If you had an intersex child

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#1 voluptuoushrewd
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Intersex -is a general term used for a variety of conditions in which a person is born with a reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn't seem to fit the typical definitions of female or male.

If you had an intersex child, would you raise them to be a "him" or a "her" by feeding them hormones or would you allow them to decide on their own when they feel that they are ready?

If you decide for them, would you ever tell them that they were born "differently"?

Most importantly, if you found out that your child would be born with this "condition" within the earlier trimesters, would you proceed to have the child or get an abortion? Please consider society today and think about the future of the child if others may find out that he/she was born intersexual. Keep in mind that your current location and your current financial state is vital.

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#2 no_more_fayth
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i'm not a woman, so i can't have an abortion.

if my hypothetical girlfriend was pregnant,

i would let her choose between having it or getting aborted.

and if she kept it,

i would definitely raise the child, because it would be mine.

we would probably raise the baby as a girl.

but she should be able to choose once she is mentally capable of making decisions like that.

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#3 Aquat1cF1sh
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I'd let them decide... Actually I'd probably go with whatever anatomy was "more" present on the baby.
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#4 btaylor2404
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Love them as I do my other children and let them decide.
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#5 Nifty_Shark
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I wasn't aware this was actually a true "condition". Do they stay like that or do most choose a gender later in life? I wouldn't want to be both a girl and a guy.
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#6 tekken220
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Raise him/her despite that condition.
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#7 jimmyjammer69
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Surgery, exorcist and conditioning from birth.
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#8 conistant
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This wont end well.
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#9 Born_Lucky
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DNA

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#10 spazzx625
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I'd love to say I would let the kid decide, but there are going to be a few years where the kid won't be able to decide. I guess I would try to push as much androgyny as I could until they were able to make the choice, but that doesn't seem like the right way to go about it either. I would think they would like to identify with some gender (even if it's the "wrong" one for them) rather than no gender or both genders.
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#11 Ceraby
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I'd let the child decide, when I feel that the time is right. I'd raise it using no pinks or blues and give it both male and female toys. I'd observe it's behavior and reactions to things usually associated with one gender or the other.

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#12 Im_single
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I'd raise... It as a girl probably, and love her the same as any child.
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#13 StrawberryHill
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I would eat the child, then try again.

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#14 Zerocrossings
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Flip a coin.

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#15 JayneDee
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Let them decide; considering my own circumstances...
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#16 grape_of_wrath
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Love them as I do my other children and let them decide.btaylor2404
A bit problematic don't you think? At what age do you do the surgery,then? leaving it to be the child's decision is capable to leave him with emotional damage for the rest of his life. Myself,I would try to get the doctors to make a choice dependant on the gender the kid is more leaning towards. I'll wait even as long as a year to be able to find out.If it's still undecided- I would choose a boy. LIfe is harder for a gender amigious girl more so than a boy.
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#17 MarioFan264
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Let them figure out which gender they identify as.

It's not or anybody else's right to do otherwise.

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#18 HybridPhoenix
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let them choose. I've seen too many case studies of instances where parents would raise the kid in one direction and as the kid got older they were extremely awkward, and unsure of how they fit in with things..feeling that they're more like the opposit sex and finding themselves attracted to the same sex, but worse because nothing ever feels right or natural to them. They just don't feel right in their bodies.
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#19 entropyecho
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If the baby is unborn, I would support the mother's decision of whether or not to go through with an abortion. If the child is born, I would have to seek the counsel of a few doctors before making a decision.

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#20 MarioFan264
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I would choose a boy. LIfe is harder for a gender amigious girl more so than a boy.grape_of_wrath

What makes you say that?

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#21 grape_of_wrath
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[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]I would choose a boy. LIfe is harder for a gender amigious girl more so than a boy.MarioFan264

What makes you say that?

One of the most important social attributes for girls are their looks,less so in guys. A feminine guy will,actually, sometimes be considered handsome or pretty-that's not the case with girls. Just my 2 cents.
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#22 MarioFan264
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[QUOTE="MarioFan264"]

[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]I would choose a boy. LIfe is harder for a gender amigious girl more so than a boy.grape_of_wrath

What makes you say that?

One of the most important social attributes for girls are their looks,less so in guys. A feminine guy will,actually, sometimes be considered handsome or pretty-that's not the case with girls. Just my 2 cents.

I don't know about that. Especially when we start talking about gender identity (which is a big thing here.), if you force them to be a boy then they might grow up and identify as a girl, and trust me the societal problems are quite heavy towards males feeling that they are females. For one thing cross-dressing is a lot more acceptable among females than it is males.

If you chose for them to be a boy and they grew up identifying as that way everything would be fine, but it wouldn't always turn out that way with an intersexed child.

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#23 Nintendevil
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That's assuming I wanted kids, but I probably would go with abortion.

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#24 rawsavon
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Things like this (combined with a plethora of other reasons) is why I am glad I am not having children...what kind of ****** up choice is that to have to make

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#25 zidan4000
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i will have the doctors to fix the baby to whatever gender the baby tilts to , if it is more female than male then make it female and vice versa . and i'am not gonna tell the child about it as it is gonna do nothing but to harm him/her psychologically , even if it grows up.
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#26 jalexbrown
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XX or XY - problem solved.
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#27 Quadster
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I'd let my child decide which gender they most identify with, obviously not an immediate thing, but i'd respect their decisions. I just wish this species would just stop basing everything to do with gender roles and social cues off of what they believe to be the work of some mysterious deity figure.
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#28 rawsavon
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I just wish this species would just stop basing everything to do with gender roles and social cues off of what they believe to be the work of some mysterious deity figure.Quadster

It is a LOT more complicated than that...
-it involves a lot of psychology that most people here would not care to listen to. But the short version is that humans are cognitively lazy, and we do not like things that make us 'think' or have to actively try and categorize

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#29 MarioFan264
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XX or XY - problem solved.jalexbrown

Maybe, but not always.

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#30 muller39
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Tough question TC, I don't know what I would do.

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#31 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]XX or XY - problem solved.MarioFan264

Maybe, but not always.

How not? You've got to fall under one or the other, and that's solely what defines your gender.
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#32 MarioFan264
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[QUOTE="MarioFan264"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]XX or XY - problem solved.jalexbrown

Maybe, but not always.

How not? You've got to fall under one or the other, and that's solely what defines your gender.

No, XX or XY does not alway determine one's gender. It determines one's sex most of the time, yes, but not always gender identity.

In intersexed people more than the rest you can not rely on such things. You have to realize that only the child knows what their true gender is.

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#33 spazzx625
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You have to realize that only the child knows what their true gender is.

MarioFan264
Right, but what happens until they can decide for themselves? Parents can't just wait and see, some sort of gender association is inevitable from birth on. DNA testing will at least give parents a path to safely choose.
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#34 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="MarioFan264"]

You have to realize that only the child knows what their true gender is.

Right, but what happens until they can decide for themselves? Parents can't just wait and see, some sort of gender association is inevitable from birth on. DNA testing will at least give parents a path to safely choose.

That was my thought. What do you do til they decide...gender neutral everything (not possible) What happens when they enroll in school or daycare -this 'let the kid decide' is like communism (only great in theory)
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#35 quadraleap
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Now that I have been exposed to this I will probably have a child like that with the messed up unit I was with for the last couple of years and recently have had contact with but if that ever came to pass I would gradually let the child in on the deal at an early age and teach them that the world is full of people that are different in many ways and love them regardless. /run on sentence.
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#36 MarioFan264
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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="MarioFan264"]

You have to realize that only the child knows what their true gender is.

rawsavon

Right, but what happens until they can decide for themselves? Parents can't just wait and see, some sort of gender association is inevitable from birth on. DNA testing will at least give parents a path to safely choose.

That was my thought. What do you do til they decide...gender neutral everything (not possible) What happens when they enroll in school or daycare -this 'let the kid decide' is like communism (only great in theory)

Communism? lol.

You can try to identify them as one of the genders for their early childhood, and it might be true, but it won't always be. That's all I'm saying here.

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#37 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="MarioFan264"]

Maybe, but not always.

MarioFan264

How not? You've got to fall under one or the other, and that's solely what defines your gender.

No, XX or XY does not alway determine one's gender. It determines one's sex most of the time, yes, but not always gender identity.

In intersexed people more than the rest you can not rely on such things. You have to realize that only the child knows what their true gender is.

Well...what I'm saying is that I would raise them in accordance with their biological sex. This seems logical enough to me.
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#38 spazzx625
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You can try to identify them as one of the genders for their early childhood, and it might be true, but it won't always be. That's all I'm saying here.

MarioFan264
Well, obviously, it's a coin toss, essentially. It's an educated guess (and a strong one) with DNA testing, though.
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#39 MarioFan264
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[QUOTE="MarioFan264"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] How not? You've got to fall under one or the other, and that's solely what defines your gender.jalexbrown

No, XX or XY does not alway determine one's gender. It determines one's sex most of the time, yes, but not always gender identity.

In intersexed people more than the rest you can not rely on such things. You have to realize that only the child knows what their true gender is.

Well...what I'm saying is that I would raise them in accordance with their biological sex. This seems logical enough to me.

Well just as long as you let them go with the gender they identify as when they get to the point where they're clearly able to tell it.

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#40 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="MarioFan264"]

No, XX or XY does not alway determine one's gender. It determines one's sex most of the time, yes, but not always gender identity.

In intersexed people more than the rest you can not rely on such things. You have to realize that only the child knows what their true gender is.

MarioFan264

Well...what I'm saying is that I would raise them in accordance with their biological sex. This seems logical enough to me.

Well just as long as you let them go with the gender they identify as when they get to the point where they're clearly able to tell it.

I never understood this concept - why would someone identify with a gender that isn't their biological sex?
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#42 needled24-7
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i'd make them be whatever gender the rest of their body looks like.

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#43 MarioFan264
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[QUOTE="MarioFan264"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Well...what I'm saying is that I would raise them in accordance with their biological sex. This seems logical enough to me.jalexbrown

Well just as long as you let them go with the gender they identify as when they get to the point where they're clearly able to tell it.

I never understood this concept - why would someone identify with a gender that isn't their biological sex?

It has something to do with hormones and the brain, I think.

There's a lot of variations. Besides I think you should be aware that intersex babies won't always have a clear XX or XY DNA.

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#44 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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I wouldn't be in this situation to begin with...

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#45 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="MarioFan264"]

Well just as long as you let them go with the gender they identify as when they get to the point where they're clearly able to tell it.

MarioFan264

I never understood this concept - why would someone identify with a gender that isn't their biological sex?

It has something to do with hormones and the brain, I think.

There's a lot of variations. Besides I think you should be aware that intersex babies won't always have a clear XX or XY DNA.

I've never heard of anyone not having XX or XY DNA. I suppose DNA is capable of mutation, but transgender seems more like a development issue than a genetic one.
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#47 Gallion-Beast
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Well what exactly does the kid look like on the outside. A penis and a vagina? Is that possible? If they only have the external genitals of one gender than I'd pretty obviously go with that gender.
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#49 Pixel-Pirate
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I'm rather startled at how many people would want to abort a child that was intersexed. Really?

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#50 Snipes_2
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I'd love to say I would let the kid decide, but there are going to be a few years where the kid won't be able to decide. I guess I would try to push as much androgyny as I could until they were able to make the choice, but that doesn't seem like the right way to go about it either. I would think they would like to identify with some gender (even if it's the "wrong" one for them) rather than no gender or both genders.spazzx625
Yeah, That's a good point actually.