Do Christians and Muslims worship the same god?

Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham. They just have different views and beliefs about him.

Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham. They just have different views and beliefs about him.

ScorpionTroll

No, how could they? Christians believe in the trinity, Christ is the Son of God etc Muslims don't believe in that and therefore they couldn't possible believe in the same God, despite having similar origins.michaelP4

Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham. They just have different views and beliefs about him.

ScorpionTroll

Im sorry but your way off with that statement, each religion believes in a different god

For the jews for example they believe in HaShem, for the islamic religion (in which i am btw) we believe in Allah.

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Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham. They just have different views and beliefs about him.

realistic44

Im sorry but your way off with that statement, each religion believes in a different god

For the jews for example they believe in HaShem, for the islamic religion (in which i am btw) we believe in Allah.

[QUOTE="ScorpionTroll"]

Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham. They just have different views and beliefs about him.

realistic44

Im sorry but your way off with that statement, each religion believes in a different god

For the jews for example they believe in HaShem, for the islamic religion (in which i am btw) we believe in Allah.

Kinda-ish.

It's all the Abrahamic God but each description is very different.

So...n-es?

They take poops the same. I know that. Don't ask me how.

They take poops the same. I know that. Don't ask me how.

lo_Pine

Yes. The way they worship, and the different things that they worship about that God is what differentiates the two. They do worship the same dictator.

Edit; alot of typos.:shock: <- stonage.

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They take poops the same. I know that. Don't ask me how.

Ace6301

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They take poops the same. I know that. Don't ask me how.

lo_Pine

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] I too once saw a German porn site. Never again.Kevlar101

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Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham. They just have different views and beliefs about him.

Fightingfan

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="ScorpionTroll"]

Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham. They just have different views and beliefs about him.

Umizin

Who cares, haven't seen any lightning-bolts strike any sinful heads lately anyways. So might as well worship something more useful. Like yourself.

When it comes to the main point and to the root of it all, yes. Ultimately we worship the same God.

Muslims believe they are worshipping the same god as the Christians and Jews, just that they believe that they are worshipping god correctly, whereas the two older religions got it wrong somehow.

Historically and truthfully speaking each religion is worshipping the same god that Abraham worshipped, so it's the same one.

The fact that there are different names, those have to do with languages.

The trinity makes things - and have always to me - confusing, and to this day no one has yet to sufficiently explain to me what distinguishes the holy spirit and the Father. As the two seems to facilitate the same things. Whereas Jesus and Father are sufficientely differentiated, and yet are called to be one and the same. Frankly it's confusing....

I do though find it ironic though how Jews and Muslims seem to hate each other, as the god depicted in both books are similar to each other a lot more then Muslims and Christian (new testamant) texts do. Albeit Muslims add in the threat of Hell if you don't obey and fear god, while also exalting god endlessly, while also inducing people to be good for the reward of Heaven (you can't be good unless you get something out of it in other words). Jews have an afterlife, but you only get glimpses of it - from what i understand. old testamant could be very cruel, but at the very least there was no hell to further suffer in for all eternity.

On last thing, reminds me of the double whammy of Apostasy in Islam. anyone who is an apostate is doomed to hell, if that threat was not enough. It seems according to a couple of (scholarly considered) strong hadiths, that Muslims are also obliged to get the apostate to hell in a quick hurry as well....

Historically speaking, yes.

However there is quite a bit of variation in God's characteristics / personality both within and between these religions.

Also, it's worth noting that Christians have the whole trinity thing goin on.

Jews = worship God and only God, do not believe in Christ. Christians = worship three Gods as God (you figure it out), believe in Christ as one of them. Muslims = worship God and only God, believe in Christ but are strictly Unitarian about the concept of God, therefore he is just a prophet like Abraham, Moses, etc. Allah is the Arabic word for God, no idea what YHWH means, but umm, Muslims worship the God that brought revelation to many Semitic prophets (Noah, Isaac, Ishmael, Joseph, Jacob, etc) and helped them create miracles, if the other two do, then we're onto the same God. Saying that they're different because of language difference is asinine, by that logic Japanese Christians worship Kami and not God, Italians worship Dio and not God, Chinese worship Shangdi, and it goes on and on. It's the concept that count, not word.Victorious_Fize

On last thing, reminds me of the double whammy of Apostasy in Islam. anyone who is an apostate is doomed to hell, if that threat was not enough. It seems according to a couple of (scholarly considered) strong hadiths, that Muslims are also obliged to get the apostate to hell in a quick hurry as well....

SaudiFury

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I hope my family isn't that bigoted.

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On last thing, reminds me of the double whammy of Apostasy in Islam. anyone who is an apostate is doomed to hell, if that threat was not enough. It seems according to a couple of (scholarly considered) strong hadiths, that Muslims are also obliged to get the apostate to hell in a quick hurry as well....

ghoklebutter

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I hope my family isn't that bigoted.

In my family, like you know, it is no secret that i'm one of the least religious in the house, and yet very quick to run circles around my parents if i get into a theological talk. Only person who i tread carefully with is my dad, on the mere fact that he expects it.Even though i've caused him to pause and think several times.

I think the one time was when we were talking about the Hadiths, he's read the Sahih Bukhari, but he doesn't know when, who, or how they were collected. Or exactly how the process was done, and how many hadiths were expunged by Bukhari and considered untrustworthy, and that we are to take his word alone as to be true collection of deeds. Like i've oft said on this forum, you cannot have Shariah Law without the Hadiths, and if you question the very validity of how Hadiths were collected and considered truthful deeds and sayings of the Prophet, you cannot have Shariah. In fact Islam itself is unrecognizable without the Hadiths, without them we don't know exactly how to pray, nor do we even have the 5 pillars of Islam. Still....

We've never gotten into shouting matches, and he still firmly is in the camp that it is necessary in a Muslim country (he does not support enforcing it or prosletyzing it to the West or non-Muslims countries).

learning unadulterated and untouched history, is the one thing that makes me change my mind the most. not even science and all it's physical evidence has had the same level impact with me, with science any amazing finds can still be attributed to God's doing in an ever-regression loop. No, it's in the history books, and looking straight at the sources do we find something a bit sadder really. That is, how much religion is affected by the deeds and works of men (and women) over a long period of time, and not the other way around.

I can't find the specific Hadith, it is from Bukahri, and i believe it's narrated by Aisha, and it basically, plainly says, that whatever Muhammed wanted, always happened to be what Allah ok'd or commanded him to do.

This message - to me.... is more damning then his marriage to Aisha, to any of the sanctioned cruelties, or faith-based assertions. For reasons i hope are obvious...

If i find it i'll post it, but when i read it years ago, it is perhaps the one thing that has troubled me the most. and i mean a lot...

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(0.o) Oh dear God.

i dunno, your father is very religious Pakistani. and while i do not know him, there are very few nationalities in the Muslim world that i have found more fanatical then Pakistani's. So i'd tread carefully.

In my family, like you know, it is no secret that i'm one of the least religious in the house, and yet very quick to run circles around my parents if i get into a theological talk. Only person who i tread carefully with is my dad, on the mere fact that he expects it.Even though i've caused him to pause and think several times.

I think the one time was when we were talking about the Hadiths, he's read the Sahih Bukhari, but he doesn't know when, who, or how they were collected. Or exactly how the process was done, and how many hadiths were expunged by Bukhari and considered untrustworthy, and that we are to take his word alone as to be true collection of deeds. Like i've oft said on this forum, you cannot have Shariah Law without the Hadiths, and if you question the very validity of how Hadiths were collected and considered truthful deeds and sayings of the Prophet, you cannot have Shariah. In fact Islam itself is unrecognizable without the Hadiths, without them we don't know exactly how to pray, nor do we even have the 5 pillars of Islam. Still....

We've never gotten into shouting matches, and he still firmly is in the camp that it is necessary in a Muslim country (he does not support enforcing it or prosletyzing it to the West or non-Muslims countries).

learning unadulterated and untouched history, is the one thing that makes me change my mind the most. not even science and all it's physical evidence has had the same level impact with me, with science any amazing finds can still be attributed to God's doing in an ever-regression loop. No, it's in the history books, and looking straight at the sources do we find something a bit sadder really. That is, how much religion is affected by the deeds and works of men (and women) over a long period of time, and not the other way around.

I can't find the specific Hadith, it is from Bukahri, and i believe it's narrated by Aisha, and it basically, plainly says, that whatever Muhammed wanted, always happened to be what Allah ok'd or commanded him to do.

This to me... is more damning then his marriage to Aisha, to any of the sanctioned cruelties, or faith-based assertions.

If i find it i'll post it, but when i read it years ago, it is perhaps the one thing that has troubled me the most. and i mean a lot...

SaudiFury

Yeah, I'm treading carefully. At the same time, however, I desperately wish for the chance to let him know who I really am. I can't stand it when I have to hide a huge part of myself away from close family members.

My religious family members probably realize on some level that I'm not very religious, but even so, when it comes to my dad arguing with my brother (who has made it clear to him that he's an apostate), he gets extremely angry at him. My dad has accused my brother of being arrogant and whimsical just because my brother doesn't agree with things like the method of prayer. That's why I'm worried about my dad and my other religious family members getting upset at me. Perhaps my dad will lose his religiosity over time, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

As for the hadith you're referring to:

"Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."" [Sahih Bukhari 6:60:311]

This is the one, right? I find it troubling as well.

ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Jews = worship God and only God, do not believe in Christ. Christians = worship three Gods as God (you figure it out), believe in Christ as one of them. Muslims = worship God and only God, believe in Christ but are strictly Unitarian about the concept of God, therefore he is just a prophet like Abraham, Moses, etc. Allah is the Arabic word for God, no idea what YHWH means, but umm, Muslims worship the God that brought revelation to many Semitic prophets (Noah, Isaac, Ishmael, Joseph, Jacob, etc) and helped them create miracles, if the other two do, then we're onto the same God. Saying that they're different because of language difference is asinine, by that logic Japanese Christians worship Kami and not God, Italians worship Dio and not God, Chinese worship Shangdi, and it goes on and on. It's the concept that count, not word.SaudiFury

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It's just that I've seen posts saying that they do not worship the same God because Jews worship YHWH, whereas Muslims worship Allah, that's not how it works. The rest is duh, we're already faaaaaar off different as it is. They have 3 Gods and call themselves monotheistic lulz, that baffles us.

You're a Muslim, right Saudi? I won't tell the hay2a if you won't, God bless those men.

Oh and School start tomorrow and I'm gonna die. ;_;

Anywayyy, it's good to see you again brosephus.

There's a few arguments that seems to debate this fact even though they do and it has been proven many times. What do you think? Is there a reason these debates keep popping up?Mr-bomb

I think the Jews were the original followers then the christian cult split off and after that the muslem cult split off.

Christians worship the Holy trinity. This consists of three persons in the same substance sharing it together.

Muslims worship a Unitarian entity and specifically deny that the entities of the trinity are indeed true God.

No we do not worship the same God.

The quran is clear, Blasphemer whoever is says Jesus is God.

The Bible is clear, In the begining was the word and word was with God and the word was God... and God is spirit and those who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

No, both literally believe in Yahweh, the god of Abraham. Same as the Jews. They just all have different interpretations. But much of the mythology of Judaism and Christianity can also be found in the Koran (Christ is quoted in the Koran more than Muhammed).famicommander

YHWH is a father and idenitifies himself constantly as father of the children of Israel.

Allah denies being a father in anyway, only allowing for a hypothetical use which still cannot apply because that has never happened in terms of the quranic argument.

Christians worship the Holy trinity. This consists of three persons in the same substance sharing it together.

Muslims worship a Unitarian entity and specifically deny that the entities of the trinity are indeed true God.

No we do not worship the same God.

The quran is clear, Blasphemer whoever is says Jesus is God.

The Bible is clear, In the begining was the word and word was with God and the word was God... and God is spirit and those who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Philokalia

Don't you mean Catholics worship the trinity?

I didnt think all christian sects followed the trinity idea?

If christianity started as a cult of judaism then it is obviously the same god, all 3 religions forllow the desert god.

Don't you mean Catholics worship the trinity?

I didnt think all christian sects followed the trinity idea?

tenaka2

Roman catholics worship the Holy trinity (despite their filoque), Eastern Orthodox worship the holy trinity, Oriental (Coptic, Ethiopic, Indian) orthodox worship the Holy trinity, Lutheranism and Anglicanism (excluding liberal episcopalians who are not Christian) worship the Holy trinity. Protestants (Baptist, presbyterians, Calvanists, etc) worship the Holy trinity.

You might define Christian to include groups like JW and Mormons who do not acknowledge the trinity but within the historic confines of the church and by the vast consensus of the fathers, of the churches of the past and the Bishops and the presbyters and virtually everyone the trinity is a central orthodox doctrine all that call themselves Christians msut hold to.