Do you Believe in evolution or creationism?

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[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="ColdRush88"]Evolution for me. For a God to have created humans in a day then there would have to be no dinosaurs. I think.MattUD1

Are the quotation marks really necessary? I mean, when I'm talking about other deities, I don't say "Vishnu" or "Thor".

Eh, I'm feeling nit-picky today. Blame it on the Monster I drank earlier. :P

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="ColdRush88"]Evolution for me. For a God to have created humans in a day then there would have to be no dinosaurs. I think.ColdRush88

I'm confused. lol. I've just always argued that if God created the world and humans, then humans came before dinosaurs. Which we know isn't true.

Confusing myself... :?

[QUOTE="ishoturface"]the big bang and evolution do have something to do with each other if the big bang supposedly happened then the theory of evolution would have neveer come upDracargen

Duh, evolution was thought up before the Big Bang. . .

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[QUOTE="ishoturface"]the big bang and evolution do have something to do with each other if the big bang supposedly happened then the theory of evolution would have neveer come upThePlothole

Duh, evolution was thought up before the Big Bang. . .

I haven't read the whole Bible, so if you could kindly point out the verse that describes the age of the Earth. . .

More than anything, I'm curious what the "Other" voters believe. Deism?Bio_Spark

I've heard of atheists who don't believe in evolution. Though, that would fall under the "neither" category. . .

I don't think belief is really the right way to describe it.

I see with my own two little eyes that evolution has a great deal of evidence in support of it. I have yet to hear a theory about the development of life on this planet that takes into account all the facts and provides as much evidence and proof through experimentation that evolution does.

Creationism has absolutely no proof behind it save the interpretation of a specific group of biblical literalist of a document that is over two thousand years old and makes no attempt to scientifically understand the workings of our planet.

Thus, I agree with the evidence behind evolution much more than I agree with the absence of evidence for creationism.

Belief should not have a place in science, just fact. For that reason I selected other.

As usual, I won't post in the Religion thread, but like most, this will likely be a huge one, so I'm asserting my presence here now. I will be wathcing this thread...so make it enlightening.

PS: The post directly below this one will be 1)Smitten by God by way of having to watch Ben Stein's crappy documentary on creationism if poster believes in evolution, or 2) exposed to radiation, and will evolve themselves a tail, making them a pariah for life if poster believes in creationism.

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[QUOTE="ishoturface"]the big bang and evolution do have something to do with each other if the big bang supposedly happened then the theory of evolution would have neveer come upDracargen

Duh, evolution was thought up before the Big Bang. . .

I haven't read the whole Bible, so if you could kindly point out the verse that describes the age of the Earth. . .

A number of individuals have used the ages of the characters in the bible in order to calculate a date for the earth. So you get 7 days before adam and then caculate the age of all his descendents, subtracting the age which they had their firstborn (and subsequently age given) child. Most biblical literalists place the age of the earth around 10,000 years.

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[QUOTE="ishoturface"]the big bang and evolution do have something to do with each other if the big bang supposedly happened then the theory of evolution would have neveer come upInsane00

Duh, evolution was thought up before the Big Bang. . .

I haven't read the whole Bible, so if you could kindly point out the verse that describes the age of the Earth. . .

A number of individuals have used the ages of the characters in the bible in order to calculate a date for the earth. So you get 7 days before adam and then caculate the age of all his descendents, subtracting the age which they had their firstborn (and subsequently age given) child. Most biblical literalists place the age of the earth around 10,000 years.

The issues here are

1. We don't even know if those people actually lived that long, as they could have been given those high ages to represent the level of respect they commanded,

2. These dating methods rely on the reading of a text, and

3. These readings have long-since been shown to be flawed, as the word "begot" doesn't always mean "X was the son of Y;" sometimes it means "X was the great-grandson of Y," so the guessed date can be off by thousands of years.

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[QUOTE="ishoturface"]the big bang and evolution do have something to do with each other if the big bang supposedly happened then the theory of evolution would have neveer come upInsane00

Duh, evolution was thought up before the Big Bang. . .

I haven't read the whole Bible, so if you could kindly point out the verse that describes the age of the Earth. . .

A number of individuals have used the ages of the characters in the bible in order to calculate a date for the earth. So you get 7 days before adam and then calculate the age of all his descendants, subtracting the age which they had their firstborn (and subsequently age given) child. Most biblical literalists place the age of the earth around 10,000 years.

I'll never understand how people can believe the earth is only 10,000 years old. When there is so much evidence for it being billions of years old.

Evolution

We can see natrual selection happening right now.... so yeah.

Can I believe in both?Devouring_One

You can, but then you'll be hated by people on both sides of the fence.:|

As usual, I won't post in the Religion thread, but like most, this will likely be a huge one, so I'm asserting my presence here now. I will be wathcing this thread...so make it enlightening.

PS: The post directly below this one will be 1)Smitten by God by way of having to watch Ben Stein's crappy documentary on creationism if poster believes in evolution, or 2) exposed to radiation, and will evolve themselves a tail, making them a pariah for life if poster believes in creationism.

Fortier

lol good comment. btw i like you sig, Circa Survive is awesome!

[QUOTE="Insane00"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="ishoturface"]the big bang and evolution do have something to do with each other if the big bang supposedly happened then the theory of evolution would have neveer come upDracargen

Duh, evolution was thought up before the Big Bang. . .

I haven't read the whole Bible, so if you could kindly point out the verse that describes the age of the Earth. . .

A number of individuals have used the ages of the characters in the bible in order to calculate a date for the earth. So you get 7 days before adam and then caculate the age of all his descendents, subtracting the age which they had their firstborn (and subsequently age given) child. Most biblical literalists place the age of the earth around 10,000 years.

The issues here are

1. We don't even know if those people actually lived that long, as they could have been given those high ages to represent the level of respect they commanded,

2. These dating methods rely on the reading of a text, and

3. These readings have long-since been shown to be flawed, as the word "begot" doesn't always mean "X was the son of Y;" sometimes it means "X was the great-grandson of Y," so the guessed date can be off by thousands of years.

Indeed, this is the problem with taking any cultural document as complete and total fact without any license by the author. However there are a great number of individuals in the world that believe that every single word in the bible is literally exactly what they see it as and cannot be interpretted or checked for original meaning. In fact there are people that go so far as to teach that dinos and humans lived together (and tell me where the description of the giant lizard is in the bible, oh wait there isn't one). So my point is that while you are certainly aware enough to see the problems in dating the earth through biblical text, a great number of people don't.

Can I believe in both?Devouring_One

One can believe in God and evolution, but creationism and evolution is a different matter.

I'll never understand how people can believe the earth is only 10,000 years old. When there is so much evidence for it being billions of years old.

ColdRush88

Indeed. I have always felt that people under the impression that the earth is so young either ignore all scientific evidence or they believe that God is the biggest practical joker/mad scientist ever for creating a planet with the physical evidence of being 4.6 billion years old while in actuality it is only 10,000.

Indeed, this is the problem with taking any cultural document as complete and total fact without any license by the author. However there are a great number of individuals in the world that believe that every single word in the bible is literally exactly what they see it as and cannot be interpretted or checked for original meaning. In fact there are people that go so far as to teach that dinos and humans lived together (and tell me where the description of the giant lizard is in the bible, oh wait there isn't one). So my point is that while you are certainly aware enough to see the problems in dating the earth through biblical text, a great number of people don't.

Insane00

Actually, there are a few verses that mention "great leviathans" and monsters, which are generally thought to be dinosaurs by YECs.

What really irks me about "literal" interpretations is that there is not a single living person who takes the entire Bible literally, yet they (those who think they do) accuse Christians who don't as not being True Christians.

[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]Can I believe in both?Rhazakna

One can believe in God and evolution, but creationism and evolution is a different matter.

How's that?:|

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[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]Can I believe in both?Dracargen

One can believe in God and evolution, but creationism and evolution is a different matter.

How's that?:|

Creationism is the idea that humans were created directly by god. You can say god used evolution, but that isn't creationism, at least not in it's most often used sense.

[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]Can I believe in both?Dracargen

You can, but then you'll be hated by people on both sides of the fence.:|

I believe in creationism. Billions of years of things randomly mutating into higher life forms just seems silly and the Big Bang just seems pretty silly, too. Half-Life_man

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[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]Can I believe in both?Dracargen

One can believe in God and evolution, but creationism and evolution is a different matter.

How's that?:|

I believe in creationism. Billions of years of things randomly mutating into higher life forms just seems silly and the Big Bang just seems pretty silly, too. Half-Life_man

I believe in creationism. Billions of years of things randomly mutating into higher life forms just seems silly and the Big Bang just seems pretty silly, too. Half-Life_man

I believe in creationism. Billions of years of things randomly mutating into higher life forms just seems silly and the Big Bang just seems pretty silly, too. Half-Life_man

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[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]Can I believe in both?Rhazakna

One can believe in God and evolution, but creationism and evolution is a different matter.

How's that?:|

Creationism is the idea that humans were created directly by god. You can say god used evolution, but that isn't creationism, at least not in it's most often used sense.

Created by God = creationism. The method God used doesn't matter.

Created by aliens = creationism, too.

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[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]Can I believe in both?MattUD1

You can, but then you'll be hated by people on both sides of the fence.:|

I didn't say everyone.:D

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I'm glad this poll is going the way it is, at least.

Junkie_man

4 votes for creationism is 4 too many people who didn't pay enough attention in biology.

You two give atheists a bad name. Seriously, if you do not believe in a Deity, that is fine, but do not act like you are smarter than everyone else and act as though people who believe in a religion are idiots. Biology/Science/Chemistry is my favorite subject, and I know a LOT about evolution and the Big Bang theory. Yet I still Believe in Creationism. Does that make me an idiot?

To me, there is a lot of proof for Creationism, but not the conventional evidence that you can take a picture of. I also believe in Evolution because there is evidence for that also. Creationism is ridiculous without Evolution, and Evolution is ridiculous without Creationism. They work together PERFECTLY, yet Atheists and Believers are too stubborn to see.

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[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]Can I believe in both?Dracargen

One can believe in God and evolution, but creationism and evolution is a different matter.

How's that?:|

Creationism is the idea that humans were created directly by god. You can say god used evolution, but that isn't creationism, at least not in it's most often used sense.

Created by God = creationism. The method God used doesn't matter.

Created by aliens = creationism, too.

Most people who think it was aliens consider themselves believers in "intelligent design", not creationism. Nonetheless, both scenarios leave evolution out of the picture.

[QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="Bio_Spark"]

I'm glad this poll is going the way it is, at least.

FatMan1945

4 votes for creationism is 4 too many people who didn't pay enough attention in biology.

You two give atheists a bad name. Seriously, if you do not believe in a Deity, that is fine, but do not act like you are smarter than everyone else and act as though people who believe in a religion are idiots. Biology/Science/Chemistry is my favorite subject, and I know a LOT about evolution and the Big Bang theory. Yet I still Believe in Creationism. Does that make me an idiot?

To me, there is a lot of proof for Creationism, but not the conventional evidence that you can take a picture of. I also believe in Evolution because there is evidence for that also. Creationism is ridiculous without Evolution, and Evolution is ridiculous without Creationism. They work together PERFECTLY, yet Atheists and Believers are too stubborn to see.

Created by God = creationism. The method God used doesn't matter.

Created by aliens = creationism, too.

Dracargen

The dictionary defines "creationism" as "the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed". Generally speaking, creationism refers to the specific belief that everything existing today was put there by God, rather than by species evolving into other species.

You can argue about whether this should be the case, but arguing over dictionary definitions has led in 100% of cases to no productive result. :P

Most people who think it was aliens consider themselves believers in "intelligent design", not creationism. Nonetheless, both scenarios leave evolution out of the picture.

Rhazakna

Ahh, but what's the difference between Intelligent Design and creationism?:D

I actually consider myself an ID theorist, simply because the title fits better than "Theistic evolutionist."

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

[QUOTE="Devouring_One"]Can I believe in both?Rhazakna

One can believe in God and evolution, but creationism and evolution is a different matter.

How's that?:|

Creationism is the idea that humans were created directly by god. You can say god used evolution, but that isn't creationism, at least not in it's most often used sense.

Created by God = creationism. The method God used doesn't matter.

Created by aliens = creationism, too.

Most people who think it was aliens consider themselves believers in "intelligent design", not creationism. Nonetheless, both scenarios leave evolution out of the picture.

[QUOTE="Junkie_man"][QUOTE="Bio_Spark"]

I'm glad this poll is going the way it is, at least.

FatMan1945

4 votes for creationism is 4 too many people who didn't pay enough attention in biology.

You two give atheists a bad name. Seriously, if you do not believe in a Deity, that is fine, but do not act like you are smarter than everyone else and act as though people who believe in a religion are idiots. Biology/Science/Chemistry is my favorite subject, and I know a LOT about evolution and the Big Bang theory. Yet I still Believe in Creationism. Does that make me an idiot?

To me, there is a lot of proof for Creationism, but not the conventional evidence that you can take a picture of. I also believe in Evolution because there is evidence for that also. Creationism is ridiculous without Evolution, and Evolution is ridiculous without Creationism. They work together PERFECTLY, yet Atheists and Believers are too stubborn to see.

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Most people who think it was aliens consider themselves believers in "intelligent design", not creationism. Nonetheless, both scenarios leave evolution out of the picture.

Dracargen

Ahh, but what's the difference between Intelligent Design and creationism?:D

I actually consider myself an ID theorist, simply because the title fits better than "Theistic evolutionist."

In ID thought, the designer is amorphous. Possibly deistic, or aliens or something else. Creationist generally believe a theistic religious god created everything how it is now.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

Most people who think it was aliens consider themselves believers in "intelligent design", not creationism. Nonetheless, both scenarios leave evolution out of the picture.

Dracargen

Ahh, but what's the difference between Intelligent Design and creationism?:D

I actually consider myself and ID theorist, simply because the title fits better than "Theistic evolutionist."

Here we go.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Created by God = creationism. The method God used doesn't matter.

Created by aliens = creationism, too.

GabuEx

The dictionary defines "creationism" as "the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed". Generally speaking, creationism refers to the specific belief that everything existing today was put there by God, rather than by species evolving into other species.

You can argue about whether this should be the case, but arguing over dictionary definitions has led in 100% of cases to no productive result. :P

I don't believe in using the dictionary to define a philosophical belief.

Wikipedia says it well enough:

"Creationism is a religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe were created in their original form by a deity (often the AbrahamicGod of Judaism, Christianity and Islam) or deities, whose existence is presupposed.[1] In relation to the creation-evolution controversy the term creationism (or strict creationism) is commonly used to refer to religiously-motivated rejection of evolution.

Such beliefs include young Earth creationism, which takes Book of Genesisliterally, while Old Earth creationism accepts geological findings but rejects evolution. The term theistic evolution has been coined to refer to beliefs in creation which are more compatible with the scientific view of evolution and the age of the Earth."

produce this evidence plzfanofazrienoch

Why does anything exist?

My inability to reasonably answer that question without coming back to the idea that something must have created it was basically what led to my belief in some form of universal creator. The option that the universe is just an eternal repeating oscillation (singularity - big bang - expansion - expansion slows down - contraction - back to singularity) was dealt a pretty severe blow when scientists found that the expansion of the universe was not slowing down, but instead was speeding up.

Of course, then one could ask the question of "where did the creator come from?", which is a fair question, but a completely different question irrelevant to this one.