Do you think Bernie Sander sold out?

Yes he did sold out

No. Are you kidding me? Have you seen the democratic platform? It's almost all of Bernie's ideas. If you vote Hillary you are getting most of Bernie's vision for America. Not to mention we continue liberal supreme court judges and Obama's executive action. Bernie did the right thing. Come on, guys. Lets get real, here

Yes. Should have lit a fire up Hillary's ass for having a rigged democracy and taking advantage of a corrupt DNC.

At least with Hillary I'll have time to prepare for the worst.

The Clintons threatened him and his family.

No, he was being pragmatic by endorsing Hillary Clinton.

Besides, like Shmiity already said, he got a lot of his policies in the democratic platform. He got what he wanted. It would be great if the bernie bros could see it from his perspective.

The moment Hillary wins she wont do any of the polices that Bernie suggested.

She'll be takin' that corporate D!

@Maroxad: She has no desire in upholding them... Your delusional if you think otherwise. We already are seeing it with her complete reversal in the TPP. When Sanders was still a threat she was against the TPP, now she is for it again. Just to illustrate how bought out by wall street she is, Her major donors already threatened her on pulling their support if she chose Warren as the vp. Instead she chose a vp who is pro deregulation of the banks. And instead of hitting those criticisms head on and addressing them... They have resorted to guilt tripping, name calling and blaming illustrating how full of crap they are. Not saying Sanders did the wrong thing, he did the only thing he really could.. But that doesn't mean we have to.buy the bullshit coming.out of Clinton's mouth when we can clearly look at her history.

@Shmiity:

I completely agree with you, spot on!

How can he sell out when he did not win the nomination?

People need to get over themselves and see the facts and not act like small children who got their candy stolen away.

Also if people do not feel Clinton is the right candidate vote blank or vote for Trump or the 3rd party candidate if they suit their views better. All this BS about "vote because Clinton is not trump" just makes everyone look pathetic.

I think Bernie realized Trump would be much much worse, but Hillary is still pretty bad.

Dividends?

That's politics. If you aren't going to win then you help the party win because that is the ultimate goal. Better than giving up.

No lol that's a grade school level analysis to say he "sold out".

Only the fools think so

Yep... what would TC prefer if he did it with Trump? Because those two are anti-establishment in all too different ways.

As Bernie himself said, take a moment to think about the Supreme Court justices Trump would appoint, look at who the oldest justices are. If you truly believe in Bernie's ideas, many of which are now in the party platform, what could be more damaging to that than a Supreme Court packed with a super majority of radical religious right wing nutcases?

Not to mention the halt and even rollback of social progress for the marginalized communities in our nation. Bernie didn't sell out, he is just not being an insufferable privileged prick who is willing to throw the most vulnerable among us under the bus for the next few decades just to make a political point.

If the Bernie or Bust crowd was even half as smart and truly dedicated to social progress as he is, that would be great. But they are just a left wing tea party now, irrational purists who take a our way or the highway approach to everything and treat compromise like a dirty word, thus assuring they would never actually get anything done.

No Clinton means you get Trump instead. Bernie was just using common sense.

Exactly, she just did it to get support from his supporters or at least the one's who underestimate how treacherous she is.

He didn't sell out, he made the best move possible. Bravo!

Sanders gets it, it's too bad a lot of his young fanatical nuts who support him don't.

And for those who think she won't do some of the things Bernie wanted, I disagree, maybe not all, but she will head further left with some policies thanks to Bernie.

Well that too.

No, I don't think that he did. I think that he ran a great campaign and did incredibly well for himself but he didn't get the nomination so now the best thing for both him and his supporters is to get behind Hillary and the Democratic Party as a whole.

Definitely something else went down behind the curtains.

Interesting to see everybody's point of view.

On the contrary, so far during the convention he's shown that he's more than a mere ideologue.

Sanders just wants to keep himself in a good position with the party. He know that if he doesn't endorse Hillary, and she wins, then he will never be able to get a decent position in the party. At the same time, if she loses, the party will blame his refusal to endorse her for her loss, similar to how Ted Cruz will probably get part of the blame if Trump loses, since he refused to endorse him during his speech at the RNC.

As much as it sucks, third parties do not stand a chance, the only thing they do is take votes away from the top two parties and they help people that don't like the status quo make a statement. As a result, Sanders could either endorse a third party (possibly costing Hillary the election), run as an independent (also possibly costing Hillary the election), or endorse Hillary and hope that she wins and does a better job.

Thats the nature of OP's threads.

Came to say basically this.

Pragmatic =/= selling out

Clinton is center-left and the DNC platform is much more align to Sander's political viewpoints, all thanks to Sanders run for the presidency which has encouraged the DNC to take on more liberal viewpoints.

For liberals, what is better? Having a center-left candidate who at least represents half or most of your views? Or allowing another candidate who represents little to none of your views? For all the Bernie or bust voters voting for Trump, ya'll a bunch of idiots and that's a fact.

@drunk_pi:

Right on, and that's it basically, he's being pragmatic.

Exactly, he did the most he could.

And that was to put his policies in the democratic platform right before dropping out. Whether or not Hillary will uphold them has yet to be seen. But that is all he could hope for.

@ad1x2: Why would Sanders, after decades of explicitly running outside of the party and throwing verbal stones at the party, suddenly care about having a good position in the party at age 74?

He realizes that with Hillary, the country should survive another 4-8 years without too much damage before maybe someone more liberal and progressive comes along. She might be wrong about a lot of things, but at least she's wrong within the boundaries that are considered normal for a human being.

The alternative is 4 years of Trump, which [from Sander's perspective] can easily end up being worse than 8 years of Clinton and do far more damage to the progressive causes he believes in. He made a calculated move with the hand he was dealt. It may have been a shitty hand, but its the best move he could make with it.

Nah, she is the corporate D. She's what they use to propagate their plans, and grow. They'll give Hildawg the ole reach around until she shoots out sweet creamy government cash.

Its hillary would do more damage to the country.

"She might be wrong about a lot of things, but at least she's wrong within the boundaries that are considered normal for a human being."

Hillary is wrong on everything.

LOL any support for Trump erodes any points one may have.

Seriously. I can't tell if these Trump supporters on OT are actually legit or just acting.

Even if four years of Trump are disastrous it would be worth it if it forced the Democrats to have something resembling principles in 2020.

But instead we'll get another 8 years of Clinton complacency and largely the same foreign and economic polices since like forever. Maybe in 2024 people will be pissed off enough to do something.

That he has endorsed Hillary calls into question the sincerity of everything he said during his campaign and every principle that he purportedly espoused.

I hope that I won't be the only former Bernie supporter who decides that Trump is more deserving of a vote than Clinton.

I'd rather the strings of the White House puppet were pulled by President Vladimir Putin than by King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud.

You should worry about your own nut job PM over our politics.

I am more alamred that people are just learning how shady American politics are.

Amen to that.

haha my country is in a great spot and I'm more than happy with our PM's current mandate, but I appreciate the concern. <3

@Aljosa23: Agreed. It's great over here in Canada and Justin Trudeau is pretty awesome.

@Aljosa23:

They must be joking, they can't possibly be serious. Oh well, Hillary/Kaine ticket is going to win the White House, and thankfully Sanders will be assisting.

I believe Bernie Sanders was in on it from the beginning. He knew he had no shot. He knew that it was pre-determined that Hillary would be the nominee.

I believe he did everything he did in an attempt to push the United States more to the left and for a position in Hillary's White House that will allow him to do that.

I also believe Hillary will screw him over royally when she gets elected. The Clintons hold grudges a long time and Bernie made her look bad this election. The DNC is showing it. Someone will have to pay and it will be Bernie.

He certainly compromised on his ideals.

@sonicare:

No, he realizes his ideals will be better served in the short-term with Hillary Clinton as president, biding his time until someone more progressive comes along.