How much Petrol/Diesel you buy in a week OT?

I ride a bike,so 8-10 ltr petrol on average lasts me 6 days from a week in my sales job.

Well?

My Golf takes about £55-60 to fill and lasts me about 550-600 miles. So about a month as I don't tend to drive too far from home. Occasionally head to the south coast with my girlfriend but split between our cars so one doesn't get used more than the other.

30 to 60 Lt

Around 60ltr a week, a commute around 80 miles to get to and from work

At least I did, started a new job the other week that's only about 5-6 miles commute away, not been there long enough to no how much fuel I'm saving

Very up and down. Haven't used the car the last 10 days or so. I'll get an electrical vehicle once I switch this old piece of metal out.

8 gallons a week in my personal vehicle. Sooo much more in my work truck. I don't pay for the gas so I don't pay to much attention, but I'd guess around 60 to 70 gallons per week.

I only put $20 in every 2 weeks. Unless I drive to Kansas City, then it adds another $30. About 3/4 a fill up each way.

I put in about 15 gallons at between $25-$30 (depending on price) once a week.

$30 a week. Car is incredibly good on fuel!

A week? $30-35, but I don't fill up every week. Maybe every 2 or 2 and half weeks.

My car has a 17.7 gal tank and a V6 engine. Distance to work is 24 miles round trip with speeds mostly 45 mph to 60 mph. Not much traffic either. I fill up say, every two weeks when I'm down to more or less, 1/4 tank. A 3/4 tank fill up is around ~US$25.

My last car a Chevy Prizm. That I put in $15 every week or two. Sometimes less depending on my budget. American here, so we pay by the gallon.

My current car though is a Hyundai Santa Fe, that consumes more gas. But I don't drive every day or go far. So I'm due to pay at least $20 the next time I go out. With my current driving habits, that lasts a week and a half. Don't mind paying extra for gas though. As my current car better suits my needs than my old one. And my back is in better hands with my bigger compact SUV. Than my old sedan like car.

About 25 dollars, once every two weeks. My job is very close to where I live and I don't drive around much.

I live very close to work, so I fill up about 15 gallons every month.

Telsa Model S so zero fuel. The rough equivalent in "miles per gallon" comparing the energy prices to gas prices is around 110-120 MPG. I also travel for work and I drive rental cars but I pretty much never drive far enough to require refueling before I take it back for the week. I drive daily but I haven't "fueled up" in almost a year.

-Byshop

Nowadays I put £20 every 2 weeks.

36 miles per gallon, so somewhere around 10 gallons. Gas/petrol is $2.03 a gallon here in the U.S.

My car gets about 33.5 mpg (US) combined.

My truck usually averages about 5-5.5 mpg (US) when loaded between 75,000-90,000 lbs gross.

I take the bus. Save myself a few hundreds.

I forgot to mention, it costs me about $8.50 USD to charge from 0 to 100%, not that I've ever actually done that. With the amount that I drive, I probably spend around a dollar a day in electricity cost.

-Byshop

None. I take taxis or the train.

$20-40 depending.

Electric cars? We havent got those in India yet i think :)

India has electric cars, but not very many. There are fewer than 5,000 full electric personal vehicles registered in the entire country. To be fair, they are still a pretty new concept in the US, where the total number of registered vehicles is around 570,000 but that's still only about 1% of the total automotive market share here.

-Byshop

Are the electric cars costly in your country compared to other standard vechiles?

And still only a viable technology for people who don't commute long distances, or like to travel outside a 300km radius from their home.

I still believe the future is hydrogen technology. All-electric cars and trucks will never be able to beat out the travel distance limitation. They need that option to refuel at various stops along the route, and sitting at a charging station for several hours isn't reasonable.

Depends on which one you get. The least expensive electric vehicles might run around 30k USD for a simple commuter car like a Nissan Leaf that doesn't have very much range (about 100 miles per charge, whereas a comparably priced gas car could go 300-400 miles on a tank depending on which mode) and isn't very fast. At the high end of the spectrum you can get all the way up to the 170k range if you go with the highest end Tesla models.

There are also state and federal tax incentives for buying electric vehicles which help to offset the price. They get... complicated, but the short version is I got 13.5k in refunds for each electric I purchased last year.

-Byshop

Once I had this bright idea of being "ecofriendly" and change from my gasoline SUV for an electric car, eyeballed the Nissan Leaf and went to the dealer, asked for the price and ...... fvck the environment, I'm going to keep using my 90's technology air polluting SUV intil it drops dead.

There's truth to what you're saying but there are other factors as well. The fact that I drive less than 100 miles in an average day was a factor in my decision to get an electric car, but if I want to take a roadtrip (which we are planning on next summer) I can take advantage of the Tesla Supercharger Network. My boss has a Model X and he recently took his family from the Bay Area all the way over here to Colorado with no issues.

But you're right, if your daily commute is more than 200-250 miles then unless you can charge at work then an electric car probably isn't for you. Charging time is a factor, but the highest end chargers like the Tesla Super Chargers will get you back up to near full in around 40 minutes. Taking a break like that every 4 hours or driving or so is fine for long road trips, but it's not great if you're bouncing around from place to place for work and are under time pressure to get to your next destination.

I recently took a trip down to Colorado Springs from the Denver area a while back to head into the mountains. Total round trip was somewhere around 260-300 miles. I drove from Denver down to the Springs, hit the supercharger there for less than an hour while I grabbed lunch, and that gave me enough range to head into the mountains, and then come back down and head back to Denver. While we were up in the mountains, I topped the car off at a free charger just because I could and because it was free. If I really stretched it, I might have been able to make the whole trip without charging at all but that would have been pushing it.

It turns out that once you start looking for them, EV chargers are in a lot more places than you might think but they are not as convenient as gas stations. There are at least 3 or 4 different major charging networks in the US (Blink, EVGo, Sema Connect, Chargepoint) and different chargers may charge at different rates. It's also not uncommon to find chargers that simply don't work, or some are "destination chargers" where you have to be staying at a particular hotel to use them. I got my car because I knew that I'd almost never have to charge outside my house unless I was taking a road trip somewhere, and if then I'd have access to the Tesla chargers which are free for the life of my car.

If they can get the charging time down to something closer to how long it takes to gas up a car, I think they will have solved on the biggest hurdles for electric cars. They have been noodling around some ideas for new energy storage tech that would allow for even faster recharging. If they could get this down to 5 or 10 minutes, that would make a huge difference.

-Byshop

Ahhh!

Can you post pic of your electric car? ( Any Google images of your car would do as i want to see what a electric car looks like lol )

This is me.

-Byshop

@Byshop said:

@indzman said:

Ahhh!

Can you post pic of your electric car? ( Any Google images of your car would do as i want to see what a electric car looks like lol )

This is me.

-Byshop

WOW, looks like a sports car lol. Great car you got :)

@Byshop: Strangely enough only one in the neighbourhood. And this is Norway after all. But hey adding the E-Golf, BMW i3 and the others and I think there are around 8 or so. 1/3 of the vehicles in the neighbourhood I think.

Yeah, my understanding is Norway has a bunch. Different states have varying amounts in the US. While EVs are popular in Colorado, not that many of them are Teslas. I see a lot more Chevy Bolt/Volts around and Nissan Leafs, which are much more reasonably priced cars. Teslas are great because they are really one of the only EVs you can get where don't sacrifice range, performance, or practicality. 260-330 miles of range depending on the battery size, 0-60 in under 6 seconds (or as low as 2.3 for the really fast models), and they seat up to 7 people plus storage space. The downside of them is price, as to get all those features you are getting into high end luxury car prices just to start.

Our tax incentives are weird but the short version is the government does encourage you to buy EVs through tax rebates. There's a federal rebate which still applies for Tesla that works from anywhere in the US, but each state may have its own incentive and those vary year to year. California is one of the more friendly EV states in the US and about half of Tesla's sales in the US are in that state alone.

-Byshop

Teslas where cheap here when they first launched. Still cheap, but the dollar was cheap for us, that really drove the price down. Now the dollar is more in the normal price range and that means the price is up a good 20% if not more. Oslo also is the only city that is really serious about getting people to switch from fossil fueled cars.

Another thing that affects car sales here is electrical bikes. Small engine, 250W, on a regular bike. If you live and work in the city, almost nothing beats an electrical bike. Hence why bikes costing 3 000 $ and more sells as much as they do.

Nothing at the moment since the head gaskets in my car blew. I bike 18 miles to work and back while catching the occasional bus when I have no desire to bike such a long distance...

How cheap is cheap? These days the two main models start around 65-70k USD. The new Model 3 just started delivering a few weeks ago. That's the consumer model that will start around 35k for the lowest base config.

-Byshop

Checking at Tesla... Basic pack I assume Model S 75 starts at 577 000 NOK Kr. For 4-wheel drive it starts at 617 000. The Tesla S 100D starts at 820 000.

The premium upgrade pack add about 40 000, upgraded autopilot add also 40 000, and the self driving option add another 24 000 on top of that. Extra seats 32 000.

Model 3 I think begin at 350 000 for small battery pack, 450 000 for the bigger one. I don't remember the prices exactly, and hard to find anything specific since I don't think a car will be delivered here anytime soon.

Ok so translating these prices. Basic Tesla S 75 begins at just below 75K $, 4-wheel drive about 5K$ more. Tesla S 100D at just below 105K $. Exchange rate is 7.96-7.97 NOK per $. Tesla 3 at 45K$ to 58K$.

A basic BMW 520i automatic begins at 520 000, or about 66K $. So the Tesla cost a little more, however cost of having it is much lower. Still not paying toll on toll roads and electricity costs maybe 1/5 of what gas costs. Today it is a expensive to buy, however if you looking at buying a car in that price class it exists, it is by far the cheapest choice over time if it covers all your needs. Toll roads alone in Oslo can set you back 3K $ a year. Gas is difficult to estimate. According to Tesla you are looking at saving 490 000 over 5 years if you choose the cheapest Tesla S 75. Or about 62K $. 15K $ alone from not paying on toll roads.

Tesla's gas price savings estimator is generous at best. I zero those values out whenever I'm looking at the price estimator. Those toll road prices sounded high to me but I just did the math and yeah, 3k a year sounds about right assuming $12 each way. Unfortunately, an electric vehicle doesn't make me exempt where I live so it doesn't help me in that department. I just love not having to buy gas.

Sure, if you are already looking at an 80k or more car then this could be a better option, but the pragmatic side of me would argue that a comparable class luxury car with a gas engine might cost less than 80k. Realistically, most Tesla configs that people actually buy (assuming they aren't going to the used market which gets much cheaper) are more like 100K USD. Honestly I wouldn't recommend anyone buy a Tesla (except for maybe the Model 3, but the wait on that is more than a year at this point) if their goal is cost savings because the number of years they'd have to own one before they actually saved money after factoring in the increased purchase price is probably more than would be practical. They are fun cars, though, and unlike a lot of "fun" cars they are pretty practical and they are loaded with luxury features.

-Byshop

I take those with a grain of salt too. However, I know some owners estimated they saved roughly 10K $ a year when they switched from fossil fuel to electric cars. People at work have almost saved what they bought their car for by not paying at toll roads alone. I think they had Nissan Leaf first gen. Fossil fuel, be it petrol or diesel, is much more expensive here than in US. Around 2 dollars for a litre(roughly 7 dollar per gallon) of petrol 1.8$ for a litre of diesel.

Another thing is that an electrical car is the only thing you can buy in Norway as a consumer where you do not pay tax. The BMW I mentioned in the other post has a sales tax at 25%, plus additional fees. I bet roughly 40% of the cost of it is taxes. That rate was higher before, but the current government have actually made it cheaper to buy a new car.

You can definitely save money with an electric vehicle, but if money saving is the goal then starting with a 30k electric vehicle like a Leaf (or even a Model 3) is a much better idea than a 100+k one. To be fair, I don't really have a normal "commute" and gas prices in the US tend to be lower than other countries so maybe in other places the annual savings could be a lot more than I would personally see.

-Byshop

And if you are in the marked for a new car in that price range?

Then I'd question your sanity. :)

I look at cars in terms of what do they do for me versus how much they cost and there isn't a lot that most 100k cars can do that a 50-60k car can do in practical terms. Yes, if you are already looking at a 100+k car then a Tesla will save you money pretty much immediately compared to a 100+k ICE car but personally I never would have been looking for an ICE car in that price range. Cars are not great investments and my self-imposed spending limit on a new family luxury car was around the 60k range. I broke my own rule specifically specifically because of how unique it is and how I could replace both of the cars I had at the time (2002 Toyota Prius and 1992 Nissan 300zx Twin Turbo) which a single car that was better than both of those cars at their strengths (faster than the Z and better mileage/more space than the Prius). Plus autopilot and the promise of Full Self Driving through software updates. Plus it's the nerdiest tech car out there and I'm a giant tech nerd.

-Byshop

Welcome to Norway ;)

Btw ever seen the first model from Tesla, Tesla Roadster? There is one or two in my area. =)

I realize that I'm speaking pretty hypocritically. I'm on my second Model S.

I've never seen the Roadster in person that I can recall. Just S and Xs. It was a pretty nice looking car, though. Nothing wrong with a body based on a Lotus. Having owned a fast two-seater, though, I will always need something more practical at this point in my life.

-Byshop

Hahaha.

Norway uses hydro power... Even export it as well. And the video's two point are obvious. Drive less and switch cars less. And as far as electric cars go, Tesla uses a lot of power. Hyndai Ionic uses about 1.1KWh per 10 kilometers or so, Tesla is up to 1.8 or even higher normally. Or the converter between the battery and engine is leaking some power.

Yeah, a Tesla's efficiency is about half that. My 75kwh battery gets me 260 miles in ideal circumstances, so at best my rated mileage is 1kwh to 3.46 miles or 5.57 km. It's amazing that they are so quick because they are really heavy cars. The things are tanks, but that also contributes to their awesome safety ratings. They are really hard to roll because the battery makes up the bottom and that's where most of the weight is. They also have a better forward crumple zone because of the lack of a gas engine in the front, plus a ton of other safety features (this was a big part of how I convinced my wife that this was a good idea).

A kid went on a joyride in The Nederlands recently in a Model S with three of his friends and crashed through a brick wall at high speed. One of the occupants escaped injury and the other three were taken to a hospital but nobody was seriously injured.

https://electrek.co/2017/08/18/tesla-model-s-versus-brick-wall-drunk-joyride-crash/

That video made people lose their minds on the Tesla forums but it's not really anti-Tesla. It's just acknowledging things that should be pretty obvious like even though you aren't burning fuel yourself the energy still has to come from -somewhere- and depending on where you live that somewhere might not be a clean source. Plus these cars are harder to build and take more resources than ICE cars.

-Byshop

Harder to build because we got little experience with it, or because it is more complicated? The AC induction engine is much smaller than a regular engine. Less parts than a petrol engine at least. The needed power electronics are complicated yes. The rest is more or less the same. Except for a simplified gearbox.

A little bit of both, but the materials needed for the battery in particular are a factor. Also, due to the weight of the battery (at least in the Teslas) they have to balance that out with lighter weight build materials like aluminum versus steel, which also drives up cost.

-Byshop