How can anyone willingly choose to smoke cigarettes today

Nevertheless you are addicted to it are you not? Games are not drugs (arugably lol) yet people are addicted to them. T.v. isn't a drug, yet people can get addicted to it. Hell, if I'm not mistaken, isn't there a term for people who are addicted to working?

Scarletred

And the term you're looking for is workaholic.

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]I love peoples definition of a high on here. Apparently Mr. Geezer and the other guy think that, by definition, food gets you high because it puts you in a good mood:lol:DeeJayInphinity

Mr.Geezer himself said he was NOT referring to the stress relief!

EPIC FAIL!!!:lol:

Did you not read what I said? HE SAID IT HIMSELF HE WAS NOT REFFERING TO THE STRESS RELIEF EFFECT AT ALL!!!!

You are the one going crazy and grasping for straws.

Very true however, just because something can get you high or drunk, does not mean that if I take the smallest dose of it, I will be addicted. Also just for the record, I didn't drink coffee because of it's effect, but because of its taste. I still eat coffee flavored ice cream LOL. Also IIRC you did ask "Why would someone get addicted to something if it didn't give you a high," which is what my original post was replying to.

Scarletred

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]If you hadn't derailed the conversation, you'd know this.Deity_Slapper

I'm sorry, should I go sit in the Time Out corner? :(

Says who?

That was a mean thing to say, and you know what? On my planet, meanies are not welcome. So you! Be gone!

Ha ha, I win. (As usual)

Very true however, just because something can get you high or drunk, does not mean that if I take the smallest dose of it, I will be addicted. Also just for the record, I didn't drink coffee because of it's effect, but because of its taste. I still eat coffee flavored ice cream LOL. Also IIRC you did ask "Why would someone get addicted to something if it didn't give you a high," which is what my original post was replying to.

Scarletred

Did you not read what I said? HE SAID IT HIMSELF HE WAS NOT REFFERING TO THE STRESS RELIEF EFFECT AT ALL!!!!

You are the one going crazy and grasping for straws.

Thechaninator

Cigarettes are the dumbest waste of money ever. They have absolutely no up-side., wow they make you feel good; wrong only the people that are addicted say that because they have to hav them or they'll fell like crap. (UPDATE...THEY ALSO KILL YOU.)

WASTED MONEY, DEATH, ADDICTION=BAD

CIGARETTES KILL PEOPLE, ARE LEGAL AND ARE ENCOUREGED AS EVER.

WEED HAS NEVER KILLED ANYBODY (EXCEPT FROM BRONCHITIS RELATED DEATHS), KILLS CANCER CELLS,RELEVIES STREES AND IS EXTREMELY ILLEGAL, YET PEOPLE GO TO JAIL FOR YEARS JUST FOR SMOKEING IT. DOES SOMETHING SEEM WRONG HERE YA THE GOVERNMENT. :evil:

[QUOTE="Scarletred"]

Nevertheless you are addicted to it are you not? Games are not drugs (arugably lol) yet people are addicted to them. T.v. isn't a drug, yet people can get addicted to it. Hell, if I'm not mistaken, isn't there a term for people who are addicted to working?

ayanami_rei

And the term you're looking for is workaholic.

and is that not the same way drugs work. YOU don't need the drugs (in fact the drugs harm you) yet your mind is telling you "give it to me." Just like how when you are bulimic, your body does not need to be any skinnier (in fact in some cases if you becomes skinnier or proceed to purge yourself you can and will do yourself harm, sometimes leading to hemorages) yet your mind is telling you "Purge because you are to fat". You are addicted to the action. A person with bulimia can go through psychological withdrawals if during recovery, they all of a sudden feel that they are still fat (sometimes caused by a jerk telling the they are too fat).

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

Did you not read what I said? HE SAID IT HIMSELF HE WAS NOT REFFERING TO THE STRESS RELIEF EFFECT AT ALL!!!!

You are the one going crazy and grasping for straws.

DeeJayInphinity

No you actually referred to it as Geezers arguement which is how you failed. Go back and check for yourself.

As I mentioned the stress relief isn't a true high as it is merely removing the depressant effects the addiction to the nicotine adds so you can feel normal again.

If you actually consider that a high, then this means people get high off fast food.

A high isn't just feeling happy but it entails some sort of mental disturbance, such as crazy burts of energy (caffeine), impaired perception (alcohol), or hallucinations (mushrooms).

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]If you hadn't derailed the conversation, you'd know this.Toriko42

I'm sorry, should I go sit in the Time Out corner? :(

Says who?

That was a mean thing to say, and you know what? On my planet, meanies are not welcome. So you! Be gone!

Ha ha, I win. (As usual)

I know, but I couldn't resist.

No you actually referred to it as Geezers arguement which is how you failed. Go back and check for yourself.

As I mentioned the stress relief isn't a true high as it is merely removing the depressant effects the addiction to the nicotine adds so you can feel normal again.

If you actually consider that a high, then this means people get high off fast food.

A high isn't just feeling happy but it entails some sort of mental disturbance, such as crazy burts of energy (caffeine), impaired perception (alcohol), or hallucinations (mushrooms).

Thechaninator

[QUOTE="Scarletred"]

Very true however, just because something can get you high or drunk, does not mean that if I take the smallest dose of it, I will be addicted. Also just for the record, I didn't drink coffee because of it's effect, but because of its taste. I still eat coffee flavored ice cream LOL. Also IIRC you did ask "Why would someone get addicted to something if it didn't give you a high," which is what my original post was replying to.

ayanami_rei

some, not all.

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

No you actually referred to it as Geezers arguement which is how you failed. Go back and check for yourself.

As I mentioned the stress relief isn't a true high as it is merely removing the depressant effects the addiction to the nicotine adds so you can feel normal again.

If you actually consider that a high, then this means people get high off fast food.

A high isn't just feeling happy but it entails some sort of mental disturbance, such as crazy burts of energy (caffeine), impaired perception (alcohol), or hallucinations (mushrooms).

DeeJayInphinity

ok and in what way does nicotine impair you?

I saw nothing about impairment in the abstract, then again it is after 4 AM here which may be an issue....

You claimed that nicotine provides "fake" stress relief (I don't even know what that means...stress relief is stress relief) RATHER than getting you high.

I replied that "I wasn't talking about stress relief, I was talking about getting high."

Yes, getting high relieves stress. However, I was referring to YOUR implication that stress relief ("fake" stress relief, no less) is a benefit obtianed from smoking, while getting high is NOT.

You can relieve stress by squeezing a ball, or counting to ten. However, that is NOT the same as intaking an addictive drug which causes a high (and also relieves stress).

THAT was the full intent of my comment. However, if you insist on grasping at straws just in an attempt to "own" someone, then I'll concede defeat just to shut you up.

Yes, I was wrong, you owned me. Good job.

NOW we must realize that DeeJay has very well established that smoking cigarettes DOES get you high. So even if you've "owned" me, you still have to counter HIS well-supported claim that smoking cigarettes gets you high. You HAVEN'T called him out on any errors, so the prevailing argument is STILL that people smoke cigarettes because it gets them high (my original argument, by the way).

So...keep on grasping at straws all you like. If it makes you happy, I'll admit that you owned me. I'm STILL right, because smoking cigarettes DOES still cause a high, as DeeJay has established much better than I was ever going to.

ok and in what way does nicotine impair you?

I saw nothing about impairment in the abstract, then again it is after 4 AM here which may be an issue....

Thechaninator

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

Did you not read what I said? HE SAID IT HIMSELF HE WAS NOT REFFERING TO THE STRESS RELIEF EFFECT AT ALL!!!!

You are the one going crazy and grasping for straws.

Thechaninator

No you actually referred to it as Geezers arguement which is how you failed. Go back and check for yourself.

As I mentioned the stress relief isn't a true high as it is merely removing the depressant effects the addiction to the nicotine adds so you can feel normal again.

If you actually consider that a high, then this means people get high off fast food.

A high isn't just feeling happy but it entails some sort of mental disturbance, such as crazy burts of energy (caffeine), impaired perception (alcohol), or hallucinations (mushrooms).

Uh...actually it WAS my argument. The FIRST reply in this thread was made by ME. And I replied "because it gets you high."

That was ABSOLUTELY my argument all along.

YOU are in error by claiming that "stress relief" is the ONLY benefit obtained from smoking. Smoking can relieve stress, but more importantly, IT GETS YOU HIGH.

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

ok and in what way does nicotine impair you?

I saw nothing about impairment in the abstract, then again it is after 4 AM here which may be an issue....

DeeJayInphinity

I also mentioned the burst of energy but forgot to repeat that in my last post.

And dude, overdosing on ANYTHING will impair you in some manner.

And Mr.Geezer, it is a very FAKE stress relief as you are simply feeling relieved because you are making the withdrawal symptoms go away temporarily.

There is no high, end of story. No burst of energy, no impairment, just simple feelings of happiness and possible relaxation. Like I said, by your definition fast food gets you high as it accomplishes the same things cigarettes do.

YOU are in error by claiming that "stress relief" is the ONLY benefit obtained from smoking. Smoking can relieve stress, but more importantly, IT GETS YOU HIGH.

MrGeezer

Isn't "getting high" a method of relieving stress? I think that was the point. Same thing, essentially.

It's not like people get high to increase their stress. :lol:

I also mentioned the burst of energy but forgot to repeat that in my last post.

And dude, overdosing on ANYTHING will impair you in some manner.

And Mr.Geezer, it is a very FAKE stress relief as you are simply feeling relieved because you are making the withdrawal symptoms go away temporarily.

There is no high, end of story. No burst of energy, no impairment, just simple feelings of happiness and possible relaxation. Like I said, by your definition fast food gets you high as it accomplishes the same things cigarettes do.

Thechaninator

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

YOU are in error by claiming that "stress relief" is the ONLY benefit obtained from smoking. Smoking can relieve stress, but more importantly, IT GETS YOU HIGH.

Deity_Slapper

Isn't "getting high" a method of relieving stress? I think that was the point. Same thing, essentially.

It's not like people get high to increase their stress. :lol:

Just because it is a method does not mean it is the same thing. Working out and listening to music is a way to relieve stress however it isn't the same thing is getting high. I characterize something as being able to get you high when at a certain point of use, your perception and moral judgement becomes distorted.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

YOU are in error by claiming that "stress relief" is the ONLY benefit obtained from smoking. Smoking can relieve stress, but more importantly, IT GETS YOU HIGH.

Deity_Slapper

Isn't "getting high" a method of relieving stress? I think that was the point. Same thing, essentially.

It's not like people get high to increase their stress. :lol:

Driving is also a method of getting to the park. Walking is a method of getting to the park.

However, if you assume that "getting to the park" is the same thingas "driving", then you have made a huge failure of logic.

Or let's put it another way...a pickle is a cucumber. Does this mean that a cucumber is a pickle?

Or let's put it in another way...are there any ways of relieving stress that DON'T involve getting high?

And this time, could you please THINK before you post?

I do not know

Driving is also a method of getting to the park. Walking is a method of getting to the park.

However, if you assume that "getting to the park" is the same thingas "driving", then you have made a huge failure of logic.MrGeezer

Driving and walking are both methods of transportation. Or should I say, they are both ways of getting somewhere. I do both. They both seem to be equally effective at cutting down the space between my starting point and my destination. One is simply more efficent than the other, time wise.

That's just one way to look at them as being the same, in a way. But yes, they are different as well, as walking doesn't involve motorized machinery. But whatever dude. There's a million ways to look at everything.

Or let's put it another way...a pickle is a cucumber. Does this mean that a cucumber is a pickle? MrGeezer

Actually, yes it is. A cucumber is a pickle without the extras.

Or let's put it in another way...are there any ways of relieving stress that DON'T involve getting high? MrGeezer

How about YOU answer that question... ;)

And this time, could you please THINK before you post?

MrGeezer

I usually do...I think...wait, yeah, I do. :roll:

BTW Geezer, funny you should ask for evidence cause I have seen none for your claim and have had to put up with smokers all my life.

Thechaninator

Just because it is a method does not mean it is the same thing. Working out and listening to music is a way to relieve stress however it isn't the same thing is getting high. I characterize something as being able to get you high when at a certain point of use, your perception and moral judgement becomes distorted.

Scarletred

Working out and listening to music CAN get you high. Research how the brain responds to both...including chemicals that are released in the brain during both.

You see being high as "being distorted". I see it as the opposite. Clear thinking, upbeat, and efficient. This debate is coming down to our personal ways of looking at things, clashing.

some, not all.

Scarletred

[QUOTE="Scarletred"]

Just because it is a method does not mean it is the same thing. Working out and listening to music is a way to relieve stress however it isn't the same thing is getting high. I characterize something as being able to get you high when at a certain point of use, your perception and moral judgement becomes distorted.

Deity_Slapper

Working out and listening to music CAN get you high. Research how the brain responds to both...including chemicals that are released in the brain during both.

You see being high as "being distorted". I see it as the opposite. Clear thinking, upbeat, and efficient. This debate is coming down to our personal ways of looking at things, clashing.

That's a first that I have heard of that. Also just because something calms you down or makes you less angry, does not mean that you are high. I I am angry and someone comes and cheers me up that doesn't mean I automatically get high. Also you think that a normally calm person that kills somebody over a basketball game because he was high a result of a clear thinking, upbeat, and efficient result?(

[QUOTE="Scarletred"]

some, not all.

ayanami_rei

I didn't say that you did say all. I was just clarifying. Just like how you were clarifying that some drugs can get you addicted even at doses small enough to get you high , even though all I pointed out was the fact that I won't get addicted to something at a small dose even though it can still get you high (i.e. caffeine)

[QUOTE="ayanami_rei"][QUOTE="Scarletred"]

some, not all.

Scarletred

I didn't say that you did say all. I was just clarifying. Just like how you were clarifying that some drugs can get you addicted even at doses small enough to get you high , even though all I pointed out was the fact that I won't get addicted to something at a small dose even though it can still get you high (i.e. caffeine)

[QUOTE="Scarletred"][QUOTE="ayanami_rei"][QUOTE="Scarletred"]

some, not all.

ayanami_rei

I didn't say that you did say all. I was just clarifying. Just like how you were clarifying that some drugs can get you addicted even at doses small enough to get you high , even though all I pointed out was the fact that I won't get addicted to something at a small dose even though it can still get you high (i.e. caffeine)

I never put it in that context. The way I said it was in a "Just because this happens does not necessarilly mean this will happen" context. Just because I said "some, not all" does not mean I implied that you DID say all. Like I said I was just clarifying. Similar as to how in survival action movies they scientific guy says "We only have a 30% chance of getting to the generator without getting attacked by *fill in blank*, then another guy comes and says "But it is still a chance" then the scientific guy says "Yes a chance but a very small chance". ( I know...an acid trip of an example but it's late and that's all I can think of right now.) Don't take it personal if I clarify.

smoking weed is retarded and expensive...if I wanna abuse my body then I'll get hammeredROFLMASTER

You ever tried it?

I'd rather hang out with somebody who smokes cigarettes than smokes weed or Hookah.

Your whining sense makes none. >_>

I'd rather hang out with somebody who smokes cigarettes than smokes weed or Hookah.

Your whining sense makes none. >_>

Chitzu

I think just to relieve stress if your 21 or older, if your 21 or younger is just to be cool. There are still some cases of young kids smoking just to releive stress though.

I think just to relieve stress if your 21 or older, if your 21 or younger is just to be cool. There are still some cases of young kids smoking just to releive stress though.

GiveMeIce

Because its the only legal plant people can smoke?123625

You are most certainly mistaken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarettes

I'm 16 and I smoke. I started at 14 out of pure curiousity and have been doing it ever since. The actual reason I smoke is because I enjoy it and it breaks up my day. If I didn't have a cigarette break I'd never get out the house! It's just a nice little treat every few hours where I sit outside and relax and reflect about things - it's my 'me' time.

I understand the health risks and I am a little worried about them but hey. I respect people for not smoking so I expect people to respect this post and not tell me I'm 'stupid for putting toxic chemicals that can harm people around you blah blah blah'. I try not to smoke around non-smokers so anyone who is about to flame me: don't.

I'm 16 and I smoke. I started at 14 out of pure curiousity and have been doing it ever since. The actual reason I smoke is because I enjoy it and it breaks up my day. If I didn't have a cigarette break I'd never get out the house! It's just a nice little treat every few hours where I sit outside and relax and reflect about things - it's my 'me' time.

I understand the health risks and I am a little worried about them but hey. I respect people for not smoking so I expect people to respect this post and not tell me I'm 'stupid for putting toxic chemicals that can harm people around you blah blah blah'. I try not to smoke around non-smokers so anyone who is about to flame me: don't.

tofu-lion91

[QUOTE="tofu-lion91"]

I'm 16 and I smoke. I started at 14 out of pure curiousity and have been doing it ever since. The actual reason I smoke is because I enjoy it and it breaks up my day. If I didn't have a cigarette break I'd never get out the house! It's just a nice little treat every few hours where I sit outside and relax and reflect about things - it's my 'me' time.

I understand the health risks and I am a little worried about them but hey. I respect people for not smoking so I expect people to respect this post and not tell me I'm 'stupid for putting toxic chemicals that can harm people around you blah blah blah'. I try not to smoke around non-smokers so anyone who is about to flame me: don't.

Toriko42

Thanks. Yes my mum is a BIG anti-smoking freak, she used to smell it on me and go mental. I used to be really careful, always having showers and stuff so she wouldn't catch me. Now I'm 16 though I blatently stink of cigarettes sometimes and she doesn't say anything so I think she might have guessed but knows I'm old enough to make my own choices.

I was 16 for one month on the old law and was able to purchase them but they changed it to 18 so I still have to get other people to buy me them which is a pain. I'm old enough to get married and have children but not old enough to smoke, I think that's a bit stupid really.

smoking weed is retarded and expensive...if I wanna abuse my body then I'll get hammeredROFLMASTER

How is getting s***faced by alcohol any less retarded than getting a mild trip from weed?:|

smoking cigarettes is bad but weed is fine? WTF have you been smoking?momo372

Haha, that's too funny! :lol: