If an unstoppable force meets an immovable object, what happens?

if plausible i think that if they do collide nothing would happen they would just be pushing on eachother and nothing happens. or it coulbe a catastrophy of catastrophic proportionskonvikt_17

ya thats wut i think.. if its either though it would go on forever.. they would either push against each other forever or there would be a never ending expanding explosion forever

[QUOTE="brandontwb"]The unstoppable force meets the immovable object and they stay together. The universe shifts to the same speed as the unstoppable moving object. The unstoppable force has not changed speed to the observer; it is still moving. The immovable force is staying in the same position because the universe, it's reference point is going the same speed, and keeping the immovable object in the same position. They are moving, but not moving. Problem solved.carrot-cake

The unstoppable force is reflected off the immovable object. The force continues on and the object remains.SunofVich

but then that meens that unstoppable force is stoppable concidering it had to bounce off and move off course

[QUOTE="thriteenthmonke"]Religion ThreadsKikouken

im guessing that once they meet its starts a never ending transfer of energyHookedOnKiLLing

[QUOTE="Kikouken"][QUOTE="thriteenthmonke"]Religion Threads-KinGz-

Anyway, thanks TC... I've now got this track (along with accompanying creepy youtube video) stuck in my head. Antidote, anyone?

In the question of the Unstoppable Force meeting the Immovable Object, you can only come to a conclusion of who would when by knowing the character's clas and specialization...

Yes, I just made a World of Warcraft joke...

this can be tested in world of warcraft as both items exist ( unstoppable force is a crappy grey mace and immovable object is a shield) and nothing happens.nimatoad2000

Actually, "the unstoppable force" was originally a 2-hand mace of epic quality, which granted the weilder a % chance to physically knock back the opponent, making him/her fly into the air in a backwards motion. Obviously they removed this unique trait, since there were too many ways to exploit this knockback-effect. The immovable object, again of epic quality, granted the weilder immunity to all knockback-effects, again, of obvious reasons they removed this unique trait. When i duelled a person who had the immovable object equipped, it negated my unstoppable force - thus making the immovable object the victor of that power struggle.

To get back to the topic, there is no such thing as an "unstoppable force" in the world of metaphysics, unless you specifically define the traits of what makes up the unstoppable force. If you do not define the specifics, the unstoppable force actually has the same qualities as the immovable object, for the unstoppable force needs the traits of the immovable object to actually be an unstoppable force. I deem this question irrelevant, since it is formulated by abstract terminology.

The universe divides by 0. And then there is nothingGuybrush_3

The unstoppable force meets the immovable object and they stay together. The universe shifts to the same speed as the unstoppable moving object. The unstoppable force has not changed speed to the observer; it is still moving. The immovable force is staying in the same position because the universe, it's reference point is going the same speed, and keeping the immovable object in the same position. They are moving, but not moving. Problem solved.brandontwb

The force goes through the object? Or goes around it?fkholmes

I think this is what happens. But if the immovable object is infinite in size and extent then it's impossible to go around it, only through it.

Anyway the existence of an unstoppable force and an immovable object is fictitious I think and cannot exist in reality.

An unmovable object and an unstoppable force are the same thing and only one can exist in any one universe.bean-with-bacon

[QUOTE="fkholmes"]The force goes through the object? Or goes around it?X4D

I think this is what happens. But if the immovable object is infinite in size and extent then it's impossible to go around it, only through it.

Anyway the existence of an unstoppable force and an immovable object is fictitious I think and cannot exist in reality.

rofl. Really. Please read what you just wrote. ".. is infinite in size and extent then it´s impossible to go around it, only through it."

How do you go through what is infinite in size, since that is the thesis you proposed? What, you just keep on going thru the infinity? There is no metrics the second you draw infinite size into the calculation.

*sigh*

[QUOTE="X4D"]

[QUOTE="fkholmes"]The force goes through the object? Or goes around it?BiancaDK

I think this is what happens. But if the immovable object is infinite in size and extent then it's impossible to go around it, only through it.

Anyway the existence of an unstoppable force and an immovable object is fictitious I think and cannot exist in reality.

rofl. Really. Please read what you just wrote. ".. is infinite in size and extent then it´s impossible to go around it, only through it."

How do you go through what is infinite in size, since that is the thesis you proposed? What, you just keep on going thru the infinity? There is no metrics the second you draw infinite size into the calculation.

*sigh*

Which is why some people go on to become scientists and some don't, and why I have refrained from posting in this thread all together. :P

"Which is why some people go on to become scientists and some don't, and why I have refrained from posting in this thread all together. "

I see where you´re coming from with this, but the topic intrigues me :(

yet how could something be there without a beginning leonard88

Just because human life has a beginning and end doesn't mean the universe has. As humans it's impossible for us to imagine that something could have existed for eternity. Also we have to remember that something cannot come from nothing. Also nothing could not have existed in the past because we do. This means that something has always existed. This 'something' is what we call the universe.

I have a question. How can something be unmoveable or unstoppable? Perhaps these things could never exist, thus the universe would never have to solve such a paradox.

That or the unstoppable object bounces off the unmoveable object.

[QUOTE="leonard88"]yet how could something be there without a beginning X4D

Just because human life has a beginning and end doesn't mean the universe has. As humans it's impossible for us to imagine that something could have existed for eternity. Also we have to remember that something cannot come from nothing. Also nothing could not have existed in the past because we do. This means that something has always existed. This 'something' is what we call the universe.

I think of the variables that could be presented when infinity and eternity is combined, almost on a daily basis. And i am quite human.

You say that we apparently have to remember that something cannot come from nothing. To me, it seems, that you yourself cannot grasp the possibilities that eternity may represent. Besides, what is "something" and what is "nothing". Are we talking about the presence of khaos versus what is...? It seems to me like you presume alot of things regarding the universe, as if they were a given, but in all honesty, it seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy, if your arguement is followed thru.

I have a question. How can something be unmoveable or unstoppable? Perhaps these things could never exist, thus the universe would never have to solve such a paradox.

That or the unstoppable object bounces off the unmoveable object.

DigitalExile

The elements described in the question is of pseudo-ontological quality. Do not be trapped by it, for it is no more relevant to the world of which it dwells in, than this false paradox:

Everything i say is a lie, but if so, is this statement then truthful?

Be logical, apply reason :)

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

I have a question. How can something be unmoveable or unstoppable? Perhaps these things could never exist, thus the universe would never have to solve such a paradox.

That or the unstoppable object bounces off the unmoveable object.

BiancaDK

The elements described in the question is of pseudo-ontological quality. Do not be trapped by it, for it is no more relevant to the world of which it dwells in, than this false paradox:

Everything i say is a lie, but if so, is this statement then truthful?

Be logical, apply reason :)

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

I have a question. How can something be unmoveable or unstoppable? Perhaps these things could never exist, thus the universe would never have to solve such a paradox.

That or the unstoppable object bounces off the unmoveable object.

DigitalExile

The elements described in the question is of pseudo-ontological quality. Do not be trapped by it, for it is no more relevant to the world of which it dwells in, than this false paradox:

Everything i say is a lie, but if so, is this statement then truthful?

Be logical, apply reason :)

I apologize, i´m not trying to confuse you, or anyone else, i´m just trying to be specific and punctual, something which is of dire need when adressing issues such as these. If i do not apply adherence to the nature of the question given, i might aswell just open my mouth and say nothing of relevance, like 90% of the other people in this forum.

If i do not apply adherence to the nature of the question given, i might aswell just open my mouth and say nothing of relevance, like 90% of the other people in this forum.

BiancaDK

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

If i do not apply adherence to the nature of the question given, i might aswell just open my mouth and say nothing of relevance, like 90% of the other people in this forum.

DigitalExile

i´ll try that, if the rhetoric persists on being circular lol

You realize that neither exists and never willWhicker89

I think of the variables that could be presented when infinity and eternity is combined, almost on a daily basis. And i am quite human.

You say that we apparently have to remember that something cannot come from nothing. To me, it seems, that you yourself cannot grasp the possibilities that eternity may represent. Besides, what is "something" and what is "nothing". Are we talking about the presence of khaos versus what is...? It seems to me like you presume alot of things regarding the universe, as if they were a given, but in all honesty, it seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy, if your arguement is followed thru.

BiancaDK

The use of the word 'nothing' has a very special meaning in this context, unlike our every day use of the word. It means here quite literally nothing, the complete absence of everything: matter, energy and their particles. By definition then nothing must be an infinite void. If nothing exists it would HAVE to be infinite. This is a result of it not being allowed any boundaries, as a boundary would place a limit on nothing's size and furthermore would also indicate that there was something existing on the 'other ' side of the boundary, apart from the boundary itself existing. This would be contrary to our definition of both infinite and of nothing. This also, it should be noted, excludes anything existing in any other dimension, or dimensions, as a dimension would then be a boundary. Nothing then, when described asan infinite void, excludes all possibility of anything else existing, anywhere.

http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Where%20universe%20from.htm

[QUOTE="Whicker89"]You realize that neither exists and never willRedgarl

[QUOTE="Redgarl"][QUOTE="Whicker89"]You realize that neither exists and never willWhicker89

[QUOTE="Redgarl"][QUOTE="Whicker89"]You realize that neither exists and never willWhicker89

[QUOTE="Whicker89"][QUOTE="Redgarl"]It's a quote from The Joker...Redgarl

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]I think of the variables that could be presented when infinity and eternity is combined, almost on a daily basis. And i am quite human.

You say that we apparently have to remember that something cannot come from nothing. To me, it seems, that you yourself cannot grasp the possibilities that eternity may represent. Besides, what is "something" and what is "nothing". Are we talking about the presence of khaos versus what is...? It seems to me like you presume alot of things regarding the universe, as if they were a given, but in all honesty, it seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy, if your arguement is followed thru.

X4D

The use of the word 'nothing' has a very special meaning in this context, unlike our every day use of the word. It means here quite literally nothing, the complete absence of everything: matter, energy and their particles. By definition then nothing must be an infinite void. If nothing exists it would HAVE to be infinite. This is a result of it not being allowed any boundaries, as a boundary would place a limit on nothing's size and furthermore would also indicate that there was something existing on the 'other ' side of the boundary, apart from the boundary itself existing. This would be contrary to our definition of both infinite and of nothing. This also, it should be noted, excludes anything existing in any other dimension, or dimensions, as a dimension would then be a boundary. Nothing then, when described asan infinite void, excludes all possibility of anything else existing, anywhere.

Your description of absolute nothing is beautiful, and the logic is flawless! But you dont need me to tell you that :P Thank you for clearing it up for me, i do believe we are on the same page now :)

[QUOTE="Redgarl"][QUOTE="Whicker89"]
Oh really?
Whicker89