Do illegal Immigrants really take our jobs away?

[QUOTE="SonKev"]why is this even discussed, its so dumb, this is why our nation sucks so much right now, we dont even focus on real issues...DivergeUnify

70 billion a year? That's hardly anything.

National Debt Refresh the page once you're there.

Let me introduce you to the concept of outsourcing...scorch-62

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="SonKev"]why is this even discussed, its so dumb, this is why our nation sucks so much right now, we dont even focus on real issues...dann14v

70 billion a year? That's hardly anything.

National Debt Refresh the page once you're there.

Let me introduce you to the concept of outsourcing...scorch-62

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]Let me introduce you to the concept of outsourcing...dann14v

[QUOTE="dann14v"][QUOTE="scorch-62"]Let me introduce you to the concept of outsourcing...DivergeUnify

But still... only reason why anyone should be complaining. If Americans wanted the jobs that illegal immigrants are supposedly stealing from us, they would have them, and not the immigrant. Complaining about something you don't have that you didn't want in the first place is pointless, and that's all I've seen on the issue that doesn't involve outsourcing. Granted, I have a very narrow perspective on the matter, but my point stands. Outsourcing, while avoiding government regulations, takes jobs Americans actually want and gives them to people in other countries for cheap labor.scorch-62

If legal worker X is asking for 12 dollars an hour to work under Y company, that also includes a constant tax. Illegal worker Z is asking for 10, untaxed. The employer also doesn't have to deal with unions, on-job-injuries or the like

Obviously if an illegal immigrant has a job that means a citizen does not have that job.

LJS9502_basic

But yeah, unrestrained illegal immigration generally does tend to replace employees, especially unspecialized ones; that's what happens with higher competition. But the problem isn't even so much that so many new people are entering the US (though the fact that they're breaking the law to do so is a concern, but even then, I've heard that the immigration laws are loaded with red tape, which would suggest sort of a "the law is wrong" scenario) as that employers get to fire their established employees just to make a profit, instead of due to employee incompetence.

In which case, what difference does it make who... or what... replaces you? For example, if, hypothetically, I were a mechanical engineer who designed a "carpenter robot" who could easily replace carpenter's jobs in a profitable way, (not claiming I would; my major is physics, not engineering :P) and I went to all these construction companies, selling my robots, a lot of jobs would be replaced. Is the problem that the technology is available, or is the problem that it's considered the employer's business why they do or do not keep their employees?

I think instead of blaming the illegal immigrants themselves, the focus should be on the employers. After all, given what I've heard about abuse of illegal workers, I think they are the victims of this as well.

EDIT: For the record, I'm not American, but I'm a Canadian who looks at this issue as an outsider.

this country is based on hypocrysy we expect to help and secure the whole world but once we give help we want to take it back and also turns into a backlash. Most immigrants come from banana republics which basically means that they are controlled by the u.s. so they can get profit and resources of them. So the us government brings this upon itself. The media does its job by exploiting the negatives about immigrants while hiding the dirty secrets of why they are here. Technically immigrants do take a citizens job but i have seen people that rather not work and be broke than work in the fields. Plus they still pay taxes and have no way of getting any health insurance.kingcobrasoccer

Don't fall into the media driven hype and generalization that they are "jobs Americans don't want." It may not be a job an American wants, but at this time, its a job they need. How many unemployed people do you know? 'Cause the ones I know would work any job they could get at this point. My neighbor went from a nearly 6 figure job in the house building industry and now I'm his supervisor at a retail store, and he makes just over double digits per hour.

Whether they are taking jobs or not, and whether we as Americans would want that job or not hardly matters. The point is they are illegally in this country, and should either start the immigration process or leave.

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Obviously if an illegal immigrant has a job that means a citizen does not have that job.

matthayter700

But yeah, unrestrained illegal immigration generally does tend to replace employees, especially unspecialized ones; that's what happens with higher competition. But the problem isn't even so much that so many new people are entering the US (though the fact that they're breaking the law to do so is a concern, but even then, I've heard that the immigration laws are loaded with red tape, which would suggest sort of a "the law is wrong" scenario) as that employers get to fire their established employees just to make a profit, instead of due to employee incompetence.

In which case, what difference does it make who... or what... replaces you? For example, if, hypothetically, I were a mechanical engineer who designed a "carpenter robot" who could easily replace carpenter's jobs in a profitable way, (not claiming I would; my major is physics, not engineering :P) and I went to all these construction companies, selling my robots, a lot of jobs would be replaced. Is the problem that the technology is available, or is the problem that it's considered the employer's business why they do or do not keep their employees?

I think instead of blaming the illegal immigrants themselves, the focus should be on the employers. After all, given what I've heard about abuse of illegal workers, I think they are the victims of this as well.

EDIT: For the record, I'm not American, but I'm a Canadian who looks at this issue as an outsider.

How many americans work in the fields? I have not seen one my entire lifetime.illegalimigrant

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]How many americans work in the fields? I have not seen one my entire lifetime.MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]How many americans work in the fields? I have not seen one my entire lifetime.LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] *Sigh* Not all jobs illegals take are in the fields as you say. They take factory work and construction work as well. So you are saying no american would want those jobs? Then you would be wrong.MoonMarvel

well imo there is more to it than just that they take your jobs(i am danish)...well dunno how many illiegal immigants there are in america but lets just say there are 1 mil. and some of those "steal" jobs from american citizens and other gets jobs which would not have been occupied otherwise cause of bad working conditions etc...so that is just one problem that some of them "steal" your jobs..but many of the illiegal immigrants have families back in Mexico or where ever they are from..and their families are poor..so the illiegal immigrants send money back to their family in Mexico, not much but some...lets just say they send 10 dollars once a month back to their families...so if all the 1 mil. illiegal immigrants you got send back 10 dollars every month over the coarse of five year(or how long they stay in america before they get caught) it adds up..and that is money which is just given away which america benefits form in no way...also if they have kids who go to public schools YOU are paying for their edjucation through taxes...and if some of them do crimes the police have to spend money on solving the crime etc...this all adds up and becomes a lot of money!Darnulin

Yes they do and what annoys me is that the government treats them more important than us!lilbizzle1

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Obviously if an illegal immigrant has a job that means a citizen does not have that job.

But yeah, unrestrained illegal immigration generally does tend to replace employees, especially unspecialized ones; that's what happens with higher competition. But the problem isn't even so much that so many new people are entering the US (though the fact that they're breaking the law to do so is a concern, but even then, I've heard that the immigration laws are loaded with red tape, which would suggest sort of a "the law is wrong" scenario) as that employers get to fire their established employees just to make a profit, instead of due to employee incompetence.

In which case, what difference does it make who... or what... replaces you? For example, if, hypothetically, I were a mechanical engineer who designed a "carpenter robot" who could easily replace carpenter's jobs in a profitable way, (not claiming I would; my major is physics, not engineering :P) and I went to all these construction companies, selling my robots, a lot of jobs would be replaced. Is the problem that the technology is available, or is the problem that it's considered the employer's business why they do or do not keep their employees?

I think instead of blaming the illegal immigrants themselves, the focus should be on the employers. After all, given what I've heard about abuse of illegal workers, I think they are the victims of this as well.

EDIT: For the record, I'm not American, but I'm a Canadian who looks at this issue as an outsider.

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[QUOTE="matthayter700"] Not necessarily; some jobs might be usually unprofitable due to minimum wage standards, but an illegal immigrant might be more willing to work for less than minimum wage (therefore being easier to profit from) since they can't really turn to the law when they're already trying to hide from it; ergo, jobs that citizens would tend not to have.

But yeah, unrestrained illegal immigration generally does tend to replace employees, especially unspecialized ones; that's what happens with higher competition. But the problem isn't even so much that so many new people are entering the US (though the fact that they're breaking the law to do so is a concern, but even then, I've heard that the immigration laws are loaded with red tape, which would suggest sort of a "the law is wrong" scenario) as that employers get to fire their established employees just to make a profit, instead of due to employee incompetence.

In which case, what difference does it make who... or what... replaces you? For example, if, hypothetically, I were a mechanical engineer who designed a "carpenter robot" who could easily replace carpenter's jobs in a profitable way, (not claiming I would; my major is physics, not engineering :P) and I went to all these construction companies, selling my robots, a lot of jobs would be replaced. Is the problem that the technology is available, or is the problem that it's considered the employer's business why they do or do not keep their employees?

I think instead of blaming the illegal immigrants themselves, the focus should be on the employers. After all, given what I've heard about abuse of illegal workers, I think they are the victims of this as well.

EDIT: For the record, I'm not American, but I'm a Canadian who looks at this issue as an outsider.

[QUOTE="matthayter700"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Obviously if an illegal immigrant has a job that means a citizen does not have that job.

LJS9502_basic

But yeah, unrestrained illegal immigration generally does tend to replace employees, especially unspecialized ones; that's what happens with higher competition. But the problem isn't even so much that so many new people are entering the US (though the fact that they're breaking the law to do so is a concern, but even then, I've heard that the immigration laws are loaded with red tape, which would suggest sort of a "the law is wrong" scenario) as that employers get to fire their established employees just to make a profit, instead of due to employee incompetence.

In which case, what difference does it make who... or what... replaces you? For example, if, hypothetically, I were a mechanical engineer who designed a "carpenter robot" who could easily replace carpenter's jobs in a profitable way, (not claiming I would; my major is physics, not engineering :P) and I went to all these construction companies, selling my robots, a lot of jobs would be replaced. Is the problem that the technology is available, or is the problem that it's considered the employer's business why they do or do not keep their employees?

I think instead of blaming the illegal immigrants themselves, the focus should be on the employers. After all, given what I've heard about abuse of illegal workers, I think they are the victims of this as well.

EDIT: For the record, I'm not American, but I'm a Canadian who looks at this issue as an outsider.

no, not necessarily. read his post just a little bit more carefully. if there's a job which pays less than minimum wage, a legal citizen woulden't take it.

danwallacefan

darn you illegal immigrants taking our jobs! go back to your country!

...wait before you go harvest my feilds, build my apartments, clean my home, and repair my bathroom...

darn you illegal immigrants taking our jobs! go back to your country!

...wait before you go harvest my feilds, build my apartments, clean my home, and repair my bathroom...

legend26

[QUOTE="legend26"]

darn you illegal immigrants taking our jobs! go back to your country!

...wait before you go harvest my feilds, build my apartments, clean my home, and repair my bathroom...

LJS9502_basic

all people in this thread who arnt illegal, raise your hand if you want to do manual labor in the hot sun all day for unfair pay.

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[QUOTE="legend26"]

darn you illegal immigrants taking our jobs! go back to your country!

...wait before you go harvest my feilds, build my apartments, clean my home, and repair my bathroom...

legend26

all people in this thread who arnt illegal, raise your hand if you want to do manual labor in the hot sun all day for unfair pay.

Well in the case of Greece (I dont know about other countries) the case is that immigrants have taken jobs like builder, farm worker and other hard-labour jobs; jobs which are frowned upon by the locals as "low-c|ass"... >_>

So the case is that immigrants have filled the gaps created by the locals. Nothing more imo.

Well although they are technically taking jobs in some cases and breaking the law... ths issue is not black and white. There are many factors to consider here other than whats in the books. We are talking human beings here... People become desperate in other countries and come here... they do what they have to do. It is very difficult to become a legal citizen or a permanent resident... so people take other extreme options. Overall they do take jobs Americans most likely wouldn't want, but there are cases were they even have good jobs. A good amount of them also pay taxes... there is a way to pay taxes and file your income tax if you posses a certain irs tax identification number which millions do have... of course there are some that don't have this... those are the ones who usually work with under the table pay. I believe those people would be the minority of the illegal crowd, but I could be wrong. Furthermore, millions of them do actually speak English and cause no trouble... although still breaking the law by just being here. I mean what do we do here? It's tough, you can't just spout out the law... it just does not work. The immigration policies need to be changed, also something needs to be done about the people who are already here... Diablo112688

Its not that hard. My family did it. Even if people think its hard, its worth the trouble of not getting deported.

No, they take jobs that no one else would want to have.-Chimera-

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] .JigglyWiggly_

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[QUOTE="legend26"]

darn you illegal immigrants taking our jobs! go back to your country!

...wait before you go harvest my feilds, build my apartments, clean my home, and repair my bathroom...

legend26

all people in this thread who arnt illegal, raise your hand if you want to do manual labor in the hot sun all day for unfair pay.

They take jobs that Homegrown Americans would want, like janitorial work, or maid work, or picking apples!!

Dey derk er jerbs!!