Do you Believe in evolution or creationism?

They both claim to have emmanated from the Creator.......................................................................

Probably one in the same... or one has to die!

Couch_Couchen

Earlier you mentioned being the referee. I rarely argue in these evolution/creation debates as I'm more of a theologian than a scientist. In otherwords, I suck at arguing outside of stating basic beliefs. Those who debate on the side of creationism does not seem to be on at the moment sadly.

creationsim, simply because it has an explanation as to how life began. I don't see that in evolution.mohfrontline

That's because evolution isn't suppose to explain the origins of life, but the variations of it. That's a simple fact that many creationists, like you, seem to get confused over.

Why do I even bother, actually? This whole thread is months old and posting in here--hoping for positive results--is like throwing a pebble into the ocean and expectating a tidal wave to form.

Story time-

One weekend when I was a kid, I went to a Christian camp with my church youth group. We went on this "creation" walk where genesis was explained in depth. After the walk we had a little Q&A time. So I asked "If evolution never happened, and the Earth is only 6,000 years old, where are the descriptions of dinosaurs in the Bible and other early written works."

She told me dinosaurs where in the Bible. She pulled up some obscure Bible verse about some strange creature and used this as proof of dinosaurs walking with man. She then told me that "dragons" in early myths and legends, were depictions of dinosaurs. Needless to say I facepalmed....hard.

I let it slip by though and asked another question, "Why couldn't God have just taken billions of years to create Earth, and seven days to him are like seven hundred billion years to us." This made perfect sense to me as they had told us the day before in a sermon that God percieved time like a photograph. Seeing the beginning and the end at the same time. Why then seven days?

Her answer was that God made it in seven days solely to set our week......:roll:

I then sat quietly and listened as she, and a bunch of the other kids, bashed Darwin (the person, not even his theory) for close to ten minutes like he was the anti-christ.

I think sometimes Christians get so worked up over little details and certain passages, that they COMPLETELY miss the point of Christianity.

mfacek

^^^ Why I've been atheist at all in my life.

Story time-

One weekend when I was a kid, I went to a Christian camp with my church youth group. We went on this "creation" walk where genesis was explained in depth. After the walk we had a little Q&A time. So I asked "If evolution never happened, and the Earth is only 6,000 years old, where are the descriptions of dinosaurs in the Bible and other early written works."

She told me dinosaurs where in the Bible. She pulled up some obscure Bible verse about some strange creature and used this as proof of dinosaurs walking with man. She then told me that "dragons" in early myths and legends, were depictions of dinosaurs. Needless to say I facepalmed....hard.

I let it slip by though and asked another question, "Why couldn't God have just taken billions of years to create Earth, and seven days to him are like seven hundred billion years to us." This made perfect sense to me as they had told us the day before in a sermon that God percieved time like a photograph. Seeing the beginning and the end at the same time. Why then seven days?

Her answer was that God made it in seven days solely to set our week......:roll:

I then sat quietly and listened as she, and a bunch of the other kids, bashed Darwin (the person, not even his theory) for close to ten minutes like he was the anti-christ.

I think sometimes Christians get so worked up over little details and certain passages, that they COMPLETELY miss the point of Christianity.

mfacek

I do not disagree with this specific statement. That doesn't mean one shouldn't study those "little details" however.

But, seriously, what if EVERY evolutionary scientist was as wrong as that guy with George. W.'s evolution? Scary yet plausible.

Couch_Couchen

I would say that any credible biologist would not use that suggestion. I don't think it's scary at all, considering how much evolution has done to medical sciences.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

But, seriously, what if EVERY evolutionary scientist was as wrong as that guy with George. W.'s evolution? Scary yet plausible.

Genetic_Code

I would say that any credible biologist would not use that suggestion, but I can't tell if that person was being serious because he posted YouTube videos of Ken Miller, who is an Intelligent Design activist. I don't think it's scary at all, considering how much evolution has done to medical sciences.

What the hell...

I didn't say that.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

But, seriously, what if EVERY evolutionary scientist was as wrong as that guy with George. W.'s evolution? Scary yet plausible.

Genetic_Code

I would say that any credible biologist would not use that suggestion, but I can't tell if that person was being serious because he posted YouTube videos of Ken Miller, who is an Intelligent Design activist. I don't think it's scary at all, considering how much evolution has done to medical sciences.

What the hell...

I didn't say that.

Blood-Scribe

I was trying to quote the two of you and I accidentally merged the quote into one. Sorry about that.

What I was trying to say to you was that this thread was created in May and it's currently October, hence what I meant by five months.

Ken Miller isn't an Intelligent Design activist... zakkro

Oh, my bad. I'm getting confused with Kent Hovind.

Yeah, I like the Biosciences that work with the spread of specific species across the planet (e.g., the mice that came to the Americas with the Vikings and their genotype they brought with them is traceable).

I accidentally typed "Bikings" which either means.. bicycle or Bi-Kings... anyway....

SO LATE.

SO TIRED.

But Christianity is screwed up, no matter how you look at it. It was supposed to fall "apart" eventually, and repeatedly, anyway.

Most of the Churches I've been in lately have had "rumors" or "money issues" or whatever... I'm just pissed off, to be honest.

Oh well, I'm not Christ nor Krishna.

Well... technically, according to the Bible and Gita, I kind of am... but so are you. No biggie.....

REAL BIG no biggie.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

What the hell...

I didn't say that.

Genetic_Code

I was trying to quote the two of you and I accidentally merged the quote into one. Sorry about that.

What I was trying to say to you was that this thread was created in May and it's currently October, hence what I meant by five months.

Oh, I went by last post, not thread creation.

[QUOTE="mfacek"]

Story time-

One weekend when I was a kid, I went to a Christian camp with my church youth group. We went on this "creation" walk where genesis was explained in depth. After the walk we had a little Q&A time. So I asked "If evolution never happened, and the Earth is only 6,000 years old, where are the descriptions of dinosaurs in the Bible and other early written works."

She told me dinosaurs where in the Bible. She pulled up some obscure Bible verse about some strange creature and used this as proof of dinosaurs walking with man. She then told me that "dragons" in early myths and legends, were depictions of dinosaurs. Needless to say I facepalmed....hard.

I let it slip by though and asked another question, "Why couldn't God have just taken billions of years to create Earth, and seven days to him are like seven hundred billion years to us." This made perfect sense to me as they had told us the day before in a sermon that God percieved time like a photograph. Seeing the beginning and the end at the same time. Why then seven days?

Her answer was that God made it in seven days solely to set our week......:roll:

I then sat quietly and listened as she, and a bunch of the other kids, bashed Darwin (the person, not even his theory) for close to ten minutes like he was the anti-christ.

I think sometimes Christians get so worked up over little details and certain passages, that they COMPLETELY miss the point of Christianity.

mindstorm

I do not disagree with this specific statement. That doesn't mean one shouldn't study those "little details" however.

People bashing a subject that they're completely ignorant upon is bad as well, however, especially considering that they went so far out of their way to find the meaning of every single choice that God has ever made... ever, even if it ends up contradicting something they previously said.

I'm speaking of all people, by the way, not just Christians.

[QUOTE="zakkro"]Ken Miller isn't an Intelligent Design activist... Genetic_Code

Oh, my bad. I'm getting confused with Kent Hovind.

Kent Hovind is a topic killer.

Oh well, we're all bored.

ATHEISTS SUCK!

Aaargh zombie thread! Die zombie!!

/spongebob reference.

How about getting rid of the tag creationism and just saying "god did it"?


I believe in Evolution. "Creationism" is absurd, and anybody who believes in it is a bafoone.

IMO LOL!

I think it is absurd to say that the big bang happened it just does not make any sense at allishoturface

No. Creationism doesn't make any sense at all. I kind of want to believe that we will go somewhere after we die, but its not going to happen. I am more a supporter or science, solid reasons, and logical theories.

How about getting rid of the tag creationism and just saying "god did it"?


I believe in Evolution. "Creationism" is absurd, and anybody who believes in it is a bafoone.

IMO LOL!

usaaaaaa

Good ol' irony.

[QUOTE="usaaaaaa"]

How about getting rid of the tag creationism and just saying "god did it"?


I believe in Evolution. "Creationism" is absurd, and anybody who believes in it is a bafoone.

IMO LOL!

domatron23

Good ol' irony.

Good ol' intentional irony.

Regardless, intelligence has nothing to do with grammar and spelling, my good sir.

[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="usaaaaaa"]

How about getting rid of the tag creationism and just saying "god did it"?


I believe in Evolution. "Creationism" is absurd, and anybody who believes in it is a bafoone.

IMO LOL!

usaaaaaa

Good ol' irony.

Good ol' intentional irony.

Regardless, intelligence has nothing to do with grammar and spelling, my good sir.

Meh I'd say there is a fairly good correlation.

Anyways I guess I got self owned.

[QUOTE="usaaaaaa"][QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="usaaaaaa"]

How about getting rid of the tag creationism and just saying "god did it"?


I believe in Evolution. "Creationism" is absurd, and anybody who believes in it is a bafoone.

IMO LOL!

domatron23

Good ol' irony.

Good ol' intentional irony.

Regardless, intelligence has nothing to do with grammar and spelling, my good sir.

Meh I'd say there is a fairly good correlation.

Anyways I guess I got self owned.

it happens to the best of us

Intelligent design, 1 God day=around 1 billion yearsWarDog1994

Intelligent design, 1 God day=around 1 billion yearsWarDog1994

How on earth do you know that?

[QUOTE="WarDog1994"]Intelligent design, 1 God day=around 1 billion yearsithilgore2006