Do You Like The Beatles Yes/No and why

[QUOTE="rocknrollmonkey"]

So your saying a band with all guys is a boy band. So i guess that makes almost all metal, rap, and rock bands little boy bands. I mean im just using the knowledge that you gave me:P

dracula_16

No. You're still not understanding. A band that has legions of little girls as their main audience, uses gimmicky hooks in the choruses, has lyrics about love, and markets their appearance more than their music is a boy band.

i doubt most people would agree with you that the beatles cared more about their appearance than thier music

P.S. A lot of rock, metal, and rap bands have a lot of girl fans too dude

For people saying they're pop:

This is not pop, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WuJ3EvNh-0

This is not pop, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87yq372R4Ts

This is not pop, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViJJRbiN9VA

This is not pop, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6kfPnNMGKA

This is not pop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k4PBNWUQEo

Wouldn't let me link those for some reason :(

yabbicoke

[QUOTE="rocknrollmonkey"]

So your saying a band with all guys is a boy band. So i guess that makes almost all metal, rap, and rock bands little boy bands. I mean im just using the knowledge that you gave me:P

dracula_16

No. You're still not understanding. A band that has legions of little girls as their main audience, uses gimmicky hooks in the choruses, has lyrics about love, and markets their appearance more than their music is a boy band.

All you're doing is describing the early Beatles. After the Beatles went to India and stopped touring (focusing on just studio work) they dropped that whole persona. They were one of the most diversified groups ever, covering stuff from folk to hard rock. It's ridiculous to claim things that contradict historical fact, look it up anywhere. 1965-1969, the Beatles greatly matured, both inpersonalityand in musical style. And again, you're describing their early work, 1965 onwards they have very few songs about love. In fact, there songs were very different at the time, ask someone from the 60's, they'll know. You should also read about theinnovationsin musical style and new studio recording techniques they invented... there are quite a few of them.

Also, trust me, their main audience was not just "little girls". Just about everyone liked them back then. If you have you associate them with a certain group of people, the counter-culture hippie movement would be much more accurate, since a lot of their folk/psychedelic rock songs became theme songs for the hippie movement. And later on, John and George became pretty big hippies...

I mean, honestly, I don't see how a song like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WuJ3EvNh could be described as a "silly love song by a silly boy band" as you seem to believe.

Yeah. I love The Beatles. They wrote more amazing songs during their six year career than most people will write in a life time. They really set the bar, as far as popular songwriting goes.

I especially like Lennon and Harrison's philosophical views on life. To me, the depth of meaning they brought to the table made their songs all the more better.

Yeah. I love The Beatles. They wrote more amazing songs during their six year career than most people will write in a life time. They really set the bar, as far as popular songwriting goes.

I especially like Lennon and Harrison's philosophical views on life. To me, the depth of meaning they brought to the table made their songs all the more better.

StrawberryHill

Yeah, I know what you mean, I always liked their work much better than Paul's and Ringo's. Songs like "Within You Without You" or "Across the Universe" blow songs like "When I'm Sixty-Four" out of the water.

[QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]

Yeah. I love The Beatles. They wrote more amazing songs during their six year career than most people will write in a life time. They really set the bar, as far as popular songwriting goes.

I especially like Lennon and Harrison's philosophical views on life. To me, the depth of meaning they brought to the table made their songs all the more better.

yabbicoke

Yeah, I know what you mean, I always liked their work much better than Paul's and Ringo's. Songs like "Within You Without You" or "Across the Universe" blow songs like "When I'm Sixty-Four" out of the water.

ya i much prefer Lennon to Ringo, Paul, and George. I also just finished a bio on lennon in school

[QUOTE="yabbicoke"][QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]

Yeah. I love The Beatles. They wrote more amazing songs during their six year career than most people will write in a life time. They really set the bar, as far as popular songwriting goes.

I especially like Lennon and Harrison's philosophical views on life. To me, the depth of meaning they brought to the table made their songs all the more better.

rocknrollmonkey

Yeah, I know what you mean, I always liked their work much better than Paul's and Ringo's. Songs like "Within You Without You" or "Across the Universe" blow songs like "When I'm Sixty-Four" out of the water.

ya i much prefer Lennon to Ringo, Paul, and George. I also just finished a bio on lennon in school

Cheers, Yabbi and Monkey. :)

[QUOTE="yabbicoke"][QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]

Yeah. I love The Beatles. They wrote more amazing songs during their six year career than most people will write in a life time. They really set the bar, as far as popular songwriting goes.

I especially like Lennon and Harrison's philosophical views on life. To me, the depth of meaning they brought to the table made their songs all the more better.

rocknrollmonkey

Yeah, I know what you mean, I always liked their work much better than Paul's and Ringo's. Songs like "Within You Without You" or "Across the Universe" blow songs like "When I'm Sixty-Four" out of the water.

ya i much prefer Lennon to Ringo, Paul, and George. I also just finished a bio on lennon in school

I feel Lennon's work within The Beatles was probably either equal to the other three's work or maybe just a tiny bit better. Unfortunately, when they split up his songwriting went for a massive tailspin. :( I'll use the ol' scapegoat and blame Yoko Ono. :P

[QUOTE="rocknrollmonkey"][QUOTE="yabbicoke"][QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]

Yeah. I love The Beatles. They wrote more amazing songs during their six year career than most people will write in a life time. They really set the bar, as far as popular songwriting goes.

I especially like Lennon and Harrison's philosophical views on life. To me, the depth of meaning they brought to the table made their songs all the more better.

Lockedge

Yeah, I know what you mean, I always liked their work much better than Paul's and Ringo's. Songs like "Within You Without You" or "Across the Universe" blow songs like "When I'm Sixty-Four" out of the water.

ya i much prefer Lennon to Ringo, Paul, and George. I also just finished a bio on lennon in school

I feel Lennon's work within The Beatles was probably either equal to the other three's work or maybe just a tiny bit better. Unfortunately, when they split up his songwriting went for a massive tailspin. :( I'll use the ol' scapegoat and blame Yoko Ono. :P

I agree. If there were no Yoko Ono, the Beatles wouldn't have split up :(

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="rocknrollmonkey"][QUOTE="yabbicoke"][QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]

Yeah. I love The Beatles. They wrote more amazing songs during their six year career than most people will write in a life time. They really set the bar, as far as popular songwriting goes.

I especially like Lennon and Harrison's philosophical views on life. To me, the depth of meaning they brought to the table made their songs all the more better.

mastetofthedark

Yeah, I know what you mean, I always liked their work much better than Paul's and Ringo's. Songs like "Within You Without You" or "Across the Universe" blow songs like "When I'm Sixty-Four" out of the water.

ya i much prefer Lennon to Ringo, Paul, and George. I also just finished a bio on lennon in school

I feel Lennon's work within The Beatles was probably either equal to the other three's work or maybe just a tiny bit better. Unfortunately, when they split up his songwriting went for a massive tailspin. :( I'll use the ol' scapegoat and blame Yoko Ono. :P

I agree. If there were no Yoko Ono, the Beatles wouldn't have split up :(

[QUOTE="mastetofthedark"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="rocknrollmonkey"][QUOTE="yabbicoke"][QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]

Yeah. I love The Beatles. They wrote more amazing songs during their six year career than most people will write in a life time. They really set the bar, as far as popular songwriting goes.

I especially like Lennon and Harrison's philosophical views on life. To me, the depth of meaning they brought to the table made their songs all the more better.

kurtoronie

Yeah, I know what you mean, I always liked their work much better than Paul's and Ringo's. Songs like "Within You Without You" or "Across the Universe" blow songs like "When I'm Sixty-Four" out of the water.

ya i much prefer Lennon to Ringo, Paul, and George. I also just finished a bio on lennon in school

I feel Lennon's work within The Beatles was probably either equal to the other three's work or maybe just a tiny bit better. Unfortunately, when they split up his songwriting went for a massive tailspin. :( I'll use the ol' scapegoat and blame Yoko Ono. :P

I agree. If there were no Yoko Ono, the Beatles wouldn't have split up :(

[QUOTE="kurtoronie"][QUOTE="mastetofthedark"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="rocknrollmonkey"][QUOTE="yabbicoke"][QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]

Yeah. I love The Beatles. They wrote more amazing songs during their six year career than most people will write in a life time. They really set the bar, as far as popular songwriting goes.

I especially like Lennon and Harrison's philosophical views on life. To me, the depth of meaning they brought to the table made their songs all the more better.

R0cky_Racc00n

Yeah, I know what you mean, I always liked their work much better than Paul's and Ringo's. Songs like "Within You Without You" or "Across the Universe" blow songs like "When I'm Sixty-Four" out of the water.

ya i much prefer Lennon to Ringo, Paul, and George. I also just finished a bio on lennon in school

I feel Lennon's work within The Beatles was probably either equal to the other three's work or maybe just a tiny bit better. Unfortunately, when they split up his songwriting went for a massive tailspin. :( I'll use the ol' scapegoat and blame Yoko Ono. :P

I agree. If there were no Yoko Ono, the Beatles wouldn't have split up :(

Do you mean, "All Things Must Pass"? Yeah...that album is great.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="rocknrollmonkey"][QUOTE="yabbicoke"][QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]

Yeah. I love The Beatles. They wrote more amazing songs during their six year career than most people will write in a life time. They really set the bar, as far as popular songwriting goes.

I especially like Lennon and Harrison's philosophical views on life. To me, the depth of meaning they brought to the table made their songs all the more better.

mastetofthedark

Yeah, I know what you mean, I always liked their work much better than Paul's and Ringo's. Songs like "Within You Without You" or "Across the Universe" blow songs like "When I'm Sixty-Four" out of the water.

ya i much prefer Lennon to Ringo, Paul, and George. I also just finished a bio on lennon in school

I feel Lennon's work within The Beatles was probably either equal to the other three's work or maybe just a tiny bit better. Unfortunately, when they split up his songwriting went for a massive tailspin. :( I'll use the ol' scapegoat and blame Yoko Ono. :P

I agree. If there were no Yoko Ono, the Beatles wouldn't have split up :(

Rocky does this remind u of anything

Now somewhere in the black mountain hills of dakota
There lived a young boy named rocky raccoon
And one day his woman ran off with another guy
Hit young rocky in the eye rocky didn't like that
He said i'm gonna get that boy
So one day he walked into town
Booked himself a room in the local saloon.

Rocky raccoon checked into his room
Only to find gideon's bible
Rocky had come equipped with a gun
To shoot off the legs of his rival
His rival it seems had broken his dreams
By stealing the girl of his fancy.
Her name was magil and she called herself lil
But everyone knew her as nancy.
Now she and her man who called himself dan
Were in the next room at the hoe down
Rocky burst in and grinning a grin
He said danny boy this is a showdown
But daniel was hot-he drew first and shot
And rocky collapsed in the corner.

Now the doctor came in stinking of gin
And proceeded to lie on the table
He said rocky you met your match
And rocky said, doc it's only a scratch
And i'll be better i'll be better doc as soon as i am able.

Now rocky raccoon he fell back in his room
Only to find gideon's bible
Gideon checked out and he left it no doubt
To help with good rocky's revival.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]Nope, I don't like pop.mastetofthedark

The Beatles weren't pop. They were rock. The Beatles MADE music :)

They were pop, but back then the masses were able to distinguish what's talent and what's not.

[QUOTE="mastetofthedark"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="rocknrollmonkey"][QUOTE="yabbicoke"][QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]

Yeah. I love The Beatles. They wrote more amazing songs during their six year career than most people will write in a life time. They really set the bar, as far as popular songwriting goes.

I especially like Lennon and Harrison's philosophical views on life. To me, the depth of meaning they brought to the table made their songs all the more better.

kurtoronie

Yeah, I know what you mean, I always liked their work much better than Paul's and Ringo's. Songs like "Within You Without You" or "Across the Universe" blow songs like "When I'm Sixty-Four" out of the water.

ya i much prefer Lennon to Ringo, Paul, and George. I also just finished a bio on lennon in school

I feel Lennon's work within The Beatles was probably either equal to the other three's work or maybe just a tiny bit better. Unfortunately, when they split up his songwriting went for a massive tailspin. :( I'll use the ol' scapegoat and blame Yoko Ono. :P

I agree. If there were no Yoko Ono, the Beatles wouldn't have split up :(

It seemed, at least to me, that Lennon and McCartney's egos were getting much too large for them to work together. Whatever happened to getting by with a little help from their friends? :P

[QUOTE="kurtoronie"][QUOTE="mastetofthedark"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="rocknrollmonkey"][QUOTE="yabbicoke"][QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]

Yeah. I love The Beatles. They wrote more amazing songs during their six year career than most people will write in a life time. They really set the bar, as far as popular songwriting goes.

I especially like Lennon and Harrison's philosophical views on life. To me, the depth of meaning they brought to the table made their songs all the more better.

R0cky_Racc00n

Yeah, I know what you mean, I always liked their work much better than Paul's and Ringo's. Songs like "Within You Without You" or "Across the Universe" blow songs like "When I'm Sixty-Four" out of the water.

ya i much prefer Lennon to Ringo, Paul, and George. I also just finished a bio on lennon in school

I feel Lennon's work within The Beatles was probably either equal to the other three's work or maybe just a tiny bit better. Unfortunately, when they split up his songwriting went for a massive tailspin. :( I'll use the ol' scapegoat and blame Yoko Ono. :P

I agree. If there were no Yoko Ono, the Beatles wouldn't have split up :(

George and Paul made some excellent music after the break-up. I actually enjoyed George's work more than a lot of the Beatles' songs.

[QUOTE="R0cky_Racc00n"][QUOTE="kurtoronie"][QUOTE="mastetofthedark"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="rocknrollmonkey"][QUOTE="yabbicoke"][QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]

Yeah. I love The Beatles. They wrote more amazing songs during their six year career than most people will write in a life time. They really set the bar, as far as popular songwriting goes.

I especially like Lennon and Harrison's philosophical views on life. To me, the depth of meaning they brought to the table made their songs all the more better.

Lockedge

Yeah, I know what you mean, I always liked their work much better than Paul's and Ringo's. Songs like "Within You Without You" or "Across the Universe" blow songs like "When I'm Sixty-Four" out of the water.

ya i much prefer Lennon to Ringo, Paul, and George. I also just finished a bio on lennon in school

I feel Lennon's work within The Beatles was probably either equal to the other three's work or maybe just a tiny bit better. Unfortunately, when they split up his songwriting went for a massive tailspin. :( I'll use the ol' scapegoat and blame Yoko Ono. :P

I agree. If there were no Yoko Ono, the Beatles wouldn't have split up :(

George and Paul made some excellent music after the break-up. I actually enjoyed George's work more than a lot of the Beatles' songs.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="R0cky_Racc00n"][QUOTE="kurtoronie"][QUOTE="mastetofthedark"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="rocknrollmonkey"][QUOTE="yabbicoke"][QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]

Yeah. I love The Beatles. They wrote more amazing songs during their six year career than most people will write in a life time. They really set the bar, as far as popular songwriting goes.

I especially like Lennon and Harrison's philosophical views on life. To me, the depth of meaning they brought to the table made their songs all the more better.

rocknrollmonkey

Yeah, I know what you mean, I always liked their work much better than Paul's and Ringo's. Songs like "Within You Without You" or "Across the Universe" blow songs like "When I'm Sixty-Four" out of the water.

ya i much prefer Lennon to Ringo, Paul, and George. I also just finished a bio on lennon in school

I feel Lennon's work within The Beatles was probably either equal to the other three's work or maybe just a tiny bit better. Unfortunately, when they split up his songwriting went for a massive tailspin. :( I'll use the ol' scapegoat and blame Yoko Ono. :P

I agree. If there were no Yoko Ono, the Beatles wouldn't have split up :(

George and Paul made some excellent music after the break-up. I actually enjoyed George's work more than a lot of the Beatles' songs.

I personally felt John only released maybe 2 good songs post-Beatles. I really didn't dig his solo stuff. :(

I love The Beatles' music. Other worldly when it comes to music and in their own league when it comes to writing. I often hear people say that were overrated. I firmly believe that these people are either too young to know what they're talking about, have the mind capacity of a prepubescent youth, or simply know nothing and are bitter about their musical impotence.Hey_Jay

:P I feel the beatles are overrated, but only because they're heralded as the best band ever and the best musicians/songwriters ever. Best? Nope. Top tier? Definitely.

[QUOTE="Hey_Jay"]I love The Beatles' music. Other worldly when it comes to music and in their own league when it comes to writing. I often hear people say that were overrated. I firmly believe that these people are either too young to know what they're talking about, have the mind capacity of a prepubescent youth, or simply know nothing and are bitter about their musical impotence.Lockedge

:P I feel the beatles are overrated, but only because they're heralded as the best band ever and the best musicians/songwriters ever. Best? Nope. Top tier? Definitely.

Well, when you put it that way. :P

Out of curiosity, who do you believe is the best musician(s)/songwriter(s)? Or Or... Do you believe there can be a "best" ?

[QUOTE="Lockedge"]

[QUOTE="Hey_Jay"]I love The Beatles' music. Other worldly when it comes to music and in their own league when it comes to writing. I often hear people say that were overrated. I firmly believe that these people are either too young to know what they're talking about, have the mind capacity of a prepubescent youth, or simply know nothing and are bitter about their musical impotence.Hey_Jay

:P I feel the beatles are overrated, but only because they're heralded as the best band ever and the best musicians/songwriters ever. Best? Nope. Top tier? Definitely.

Well, when you put it that way. :P

Out of curiosity, who do you believe is the best musician(s)/songwriter(s)? Or Or... Do you believe there can be a "best" ?

I don't believe there can be a best, in anything musical. No most innovative, no most talented, no best songwriter, etc. etc.

I believe in tiers, or a hierarchy system, because some musicians and groups are elite enough to be considered top-tier, some are great and just fall short of that top-tier, etc.

I figure that way there's more of a middle ground, and a better chance of getting an accurate result.

For instance, one of my favourite musicians, Matthew Good, would probably be 3rd tier. He didn't innovate and establish new genres or sounds, or break new ground, and he hasn't strung out classic album after classic album. He's experimented with his sound and the themes of his music across his entire career, but in the end he could be realistically lumped in with a few hundred other incredibly solid acts who have released incredibly enjoyable albums that do what they do very well. Just becauseI enjoy his music more than Bob Dylan's music doesn't mean he's better than Bob Dylan.

I don't believe there can be a best, in anything musical. No most innovative, no most talented, no best songwriter, etc. etc.

I believe in tiers, or a hierarchy system, because some musicians and groups are elite enough to be considered top-tier, some are great and just fall short of that top-tier, etc.

I figure that way there's more of a middle ground, and a better chance of getting an accurate result.

For instance, one of my favourite musicians, Matthew Good, would probably be 3rd tier. He didn't innovate and establish new genres or sounds, or break new ground, and he hasn't strung out classic album after classic album. He's experimented with his sound and the themes of his music across his entire career, but in the end he could be realistically lumped in with a few hundred other incredibly solid acts who have released incredibly enjoyable albums that do what they do very well. Just becauseI enjoy his music more than Bob Dylan's music doesn't mean he's better than Bob Dylan.

Lockedge

I hear you...

... and Matthew Good... 8)

I don't really like them. They are good musicians, yes, but they just don't appeal to me. I get bored whenever I start listening to them. :|

I do agree that they had a huge influence on Rock music as a whole.

Yeah I like The Beatles. I think they are overrated but they have alot of great music. White Album is probably in my top 10.

No.

Short answer: theyre too pop. I dont really like upbeat, cheery music...life is beautiful enough, when I listen to music I want some contrast.

I acknowledge the Beatles as an extremely important group, but I just think theyre overrated none the less. My roommate is a huuuuuuge Beatles fan and I asked why and he was like "they revolutionised music; I mean, they brought the Sitar (sp?) into rock and now its in a lot of songs" and I just could not help but think "Well, if they didnt do it, someone else would have"

Thats a bad mentality, however, because that thought process applies to everything.

Still, as good as they are, I just dont like them except for a few songs.