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BEIJING — With enormous economic clout and a powerful military and a strongman president, the image that China projects to the outside world is one of strength and confidence.

At home, however, some believe the nation's over-protected young boys are becoming physically and emotionally weak — leaving China facing what is being called a "crisis of masculinity."

Some commentators in China, where gender identity is much less blurred than in Western culture, suggest it could lead to social problems and even imperil the country's national security.

A new school textbook that aims to teach boys how to be "masculine" men has been released. Called "Little Men," the book covers the differences between boys and girls, the importance of the father-son relationship as well as the importance of interacting with nature and managing money.

The colorfully illustrated book was first published in December 2016 by Shanghai Educational Publishing House and has been approved for fourth and fifth grade classes across the country, after a trial period in selected schools.

"This course is necessary for boys," Miao Li, 36, a businessman, told NBC News while waiting to pick up his daughter recently outside a Beijing primary school. "They are so over-protected by the family they don't do physical activities anymore."

"Nowadays, girls are becoming more like boys while the boys are becoming more like girls, introvert and shy," echoed another parent called Huang, a hotel employee.

"The boys are now less masculine than when I was of their age," said a retired worker named Tian, a grandfather to an 8-year-old boy.

Another retiree named Huang, with a 7-year-old grandson, noted that boys are "more fragile emotionally and physically due to too much homework."

The roots of China's masculinity crisis can be traced to a number of areas, one of which is the country's One Child policy, implemented between 1979 and 2015. The policy restricted the number of children families were allowed to have in order to curb the country's surging population growth. It was replaced with a two-child limit last year.

"The problem is that the family spoils the kid with love and care," said a hotel management worker surnamed Sheng, mother of a first-grader, suggesting that over-indulgence and parents' fear of losing their only child has stunted the natural adventurous character of boys.

Discussion about this effect of the One Child policy has been rife in China for years. Commentators have long lamented social phenomena such as so-called "Little Emperor Syndrome" or "Prince Syndrome," where a life of pampering and constant praise led many Chinese only-children to develop poor social skills and become egocentric and over-reliant on their parents.

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Some sections of the Chinese media have also suggested that the popularity of effeminate Korean and Japanese actors and pop stars is a factor in the supposedly diminishing masculinity of Chinese youth. Last month, a headline in a prominent English-language Chinese newspaper blamed a "'gender crisis' on effeminate men in Japanese, Korean culture."

China's education system may also have played a role in bringing about the current state of affairs, with some commentators blaming an acute shortage of male teachers in the country, depriving young boys of male role models. Four out of five teaching positions in urban areas of China are held by women.

According to Tiantian Zheng, a professor of anthropology at State University of New York at Cortland, the issue of "masculinity" and the upbringing of boys is being treated as a priority at state level educational policy.

Measures that could result from this include "the establishment of all boys' middle schools, the textbook you cited ['Little Men'], experts' psychology clinics and media discourse," she told NBC News.

In a study published last year, Zheng observed that Chinese experts have called for stronger "gender-difference education," arguing that "the crisis of masculinity in effeminate men is considered a peril to the security of the nation because it reflects powerlessness, inferiority, feminized passivity, and social deterioration reminiscent of the colonial past when China was defeated by the colonizing West."

Chinese media has portrayed the "lack of manhood not only as a public menace and a threat to the family, but also as a metaphor for passive masculinity and national crisis," she wrote. Distinctive gender roles and strong manhood were considered "crucial in safeguarding the security of the nation," she noted.

But not everyone believes there is a problem. "I see diversity of human beings as something to celebrate, rather than repress," Zheng told NBC News.

"It would benefit our society and make the world a better place if we all could critically evaluate and challenge, rather than perpetuate and reinforce the entrenched cultural notions of femininity and masculinity that imprison us all," she added.

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Sex selective abortion is also very common in China.

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How could they possibly be masculine when the average penis size in China is only 4.29 inches?

lol way to prove yourself a hypocrite.

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Hasn't the whole world became soft though?

This PC/SJW era is no joke.

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#6  Edited By FireEmblem_Man
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@PSP107 said:

Hasn't the whole world became soft though?

This PC/SJW era is no joke.

Only the Western countries of Europe, the US, and Canada are soft.

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@toast_burner said:

Sex selective abortion is also very common in China.

They banned that a long time ago, since they were under a gender imbalance population

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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@toast_burner said:

Sex selective abortion is also very common in China.

They banned that a long time ago, since they were under a gender imbalance population

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Ah yes because as we all know if something is made illegal it ends forever.

Why are you trying to use China as a bastion of wisdom? They really aren't well regarded for their attitudes towards individuality.

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@toast_burner said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@toast_burner said:

Sex selective abortion is also very common in China.

They banned that a long time ago, since they were under a gender imbalance population

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Ah yes because as we all know if something is made illegal it ends forever.

Why are you trying to use China as a bastion of wisdom? They really aren't well regarded for their attitudes towards individuality.

Maybe because today's western ideals of the left lean towards a socialist state?

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Makes me want to move to China to become a teacher and do masculine AF shit like Putin did during his vacation days.

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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@toast_burner said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@toast_burner said:

Sex selective abortion is also very common in China.

They banned that a long time ago, since they were under a gender imbalance population

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Ah yes because as we all know if something is made illegal it ends forever.

Why are you trying to use China as a bastion of wisdom? They really aren't well regarded for their attitudes towards individuality.

Maybe because today's western ideals of the left lean towards a socialist state?

So we should instead idealise China?

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You know I just heard a theory yesterday that part of the decline in violence throughout the world over time has been partly attributed to the feminization of society. That's worth considering if people really want to put a stop to it.

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@toast_burner said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@toast_burner said:

Ah yes because as we all know if something is made illegal it ends forever.

Why are you trying to use China as a bastion of wisdom? They really aren't well regarded for their attitudes towards individuality.

Maybe because today's western ideals of the left lean towards a socialist state?

So we should instead idealise China?

Silencing Free Speech, and brand it Hate Speech? Check! Impose physical acts of violence, if Protest is failing? Check! Request the government to be involved with the privacy of social media and traffic news stories that maybe considered "fake news" and penalize Facebook for not taking action? Check. So why can't we go with ideals from China?

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wow i just posted outside SW. i'm lost

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@Serraph105 said:

You know I just heard a theory yesterday that part of the decline in violence throughout the world over time has been partly attributed to the feminization of society. That's worth considering if people really want to put a stop to it.

No

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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@toast_burner said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@toast_burner said:

Ah yes because as we all know if something is made illegal it ends forever.

Why are you trying to use China as a bastion of wisdom? They really aren't well regarded for their attitudes towards individuality.

Maybe because today's western ideals of the left lean towards a socialist state?

So we should instead idealise China?

Silencing Free Speech, and brand it Hate Speech? Check! Impose physical acts of violence, if Protest is failing? Check! Request the government to be involved with the privacy of social media and traffic news stories that maybe considered "fake news" and penalize Facebook for not taking action? Check. So why can't we go with ideals from China?

No we shouldn't do any of that stuff, so why are you trying to argue that a country that does all of that supporting your views means your views have validity? It doesn't necessarily mean you're wrong but it's pretty odd "This car's not ugly, Ted Bundy drove one just like it!"

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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@Serraph105 said:

You know I just heard a theory yesterday that part of the decline in violence throughout the world over time has been partly attributed to the feminization of society. That's worth considering if people really want to put a stop to it.

No

Well I'm glad that you thought about it deeply before coming up with your response.

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@toast_burner said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:

Silencing Free Speech, and brand it Hate Speech? Check! Impose physical acts of violence, if Protest is failing? Check! Request the government to be involved with the privacy of social media and traffic news stories that maybe considered "fake news" and penalize Facebook for not taking action? Check. So why can't we go with ideals from China?

No we shouldn't do any of that stuff, so why are you trying to argue that a country that does all of that supporting your views means your views have validity? It doesn't necessarily mean you're wrong but it's pretty odd "This car's not ugly, Ted Bundy drove one just like it!"

I never said that I agree with what China is doing. I'm trying to make discussion, and I only pointed out that you said that they do selective-abortion, and I provide a link that they banned that. I never said anything about Chinese culture is better than ours.

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@Serraph105 said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@Serraph105 said:

You know I just heard a theory yesterday that part of the decline in violence throughout the world over time has been partly attributed to the feminization of society. That's worth considering if people really want to put a stop to it.

No

Well I'm glad that you thought about it deeply before coming up with your response.

Good!

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@FireEmblem_Man: "Only the Western countries of Europe, the US, and Canada are soft."

What makes Eastern countries tougher than Westerners?

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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@PSP107 said:

Hasn't the whole world became soft though?

This PC/SJW era is no joke.

Only the Western countries of Europe, the US, and Canada are soft.

What does this even mean?

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@toast_burner said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@toast_burner said:

Sex selective abortion is also very common in China.

They banned that a long time ago, since they were under a gender imbalance population

Link

Ah yes because as we all know if something is made illegal it ends forever.

Why are you trying to use China as a bastion of wisdom? They really aren't well regarded for their attitudes towards individuality.

China doing a lot of things poorly doesn't mean they won't on occasion do something good. If we judged all nations by their worst decisions, then America would be even more hated than it already is.

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@perfect_blue:

He's calling you a pansy if you live in the western hemisphere.

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@toast_burner said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@toast_burner said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@toast_burner said:

Sex selective abortion is also very common in China.

They banned that a long time ago, since they were under a gender imbalance population

Link

Ah yes because as we all know if something is made illegal it ends forever.

Why are you trying to use China as a bastion of wisdom? They really aren't well regarded for their attitudes towards individuality.

Maybe because today's western ideals of the left lean towards a socialist state?

So we should instead idealise China?

oh, the irony.

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@ShadowsDemon said:
@toast_burner said:

Ah yes because as we all know if something is made illegal it ends forever.

Why are you trying to use China as a bastion of wisdom? They really aren't well regarded for their attitudes towards individuality.

China doing a lot of things poorly doesn't mean they won't on occasion do something good. If we judged all nations by their worst decisions, then America would be even more hated than it already is.

I already said that "It doesn't necessarily mean you're wrong but it's pretty odd"

Hitler was one of the first people to create a state funded anti-smoking campaign, but I don't see any one in favour of these campaigns saying "Hitler thought it was a good idea so we must be right!"

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@toast_burner said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@toast_burner said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@toast_burner said:

Sex selective abortion is also very common in China.

They banned that a long time ago, since they were under a gender imbalance population

Link

Ah yes because as we all know if something is made illegal it ends forever.

Why are you trying to use China as a bastion of wisdom? They really aren't well regarded for their attitudes towards individuality.

Maybe because today's western ideals of the left lean towards a socialist state?

So we should instead idealise China?

are you dumb

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@FireEmblem_Man said:

Maybe because today's western ideals of the left lean towards a socialist state?

Oh yeah, of course. That's why we should look to the People's Republic of China for wisdom and guidance.

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As a Trump supporter, I am disgusted by the idea of anyone forcing masculine stereotypes on boys. Can't people just let each other live in peace? Seems like humans are always trying to dominate and control each other. Our species can't relax and be nonjudgmental.

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@PSP107 said:

Hasn't the whole world became soft though?

This PC/SJW era is no joke.

Well, as one of the last manly men remaining, I figure you'd be doing just fine.

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@MrGeezer: "Well, as one of the last manly men remaining, I figure you'd be doing just fine."

Well I'm not sensitive so it's weird how people get easily offended.

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@MrGeezer: "Well, as one of the last manly men remaining, I figure you'd be doing just fine."

Well I'm not sensitive so it's weird how people get easily offended.

Point being, whenever I hear people complain about how society won't let men be manly men any more, I have to ask myself, "would a manly man be sitting around crying about that?" I'd wager that the people who haven't "gone soft" would simply be who they want to be rather than sit there crying about how the world wants them to be something else.

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@MrGeezer:

Are you taking a shot at me?

Because I'm not offended if people are offended by something they find offensive.

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@MrGeezer said:
@PSP107 said:

@MrGeezer: "Well, as one of the last manly men remaining, I figure you'd be doing just fine."

Well I'm not sensitive so it's weird how people get easily offended.

Point being, whenever I hear people complain about how society won't let men be manly men any more, I have to ask myself, "would a manly man be sitting around crying about that?" I'd wager that the people who haven't "gone soft" would simply be who they want to be rather than sit there crying about how the world wants them to be something else.

indeed.

I won't sit here and pretend to know what "manliness" is

but I do know what it is not, and it is not a single idea, and it is not conforming to someone else's ideas of what it is.

So if your single male child wants to do ballet, let him; those dudes are pretty badass as it is (physically, at least), and are surrounded by chicks. I am also sure being teased for a good chunk of his life will make him a tough hombre, provided his parents instill confidence in him.

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well done china for preventing this

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@joebones5000 said:

How could they possibly be masculine when the average penis size in China is only 4.29 inches?

This is a tad racist?

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@joebones5000: interesting, so tell us, how did that dick measuring quest went on ?

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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@PSP107 said:

Hasn't the whole world became soft though?

This PC/SJW era is no joke.

Only the Western countries of Europe, the US, and Canada are soft.

Stop ignoring Latin American Countries like Brazil and Argentina where SJW Feminism has been on the rise.

What about the EU countries like France and Germany? and even Spain (spain isnt that SJW but feminism is starting to take over).

Secondly, even tho I didnt read any of the OP, Im sure China sees the lack of masculinity in Japan disturbing. Since they are near by, im sure thats concerning to them the way the Japanese society has been emasculating them selves and the lack of men and women having sex in Japan. A trend thats reaching the shores of Korea.

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#38  Edited By R3FURBISHED
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Kinda reminds me of an aspect of The Forever War's plot... or at least that's what I initially thought

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They should implement something similar in the western world

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You know I just heard a theory yesterday that part of the decline in violence throughout the world over time has been partly attributed to the feminization of society. That's worth considering if people really want to put a stop to it.

That sounds on it's face absurd. Women were cloistered in the kitchen during the renaissance, during a great portion of the enlightenment, and they had (selectively) a ton of power during periods in China where hundreds of thousands of people were dying during single battles, in wars that killed millions.

The lowering of violence is due to the enlightenment, and what it has provided. Shoving superstition to the side in favor of rigorous inquiry, free expression, and changing social norms as a whole are the true liberators of us, and our societies. I would not call this a feminization, but a burgeoning of equality overall in since the latter half of the 18th century, with men like Thomas Payne, John Stuart Mill, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson etc.

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You mean a generation of girly men is actually...bad? What ever happened to embracing diversity? Or is China is now just one bigoted country?

I'm surprised we're not going to war with China over their lack of political correctness. They think black people are bad luck over there. But everybody here seems to be pretty okay with China. I guess progressives in the USA don't really care about making the world a better place by their own definition. Someone sneezes at a black person on MLK day in the USA and liberals rally around him. Black people get erased from posters in China and....? "It's okay, different culture" lol

Seems racism, bigotry, slave labor, and global warming is 100% okay with liberals : just keep it overseas where they don't have to see it.

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@kend0_kap0ni said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@PSP107 said:

Hasn't the whole world became soft though?

This PC/SJW era is no joke.

Only the Western countries of Europe, the US, and Canada are soft.

Stop ignoring Latin American Countries like Brazil and Argentina where SJW Feminism has been on the rise.

What about the EU countries like France and Germany? and even Spain (spain isnt that SJW but feminism is starting to take over).

Secondly, even tho I didnt read any of the OP, Im sure China sees the lack of masculinity in Japan disturbing. Since they are near by, im sure thats concerning to them the way the Japanese society has been emasculating them selves and the lack of men and women having sex in Japan. A trend thats reaching the shores of Korea.

Do you even read? I did say all European Countries! I didn't need to specify all of them, when all of Europe is in the EU and trying to force down Globalist policies down their peoples throats. Yeah, I could have added in South American countries, but those movements will collapse on its own when the people realized it didn't improve their economies.

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#43  Edited By sayyy-gaa
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@themajormayor said:

They should implement something similar in the western world

All nations HAVE implemented a policy to educate young men on their responsibilities and what it means to be masculine. It's called parenting. Corollary is mentoring/fathering.

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Yet all those rich white westerners fly over there to pick up "girly" young men. The worlds messed up no matter where you go.

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@Serraph105 said:

You know I just heard a theory yesterday that part of the decline in violence throughout the world over time has been partly attributed to the feminization of society. That's worth considering if people really want to put a stop to it.

Correlated but not caused. People have the stereotype of females being the lesser violent of the two sexes, therefore evidence that affirms that belief is more noticeable.

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They're going to end up grey aliens if they do that.

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@n64dd said:
@joebones5000 said:

How could they possibly be masculine when the average penis size in China is only 4.29 inches?

This is a tad racist?

You know you done fvcked up when Trump supporters call you out for being racist.

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#49  Edited By phbz
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In other words, as the society you live in gets less shity men get less predominant.

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#50  Edited By FireEmblem_Man
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@phbz said:

In other words, as the society you live in gets less shity men get less predominant.

In other words, this will be the norm

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