't mean that he's right. It's kind of silly to give an answer that you know to be wrong if you're asked.

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#14  Edited By SaintLeonidas
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@thegerg said:

@korvus said:

@thegerg said:

How can one be arrested for doing something that is not a crime?

He did say "if you ask me", meaning it's his opinion, which doesn't mean that there aren't laws that say differently.

Hunting certainly is, in may cases, a crime. He can say that the sky, if you ask him, is green. That doesn't mean that he's right. It's kind of silly to give an answer that you know to be wrong if you're asked.

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@indzman said:

@thegerg said:

It depends.

???

Depends on the animal, time of year, place they're hunting

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#16  Edited By deactivated-5b797108c254e
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@thegerg said:

@korvus said:

@thegerg said:

How can one be arrested for doing something that is not a crime?

He did say "if you ask me", meaning it's his opinion, which doesn't mean that there aren't laws that say differently.

Hunting certainly is, in may cases, a crime. He can say that the sky, if you ask him, is green. That doesn't mean that he's right. It's kind of silly to give an answer that you know to be wrong if you're asked.

This is one of the few times I disagree with you. Yes, I believe hunting endangered species is stupid and uncalled for, since it serves no real purpose but that doesn't mean everyone cares about endangered animals and therefore considers it a crime. It's a matter of opinion and morals, not a fact. It is fact that it is considered crime, but whether it should or not is an opinion. Plus, the color of the sky is nor here nor there as a comparison.

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If hunting is so fun, they should offer themselves to be the hunted now and then. That'd even things out in my book.

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@thegerg: Ok, let me make this simple for you. With "Neither sport nor crime if you ask me." he meant "Some people consider it sports, I don't. Some places consider it crime, I wouldn't." Seriously Greg, I have no idea why you keep trying to look less intelligent than I know you are. It doesn't look good on you...you normally have good arguments, but when you get stuck into "100% literal reading, no room for interpretation" you go from being one of the best people to argument in these forums to one of the most obnoxious.

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#22  Edited By Mercuria1_King
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Hunting is a sport but can be turned criminal if the laws of hunting aren't followed.

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@SolidSnake35 said:

If hunting is so fun, they should offer themselves to be the hunted now and then. That'd even things out in my book.

I'd watch it =P

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@korvus: you normally have good arguments, but when you get stuck into "100% literal reading, no room for interpretation" you go from being one of the best people to argument in these forums to one of the most obnoxious.

I think you give the man too much credit. His arguments are always 100% literal interpretation. I've never seen the guy argue any other way.

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@lostrib said:

@indzman said:

@thegerg said:

It depends.

???

Depends on the animal, time of year, place they're hunting

Killing a Lion or Tiger is a crime ya ? They endangered species but they kill and hunt humans when neccessary, what laws say on that ?

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@thegerg said:

@korvus said:

@thegerg: Ok, let me make this simple for you. With "Neither sport nor crime if you ask me." he meant "Some people consider it sports, I don't. Some places consider it crime, I wouldn't." Seriously Greg, I have no idea why you keep trying to look less intelligent than I know you are. It doesn't look good on you...you normally have good arguments, but when you get stuck into "100% literal reading, no room for interpretation" you go from being one of the best people to argument in these forums to one of the most obnoxious.

The issue is that the act of hunting involves so many variables that a simple "yes" or "no" type answer to OP's question, or a simple "yes" or "no" opinion on the matter, really isn't sufficient as it can't address the totality of the question. The fact that he recognizes that hunting is, in may cases, a crime shows us that. I'm just saying that he is contradicting himself in his answer.

Ok, now I understand what you're trying to say, although I think we read his answer differently. I took it as meaning "it is a crime, but I don't agree it should be", which it would be his opinion; a lot of people don't agree with certain laws =)

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Generally, hunting endangered species shouldn't be allowed unless it is necessary for a person's survival (or of course if they have to defend themselves). Hunting for food is something that people have done for millennia, nothing wrong with that, though nowadays most of us, at least those in developed countries, do not need to hunt. Also a big purpose of modern hunting in the U.S. is too keep the population of certain animals under control, for instance deer (which kill more people than any other animal in the U.S. because they run out in front of cars).

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@indzman said:

@lostrib said:

@indzman said:

@thegerg said:

It depends.

???

Depends on the animal, time of year, place they're hunting

Killing a Lion or Tiger is a crime ya ? They endangered species but they kill and hunt humans when neccessary, what laws say on that ?

Wow, really?

Those animals act on instinct and surely don't do it for "fun". And when was the last time you saw a tiger in full camouflage hanging out in a tree with a scoped rifle waiting for humans to show themselves so it can take the killshot?

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#31  Edited By indzman
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@thegerg said:

@indzman said:

@lostrib said:

@indzman said:

@thegerg said:

It depends.

???

Depends on the animal, time of year, place they're hunting

Killing a Lion or Tiger is a crime ya ? They endangered species but they kill and hunt humans when neccessary, what laws say on that ?

"Killing a Lion or Tiger is a crime ya ?"

It depends.

I really get confused with your vauge answers , no offense. Please explain in detail when you explain something . What depends ???

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#34  Edited By indzman
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@jasean79 said:

@indzman said:

@lostrib said:

@indzman said:

@thegerg said:

It depends.

???

Depends on the animal, time of year, place they're hunting

Killing a Lion or Tiger is a crime ya ? They endangered species but they kill and hunt humans when neccessary, what laws say on that ?

Wow, really?

Those animals act on instinct and surely don't do it for "fun". And when was the last time you saw a tiger in full camouflage hanging out in a tree with a scoped rifle waiting for humans to show themselves so it can take the killshot?

If a lion or tiger becomes injured , they become manhunters (target humans). If you kill a manhunter , would you be punished ?

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HUNT FOOD = GOOD

HUNT SPORT = BAD

THREAD STOOPID

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@indzman said:

@jasean79 said:

@indzman said:

@lostrib said:

@indzman said:

@thegerg said:

It depends.

???

Depends on the animal, time of year, place they're hunting

Killing a Lion or Tiger is a crime ya ? They endangered species but they kill and hunt humans when neccessary, what laws say on that ?

Wow, really?

Those animals act on instinct and surely don't do it for "fun". And when was the last time you saw a tiger in full camouflage hanging out in a tree with a scoped rifle waiting for humans to show themselves so it can take the killshot?

If a lion or tiger becomes injured , they become manhunters (target humans). If you kill a manhunter , would you be punished ?

That's different. If the animal is provoked it will attack (in most cases). If it's an endangered species, and someone is responsible for provoking it, then yes it is still a crime on the human, not the animal. In rare cases when the animal just goes nuts and attacks at random, then no, the person is not at fault for killing it.

Like in the US...if a bear attacks someone, rangers will put it down regardless.

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#37 indzman
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@jasean79 said:

@indzman said:

@jasean79 said:

@indzman said:

@lostrib said:

@indzman said:

@thegerg said:

It depends.

???

Depends on the animal, time of year, place they're hunting

Killing a Lion or Tiger is a crime ya ? They endangered species but they kill and hunt humans when neccessary, what laws say on that ?

Wow, really?

Those animals act on instinct and surely don't do it for "fun". And when was the last time you saw a tiger in full camouflage hanging out in a tree with a scoped rifle waiting for humans to show themselves so it can take the killshot?

If a lion or tiger becomes injured , they become manhunters (target humans). If you kill a manhunter , would you be punished ?

That's different. If the animal is provoked it will attack (in most cases). If it's an endangered species, and someone is responsible for provoking it, then yes it is still a crime on the human, not the animal. In rare cases when the animal just goes nuts and attacks at random, then no, the person is not at fault for killing it.

Like in the US...if a bear attacks someone, rangers will put it down regardless.

Yep, thats what i was asking . Even if a endangered species attacks humans and humans kill it , its no crime then.

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#38  Edited By deactivated-5b797108c254e
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@thegerg said:

I see. If that's the case then I think he should look closer at the reasons behind the laws in place to outlaw certain hunting practices. Sometimes hunting can be detrimental to the sustenance of healthy animal populations, and it only makes sense to have measures in place to prevent hunting.

Agreed =)

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It's a crime if what is being hunted is hunted out of season and without the proper paperwork/licenses.

The crime is poaching.

Hunting is both a sport and a source of food for many people. It's also one of the oldest modes of living.

@indzman said:

Killing a Lion or Tiger is a crime ya ? They endangered species but they kill and hunt humans when neccessary, what laws say on that ?

Only if you don't get a license to hunt one.

And they do give them out.

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I don't like sharks!

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@indzman: "Isn't hunting animals considered sports ? Kill for food ? Or is it crime nowadays ? Can one be arrested on hunting animals like deer or birds"

I don't think hunting is a sport, but more of a hobby, I might be wrong.

I certainly don't agree with hunting a wild animal just for a trophy or a photo with your catch.

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If you're going to eat the animal and if its not an endangered species then call it whatever you want I don't care as it would be fine with me in all situations and circumstances. With that said, if you hunt animals just to pose next to their dead bodies then you're a fuckturd.

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As long as it's not endangered/protected and you eat it, then I don't have any problem with it.

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it's food

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#46  Edited By jasean79
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@xeno_ghost said:

I don't think hunting is a sport, but more of a hobby, I might be wrong.

It's hard to call hunting a "sport" when the competition's only defense is to FLEE!

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@jasean79:

Yeah, that would be some messed up role-play :S

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@indzman said:

@thegerg said:

It depends.

???

Their are examples in which a non native species (on land or in water) has been introduced and it has fucked things up with the new species dominating the habitat. It makes logical sense to kill off as many as possible.

Likewise here in Scotland, we use to have Wolves. But, we killed them off a long time ago. These predators would ordinarily help keep populations in check, so creatures like deer have no cap.

You just get things like Hares as well that rapidily breed. Much of the time when I take my doggy a walk I see a man walking round with a beam flashlight and a dog. This is to startle the hare so the dog can rip the little fuckers throat out.

Which then consequently leads to a nice stew.

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@Sword-Demon said:

As long as it's not endangered/protected and you eat it, then I don't have any problem with it.

I've always found it weird how people somehow treat hunting as okay as long as the animal is eaten. The way it's typically presented, the argument for eating the animal revolves around killing it out of necessity. But that's sort of an outdated concept. In a world in which so many people have an overabundance of food (to the point where we have an obesity epidemic), I don't think it any longer necessarily follows that killing an animal and eating it is necessary. What if you're obese and already eat too much meat? Furthermore, if you're rich enough to travel halfway around the world in order to go on safari, then chances are that you're well-fed and can afford to switch over to a vegetarian diet.You can kill an animal and then eat it afterwards, but isn't that still just as much of an unnecessary death as if someone had shot that same animal and then just collected the head as a trophy?

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For some strange reason I thought you was going to ask about GTAV hunting animals lol.