Easily capitalism.
Screw this equality crap.
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I don't know they both suck when there is nothing mixed.....but I suppose Communism because when a monopoly happens there is nothing no one can do. The company could make milk $20 for all they care. I'd rather work for the same then be worked to death trying to afford things like milk or oil.MgamerBD
Thing is, people would stop buying milk. Sure prices would be higher, but profit comes from quantity x price. I think the assumption that monopolies would control the entire market is rather... baseless. Sure, in Laissez-faire capitalism, some monopolies would come into existence. However the idea that most industries would in point of fact be monopolized is rather... baseless.
true...but still. If a company had the power to raise prices of such things as food. Things people need to survive. There is nothing stopping them from doing it.Yes, the prices are more elastic for goods necessary for survival. However, there would be the constant threat of a rising competitor which could take their market share by starting a price war...
[QUOTE="megahaloman64"]The United States is NOT a laissez-faire capitalistic state. How many times will I have to say this?In the cold war, which country ended up in a giant econimic hole? Exactly.
Ace_WondersX
Probably about as often as you'll need to say U.S.S.R. wasn't communist :P
Capitalism is true freedom. I don't think many people understand that.SeanDog123despotism isnt freedom. if someone land locks you, you arent free. capitalism cant be freedom.
Capitolism, but not laisez-faire. True Keneasian (or however its spelled) works the best. If only people could view things long-term.RushMetallicaNo it doesn't... Keynesian economics are fun and easy, but only build up debt long term.
[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]Capitalism is true freedom. I don't think many people understand that.Major_Commiedespotism isnt freedom. if someone land locks you, you arent free. capitalism cant be freedom. You sir have either been brainwashed, or have no idea what capitalism is. You are wrong.
[QUOTE="Major_Commie"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"]Capitalism is true freedom. I don't think many people understand that.SeanDog123despotism isnt freedom. if someone land locks you, you arent free. capitalism cant be freedom. You sir have either been brainwashed, or have no idea what capitalism is. You are wrong. such compelling (emotion based) arguments.
[QUOTE="RushMetallica"]Capitolism, but not laisez-faire. True Keneasian (or however its spelled) works the best. If only people could view things long-term.SeanDog123No it doesn't... Keynesian economics are fun and easy, but only build up debt long term.
I am not a huge fan of Keynesian economics myself, but it's not nearly as simple as that. If the government could spend large sums of to get the economy moving again, in the long run, it may pay itself off. In theory, it works very well. I am rather skeptical of the Federal government's ability to apply Keynesian policies. I'd hardly call the stimulus an appropriate application of Keynesian economics. A lot of the spending in the bill is not spent in a way which would have a large multiplier effect, or employ many people.
Communism is not slavery.. Marx was actually pretty partial to the British political system.. Both systems to their extremes, are extremely flawed.. In the end both will turn into slavery..Hrmm, slavery or freedom? I'll take freedom, therefore, i'll take capitalism.
I_am_george
[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]Capitalism is true freedom. I don't think many people understand that.Major_Commiedespotism isnt freedom. if someone land locks you, you arent free. capitalism cant be freedom.
Why do you think capitalism cannot be freedom? Seems like an emotionally charged argument that is loaded with assumptions...
capitalism is good when u have a lot of luck sozialism is better NLahren
When an individual or family has a good income/works hard, pays off their debt, and make responsible decisions, they get luckier over time.
Capitalism is true freedom. I don't think many people understand that.SeanDog123
It's only freedom in the loosest sense of the word, if we're talking about lassez-faire that is. I'll take this moment to point out that neither communism or capitalism when used as braod terms say anything about government or freedoms of a society, they're simply economic models. However, a true lassez-faire society would only be a completely free society in the sense that anyone could do whatever they want without fear of regulation, so yes in that sense it means freedom. However, when we start talking about civil liberties, rights, standards of living, then everything is in the hands of the wealthy elite. They control jobs, education, and access to both; they control necessary goods like food and water; they control industries like power, fuel, and other necessities, and to top it all off they have no regulation so they can use their wealth and resources to manipulate markets, politics, and society in general without opposition, save for maybe an all-outrevolt. Perhaps freedom is protected, but life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are thrown out entirely for most of the population.
[QUOTE="Major_Commie"]Robbing someone of their ambitions and the fruits of their human faculties is just about the most inhumane thing human beings can do to one another. no its not the most inhumane thing a person can do to another. but thats not really the point because you havent described communismreal communism has no government.
i picked communism because its more humane
fidosim
despotism isnt freedom. if someone land locks you, you arent free. capitalism cant be freedom.[QUOTE="Major_Commie"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"]Capitalism is true freedom. I don't think many people understand that.coolbeans90
Why do you think capitalism cannot be freedom? Seems like an emotionally charged argument that is loaded with assumptions...
for the reasons i mentioned in the quote.despotism isnt freedom. if someone land locks you, you arent free. capitalism cant be freedom.[QUOTE="Major_Commie"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"]Capitalism is true freedom. I don't think many people understand that.coolbeans90
Why do you think capitalism cannot be freedom? Seems like an emotionally charged argument that is loaded with assumptions...
In a socialist society, every single citizen is in debt to the government.[QUOTE="Major_Commie"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"] You sir have either been brainwashed, or have no idea what capitalism is. You are wrong.SeanDog123such compelling (emotion based) arguments. It's emotion based because its so sad to me that America is becoming a socialist country. The free market produces the best products at the lowest cost because the people determine them. Socialism is very far from freedom, and very close to communism. Your statement illustrates that your completely ignorant of the situation.. Guess how much the United States government owns of businesses in the United States? A whooping number less then 1 %.. Man that sure sounds like communism.. Furthermore our system has been the strongest when it has been mixed.. The largest changes were in the late 1800s, and early 1900s to today.. That time period is far more important for the US's gaining in economic strength then anything before that ever mustered.. You are seriously nieve if you think that a complete capitalism would be any better then a complete communism.. They would both lead to the same things, of a elite controling every one through tyranny.
[QUOTE="coolbeans90"][QUOTE="Major_Commie"] despotism isnt freedom. if someone land locks you, you arent free. capitalism cant be freedom.Major_Commie
Why do you think capitalism cannot be freedom? Seems like an emotionally charged argument that is loaded with assumptions...
for the reasons i mentioned in the quote. Socialism has been proven to be ineffective, stop arguing.[QUOTE="Major_Commie"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]for the reasons i mentioned in the quote. Socialism has been proven to be ineffective, stop arguing. really? when? which forms of socialism have beem tried?Why do you think capitalism cannot be freedom? Seems like an emotionally charged argument that is loaded with assumptions...
SeanDog123
[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Major_Commie"]Robbing someone of their ambitions and the fruits of their human faculties is just about the most inhumane thing human beings can do to one another. no its not the most inhumane thing a person can do to another. but thats not really the point because you havent described communism The goal is no material inequalities, is it not?real communism has no government.
i picked communism because its more humane
Major_Commie
[QUOTE="Major_Commie"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"] You sir have either been brainwashed, or have no idea what capitalism is. You are wrong.SeanDog123such compelling (emotion based) arguments. It's emotion based because its so sad to me that America is becoming a socialist country. The free market produces the best products at the lowest cost because the people determine them. Socialism is very far from freedom, and very close to communism.
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If that were true people would only pay enough for a product to justify its production cost plus the profit necessary to keep the company operational. You need only to look to the profits companies are posting for things as simple as toys to see that statement is false.
[QUOTE="coolbeans90"][QUOTE="Major_Commie"] despotism isnt freedom. if someone land locks you, you arent free. capitalism cant be freedom.Major_Commie
Why do you think capitalism cannot be freedom? Seems like an emotionally charged argument that is loaded with assumptions...
for the reasons i mentioned in the quote.I see an "if..."
Socialism has been proven to be ineffective, stop arguing. really? when? which forms of socialism have beem tried? It doesn't matter, its just bad. Poor people need to be weeded out of our society and slowly killed, not supported by taxpayers.[QUOTE="SeanDog123"][QUOTE="Major_Commie"] for the reasons i mentioned in the quote.Major_Commie
[QUOTE="Major_Commie"]really? when? which forms of socialism have beem tried? It doesn't matter, its just bad. Poor people need to be weeded out of our society and slowly killed, not supported by taxpayers. True colours or badly timed sarcasm? :/[QUOTE="SeanDog123"] Socialism has been proven to be ineffective, stop arguing.SeanDog123
[QUOTE="Major_Commie"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]for the reasons i mentioned in the quote. Socialism has been proven to be ineffective, stop arguing.Why do you think capitalism cannot be freedom? Seems like an emotionally charged argument that is loaded with assumptions...
SeanDog123
I think we're talking about communism dude. Different arguments...
[QUOTE="Major_Commie"]really? when? which forms of socialism have beem tried? It doesn't matter, its just bad. Poor people need to be weeded out of our society and slowly killed, not supported by taxpayers. I have this book I think you might enjoy good sir. It's rather long winded and fairly poorly written though...[QUOTE="SeanDog123"] Socialism has been proven to be ineffective, stop arguing.SeanDog123
[QUOTE="Major_Commie"]really? when? which forms of socialism have beem tried? It doesn't matter, its just bad. Poor people need to be weeded out of our society and slowly killed, not supported by taxpayers. so you dont actually believe in capitalism? youre more of a fascist then[QUOTE="SeanDog123"] Socialism has been proven to be ineffective, stop arguing.SeanDog123
[QUOTE="Major_Commie"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]
Why do you think capitalism cannot be freedom? Seems like an emotionally charged argument that is loaded with assumptions...
for the reasons i mentioned in the quote.I see an "if..."
Complete "freedom" as it were through capitalism is a paradox.. Because in the end it turns into slavery in which the person with the biggest stick keeps the rest down for their own gains.. Government intervention on some levels such as creating workers rights, a minimum wage, etc etc prevents the elite from choking the rest of the population to death.. Its silly to suggest that real capitalism is any better then real communism.. Both are tremendously flawed..[QUOTE="jetpower3"]It better suits ambitions, period. i disagree, i would rather be able to do whatever project i want without worrying about money. this is where true communism would work best. true communism has never been tried unfortunately, and i dont know if its even possible.I've changed my mind. I'm choosing laissez-faire capitalism because it better suits my ambitions.
fidosim
[QUOTE="jetpower3"]It better suits ambitions, period.I've changed my mind. I'm choosing laissez-faire capitalism because it better suits my ambitions.
fidosim
The human race is an ambitious race. Limit their ambitions (i.e. drive to greater wealth, knowledge, power), then progress would only decline and I fear that society would only enter a comatose state, similar to the middle ages. Capitalism works. It has its faults but it works. Communism would never work.
[QUOTE="coolbeans90"][QUOTE="Major_Commie"] for the reasons i mentioned in the quote.sSubZerOo
I see an "if..."
Complete "freedom" as it were through capitalism is a paradox.. Because in the end it turns into slavery in which the person with the biggest stick keeps the rest down for their own gains.. Government intervention on some levels such as creating workers rights, a minimum wage, etc etc prevents the elite from choking the rest of the population to death.. Its silly to suggest that real capitalism is any better then real communism.. Both are tremendously flawed.. the dogma preached by right wingers is always about freedom until the argument turns into "well, people would be too lazy if they could do whatever they want."[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="jetpower3"]It better suits ambitions, period. i disagree, i would rather be able to do whatever project i want without worrying about money. this is where true communism would work best. true communism has never been tried unfortunately, and i dont know if its even possible. I suppose you could stop "worrying about money" when you're positive that you won't be getting as much as you're worth, regardless of your capacities.I've changed my mind. I'm choosing laissez-faire capitalism because it better suits my ambitions.
Major_Commie
[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="jetpower3"]
I've changed my mind. I'm choosing laissez-faire capitalism because it better suits my ambitions.
It better suits ambitions, period.The human race is an ambitious race. Limit their ambitions (i.e. drive to greater wealth, knowledge, power), then progress would only decline and I fear that society would only enter a comatose state, similar to the middle ages. Capitalism works. It has its faults but it works. Communism would never work.
Real capitalsim does not work.. It will create the same kind of staganation..Please Log In to post.
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