AOL: Did the RNC just compare Trump to Jesus in official Christmas statement?

@luckylucious said:

@n64dd said:

That makes way too much sense. It must be wrong.

lolol

Part 1.

They can happen, but do they happen?

That is the question. And no, the private charities alone wont do enough to make up for if the government terminated all government programs. The USA is hardly the land of opportunity. With several of those socialist european nations having far greater economic mobility. In fact, we do have a few libertopias out there. No taxes. Sealand, for example... when people grow old, there is a reason they almost always go back to mainland england.

Giving more to charity does not negate the fact that hte party undermines food stamps, have been an obstacle to LGBT rights and spent the last 8 years trying to elimante the affordable care act.

Part 2.

First of all, while you dont choose where you are born, you can migrate to other countries, when you reach adulthood. Migrating isnt that hard. And as it happens there are tax-free states out there.

I read that article just an hour ago, and it was a pretty good laugh. The guy had absolutely no backing to justify any of his assertions, and argued fallaciously throughout. Whoever made that article was clearly clueless. The state may not necessarily profit. A quick investigation shows that there is no correlation between socialist government programs and corruption. Since the overwhelming majority of the cleanest states out there are also the least corrupt. Maybe I am looking at this from my STEM ivory tower, but man... if this is a serious research institute (it doesnt look like it), I can see why people consider the social sciences to be such a joke. Something like this would never have been published in a journal like Nature.

The data shows that the more socialist big government programs out there arguably provide superior results, compared to the disasterous US policy.

US spends more than the other nations, so it must be doing well, right?

Wrong. The US fares more poorly than those single payer countries. According to WHO.

http://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

I dont like how old this article is. So here is a more modern one. That more or less shows the same results. Granted, with the US catching up somewhat... possibly thanks to Obamacare. Heh.

http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/170250/1/9789240694439_eng.pdf?ua=1&ua=1

And that is just one in many ways, these big government countries provide better services. The government whether you like it or not, has a role. No one is denying that the government can step out of their line (Those TV taxes are stupid as shit, but I wont protest them by trying to change the definition of terms to suit my agenda. I will counter by providing facts and data on why TV taxes are bad).

@Maroxad: Oh we moving onto the economy now? At-least let me know we're transitioning from religion to the economy first. Alright let me get this ready..

Oh lulz, here comes the facts:

“For example, about 75% of the tax dollars that are targeted to welfare programs actually go to the middle-class administrators rather than the needy. In contrast, private programs give about 75% of donated dollars to the poor. Thus, the poor get more when charitable giving is private.”

So private charities aren't as efficient as the Govt yet private programs give more to the needy? Quite a large assumption.

Source: https://www.theadvocates.org/effective-government-welfare-compared-private-charity/

"Of those enrolled in programs supported by the Workforce Investment Act, which provides publicly-funded services to around 7 million annually (typically through government contractors), just slightly over half (56 percent) found jobs—of which another 20 percent lost their (newly acquired) jobs within six months. Contrast this with the entirely private, philanthropically-supported job readiness program, Cincinnati Works. The first of a number of such programs championed by founders Dave and Liane Phillips, the program focuses on instilling the habits and attitudes that lead to success in the workplace. The latter’s placement and job retention rate: 84 percent."

There are two examples of private charity working better than the Govt. So that statement is just clearly factually wrong.

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/howardhusock/2014/04/10/lesson-for-april-15-why-government-cant-replace-charity/#31076d3a1050

Right, well lets get updated since the POTUS elect has no care for overturning same sex marriage and atleast 34% of Republicans support it. Trump represents a new era for the Republican party that will have a domino effect.

I mean people here have said themselves Trump represents Republicans and sets precedent for how the party will be. Pretty much applies here as well.

Obamacare has been a failure, and in essence just forces people to buy insurance which in turn allows Corporations to charge whatever they want. This makes premiums and deductibles go up and hurts everybody. In fact 47.7% of Americans on average disapprove of Obamacare (more than those that approve).

"Many Illinois consumers will find fewer choices because major carriers fled this market.UnitedHealthcare bolted. So did Aetna. Land of Lincoln Health collapsed mid-year, leaving policy holders to scramble for coverage that could cost them plenty. In many places across Illinois and the nation, people will find drastically fewer choices of plans than they did last year."

Do you know why they fled? Becuase they didn't want to lose more money on an inefficiently run govt program. Too many carriers just simply can't cover expenses.

Now lets see why premiums are going up:

"Obamacare failed because too many carriers simply can't cover expenses, let alone turn a profit, in this rigidly controlled system. Take Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Illinois, the state's dominant Obamacare insurer. Last year, for every dollar the carrier collected, it spent $1.32 buying care and providing services for customers, according to BCBS President Maurice Smith. No wonder BCBS is proposing rate increases from 23 percent to 45 percentfor its individual plans."

On that last point, food stamps create dependency, lets create jobs instead. Food stamps shouldn't be the standard, well-paying jobs should be.

Sources:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-obamacare-fail-health-care-insurance-medicine-0911-jm-20160909-story.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

The scandinavian socialist myth is my favorite to debunk when arguing with big govt proponets. All of those "socialist" governments are actually the biggest free-market proponents in the world.

"For example, democratic socialists are generally opponents of global capitalism and free trade, but the Scandinavian countries have fully embraced these things. The Economist magazine describes the Scandinavian countries as “stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies.” Perhaps this is why Denmark, Norway, and Sweden rank among the most globalized countries in the entire world. These countries all also rank in the top 10 easiest countries to do business in.

You will find no such government-imposed floors on labor in Sweden, Norway, or Denmark. Instead, minimum wages are decided by collective-bargaining agreements between unions and employers; they typically vary on an occupational or industrial basis. Union-imposed wages lock out the least skilled and do their own damage to an economy, but such a decentralized system is still arguably a much better way of doing things than having the central government set a one-size fits all wage policy that covers every occupation nationwide.

Sweden adopted a universal school choice system in the 1990s that is nearly identical to the system proposed by libertarian economist Milton Friedman his 1955 essay, “The Role of Government in Education.”

A common misconception is that the Nordic countries became socially and economically successful by introducing universal welfare states funded by high taxes. In fact, their economic and social success had already materialized during a period when these countries combined a small public sector with free-market policies.

Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438331/nordic-democratic-socialist-model-exposing-lefts-myth

Source: https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/

Now lets run through the long list of failed socialist policies in the US:

• Social security: $8 trillion in unfunded liabilities
• Medicare: $23 trillion in unfunded liabilities
• Medicaid: $35 trillion in unfunded liabilities
• War on Poverty: $22 trillion spent as of 2014, with about $1 trillion spent per year on welfare programs (the poverty rate is about the same as it was when the WOP started)
• Obamacare: Even liberal Huffpost admits Obama’s signature achievement is collapsing under its own unintended consequences
• VA health system: This government-run medical system is a disaster, subjecting veterans to ridiculous wait lists and subpar treatment
• Post Office: Even Bernie Sanders has complained about the post office, apparently missing the irony that his platforms would turn America into one giant post office
• Infrastructure: America has a D+ infrastructure rating, which would quickly change if we privatized it (like we did with railroads, water services, and power services)
• Stimulus: Obama’s $800 billion redistribution project cost up to $4 million per job “saved or created,” with 10% going to cover Medicare/Medicaid shortfalls and only 5% spent on infrastructure

In conclusion, the countries you listed are successful off of a free-market and you basically proved my own free-market ideology in citing them.

Source: http://libertennial.com/10-winning-arguments-against-democratic-socialism

The conversation moved away from religion naturally. Else why would you post several links to libertarian "think" tanks? But we should go back to the topic and by all means. Jesus was pretty darn socialist. Historically speaking, the fiercest advocates against the capitalist ideas that arose in the 1800s were primarily christians.

How do you think the middle class achieved middle class status to begin with? The middle class exists because they are made by the government programs. Which brings me to my point. The government programs have provided results.

As for the forbes link. Government programs cant replace charities. But charities can also not replace government programs. There is a place for both in hte system. And both can cover up for the weaknesses of the other.

Regarding the POTUS. Sure not the POTUS himself, but the Vice President pick is a notorious pick amongst the LGBT community. And for a damn good reason.

Obamacare worked for a while before it started crashing. But the reason for that is that it did not fix the cause of the problem. And the problem are the insurance companies that are driven to make a profit. In Single Payer Systems, there is no middle man there. Which is one of the reasons they are so much more cost effective.

But yes, this is getting off-topic. The topic is religion, not taxes.

Sweden adopted a universal school choice system in the 1990s that is nearly identical to the system proposed by libertarian economist Milton Friedman his 1955 essay, “The Role of Government in Education.”

And as someone living in the country. I can assure you. That school choice system was a colossal failure. And educational standards dropped after that policy was made.

The Unions have a lot of power ensure that at the very least. Everyone gets a living wage. It may not appear as socialist on the books. But in practice... different story.

Oh I know and I was hoping you'd call it out. That is just one policy however that isn't one a socialist govt would push, but my point still stands though that those countries thrived/are still thriving because of free market principles. To call them socialist governments is just shortsighted.

I guess we'll ignore this long list that is factual proof that these Govt programs have been costing the country trillions of dollars with no results provided:

• Social security: $8 trillion in unfunded liabilities
• Medicare: $23 trillion in unfunded liabilities
• Medicaid: $35 trillion in unfunded liabilities
• War on Poverty: $22 trillion spent as of 2014, with about $1 trillion spent per year on welfare programs (the poverty rate is about the same as it was when the WOP started)
• Obamacare: Even liberal Huffpost admits Obama’s signature achievement is collapsing under its own unintended consequences
• VA health system: This government-run medical system is a disaster, subjecting veterans to ridiculous wait lists and subpar treatment
• Post Office: Even Bernie Sanders has complained about the post office, apparently missing the irony that his platforms would turn America into one giant post office
• Infrastructure: America has a D+ infrastructure rating, which would quickly change if we privatized it (like we did with railroads, water services, and power services)
• Stimulus: Obama’s $800 billion redistribution project cost up to $4 million per job “saved or created,” with 10% going to cover Medicare/Medicaid shortfalls and only 5% spent on infrastructure

An obvious choice by Trump to make sure he isn't assassinated lulz.

K lets take a history trip back instead of assuming all the high taxes of today are the end results of today:

"Today, in contrast, Nordic countries stand out as having high-tax models. Denmark, for example, has the highest tax rate among developed nations. But in 1960, the tax rate in the country was merely 25 percent of GDP, lower than the 27 percent rate in the U.S. at the time. In Sweden, the rate was 29 percent, only slightly higher than in the U.S. In fact, much of Nordic prosperity evolved between the time that a capitalist model was introduced in this part of the world during the late 19th century and the mid 20th century – during the free-market era.

Swedish economists Jesper Roine and Daniel Waldenström, for example, explain that “most of the decrease [in income inequality in Sweden] takes place before the expansion of the welfare state and by 1950 Swedish top income shares were already lower than in other countries.” A recent paper by economists Anthony Barnes Atkinson and Jakob Egholt Søgaard reaches a similar conclusion for Denmark and Norway."

Also these so called "socialist" countries are actually headed by centre-right proponents. Only one of the five Nordic countries, Sweden, currently has a government headed by social democrats. The other four countries have center-right governments.

Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438331/nordic-democratic-socialist-model-exposing-lefts-myth

Jesus taught charity, but those are not qualities that are only specific to socialism. Here's something I found on Quora that explains why that statement is incorrect:

1. Individual worth. Marxism focuses on the collective. The individual is nothing, but somehow, all of these zeros added together constitute a great value. Jesus taught that the Lord knows every sparrow that falls, that we are all children of God, and that it is of little value to gain the world and lose your soul.
2. Ideological motivation. Marx was an atheist, and the philosophy he espoused was based on atheism. A follower of Christ is motivated by the idea that we are all children of God. He works hard to gain more so that he can have more to give. Marxism has always had trouble with motivating people to do anything other than forcibly take from other people. Even when Marxists are generous, they are mostly just generous with other people's money. It is difficult to mesh a strictly materialist worldview with altruism.
3. Liberty vs. coercive inclusion. Jesus Christ preached the liberation of the captives. Marxism claims to preach this, but it actually seeks to make everyone a slave of the state. Even in more mild forms of socialism, there is still the matter of coercive inclusion. Jesus taught people to give out of the goodness of their hearts, but socialists seek to force everyone into giving whether they want to or not.

Source: Ronald Kimmons on Quora, https://www.quora.com/Was-Jesus-a-socialist-1

Yet they can as proven by historical evidence, heres another libertarian think-tank:

"However, the US in the late nineteenth century provides us with something very close to a natural experiment for testing the claim that private charity would be insufficient absent state welfare, because from the mid-1870s until around the turn of the century, unconditional aid to able-bodied needy people—“outdoor relief,” as it was called—was either abolished or curtailed drastically in large, and some medium-sized, cities. Since organized charities kept fairly detailed records of their activities, we can see whether the claim that private charity alone would be insufficient is historically accurate. It does not appear to be. In almost all of the relevant cities, private giving rose to the occasion, and the amount contributed was roughly comparable to the amount given by outdoor relief.

The empirical evidence I mention above comes from Frederic Almy, secretary of the Buffalo Charity Organization, who in 1899 gathered data on outdoor relief and private charity in forty cities, ten of which had completely abolished outdoor relief. Almy found that the cities with the lowest level of such aid had the highest level of private charity, and vice versa."

Source: http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2013/12/will-private-charity-be-enough/

So if private charities are proven to be more efficient than the Government (modern and old age as cited in my last few posts), and the Government as cited in the list above is wasting trillions of dollars on programs that mostly don't help the poor anyways, why are we wasting money on it?

1. Generally speaking. Sweden likes to try out policies. Some of them work, some of them dont. They are not trying to pick every left leaning idea they can find or anything. like that. But that doesnt change the fact that the majority of policies they adopted, were definately government heavy.
2. A good chunk of those programs, have done plenty of good. There has no doubt been mismanagement. But the failures of the systems in the US doesnt mean it fails everywhere. While american roads are kinda crumbling. Prviatizing them could make them far too costly for the average citizen.
3. This argument carries no weight once you put things into context. What caused the economy to grow dramatically was the aftermath of WW2, a war which Sweden did not participate in. Furhtermore, those Center right governments are still to the left of the US Democratic party. Hell, the one the alt-right loves to villify: Angela Merkel, is actually the leader of a center right party as well. The fact is, the left and right spectrum varies from country to country.
4. The argument immediately falls flat on its face. Once you realize that Socialism != Marxism. Socialism is a whole umbrella of ideas. Some of which existed before Karl Marx, others which came about after. Look, the majority of opposition in the early days of capitalism came from religion, Jesus made comments like "Give unto ceasar". And if you look at religion in general, it tries to make the teachings of its prophets the law. The fact is, Jesus taught charity hardcore. And basically condemned the rich to hell. That is a lot more hardcore than most actual socialists.

1. Sweden in its early days (60s) was a free-market country. Well known fact.

"Some might add that Sweden’s strong economy was a result of avoiding two world wars. But these explanations do not fit very well with what actually happened.

For example, it is true that Sweden implemented high levels of labour market regulation, as well as high and progressive taxes. But these policies were introduced in the 1970s and at that point in time, most of the extraordinary development towards prosperity and equality had already taken place"

Source: https://elgarblog.com/2014/09/09/embracing-capitalism-the-real-success-of-swedens-universal-welfare-state/

2. They've brought us trillions of dollars in debt. More harm than good.

• Social security: $8 trillion in unfunded liabilities
• Medicare: $23 trillion in unfunded liabilities
• Medicaid: $35 trillion in unfunded liabilities
• War on Poverty: $22 trillion spent as of 2014, with about $1 trillion spent per year on welfare programs (the poverty rate is about the same as it was when the WOP started)

3. Argument definitely carries weight since its a documented fact that free-market tactics were used. The quote and link above disprove the WW2 myth entirely.

I've provided numbers and historical analysis. It is a historical fact that prosperity in Sweden came from free-market capitalism of the 60s, agreed on by Swedish economist and history buffs.

4. Claiming a messiah of a religion is a socialist because he was charitable and giving is a terrible argument since it assumes those qualities are only specific to socialism, in which they are not.

What happened to "Draining the Swamp"? :v

I'd rather have pedigree business men who've amassed millions in their lifetimes running the country than ivy league intellectuals who only care about their legacy.

I was also never really a Trump supporter on the trail so that "drain that swamp" quote doesn't really apply to me. Just an opinion on the cabinet.

Right, thats why Republican states give more to charity than socialists and Dems I guess:

http://downtrend.com/robertgehl/republicans-most-generous-people-in-the-world-democrats-not-so-much

Argument falls on its face when you realize as proven in the link above that you can be charitable regardless of political affiliation. It just isn't exclusive to political ideology and Republican states donating more is hardcore evidence you can be charitable and not be a socialist. Yawn.

Jesus is a bit much...

I was thinking Batman.

I could see that, with the money and helicopters lol. (Batman is worth about 9.2 billion while Trump rests at 3.7b)

He's filling the swamp.

With people who've amassed more wealth than you'll ever see in your lifetime lol.

Getting salty yet again.

Is that how we're measuring success and self worth? And after all that Jesus talk up above?

When it comes to running the presidency, yeah I kind of prefer people who have been dominating their entire lives. People who have the skills to amass that kind of wealth is someone that appeals to me. They execute.

Also who said I was religious? Lol.

Trump fucking conned his supporters, drain the swamp my ass, he filled it up with Wall Street schmucks.

News flash: extremely wealthy people don't give a shit about middle/poor class people, all they care about is making more money.

Thank god posts don't fade so we can see your documented salt, lets see last time we spoke:

Now lets compare for fun:

Exactly. And they got wealthy by screwing over the middle/lower class.

@Maroxad:

After this election, I will never question the sheer stupidity of American voters. This almost made me feel like maybe the public shouldn't be allowed to vote in the first place. Anyone like Trump being able to walk right in and become president shows that there's something deeply fucked up about our system.

Quite the unashamed, bitter, 2-dimensional look at the world.

Nope. It's reality though.

"The American people shouldn't be allowed to vote bc I didn't like the results of the election."

@luckylucious:

Yeah, no. I wasn't for Hillary either. They both suck balls.

We should start by scrapping the super-delegate system in the Democratic party, which ironically is the most undemocratic thing ever. We should also make sure to curb any presidential power by Trump that doesn't promote freedom (Carrier deal and Nuclear Arsenal for example).

Not so sure about that, but what I am sure of that it's certainly a convenient way to look at the world if you're not doing so hot yourself.

Let's actually take a look at some of the colourful characters in Trump's potential cabinet.

Rex Tillerson: CEO of a company under numerous investigations for lying about climate change. Documented supporter of TPP and free trade in general, also supports Common Core

Jeff Sessions: Noted racist and opponent of civil rights for blacks and gays. Was deemed too racist for a Federal judgeship during the Reagan administration. Theocratic whacko

Steven Mnuchin: Goldman Sachs employee and hedge fund investor. Self-explanatory and quite hilariously ironic after Donnie accused Clinton of being in bed with these types

Wilbur Ross: Another investor and banker, noted for restructuring failed companies and making off like a bandit, directly screwing over employees of said companies:

Betsy De Vos: Noted shill for garbage ideas like charter schools, for profit education, school vouchers, which consequently results in racial segregation. Heir to the Amway company.

Rick Perry: wants to destroy the Department of Energy and continue unimpeded towards killing the environment. Another theocratic whacko. Known as an utter joke even in Texas.

Tom Price: wants to destroy Obamacare and take the health care away of millions of Americans, another example of directly killing the middle and lower classes.

Andrew Puzder: critical of labour policies like the minimum wage, paid leave, maternity leave, also supports repealing Obamacare.

All these people are terrible if we go by the rhetoric Trump has used during the election of being "anti-establishment" and wanting to help the lower and middle classes. You've been conned by him and it's hilarious you don't even seem to realize it. Trump and his band of merry men and women are going to bleed the US dry and only enrich themselves, because that is all these people have ever done and will do. Which is perfectly fine... if they stayed the **** out of government.

Why bother detailing the cabinet? Trump himself has boosted his own wealth by systematically defrauding people.

Be careful about you say, Trump supporters have a hard time handling facts.

Yep TPP sucks. +1

Jeff Sessions totally being racist:

"Finally, Congress passed and President Obama signed the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010, reducing the racial disparity. Mr. Sessions was one of the bill’s three lead authors—a testament to his doggedness in the pursuit of equal justice. Mr. Sessions specifically argued that this created unfair racial disparities, since crack was the drug of poor inner cities, while powder was favored by white Wall Streeters." (This is racist?)

"When he was U.S. attorney in Alabama, his office investigated the 1981 murder of Michael Donald, a black man who was kidnapped, beaten and killed by two Klansmen who hanged his body in a tree. The two men were later arrested and convicted. He couldn't have been more supportive of making sure we got convicted the murderers of the last black man who was lynched by the Klan," said former Justice Department attorney Barry Kowalski, who worked with Sessions." (This is racist?)

Source: http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-racist-smear-against-jeff-sessions-1480465010

Source: http://fortune.com/2016/11/19/jeff-sessions-race-civil-rights/

Dept of Education is useless. Gives 11 cents to each state for every dollar spent, which is practically nothing. Lets just cut it or get rid of it. Betsy is a great pick.

Source: http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Gary_Johnson_Education.htm

Steven (Treasury) and Wilbur (Commerce) have killed it in life, and have amassed billions of dollars each and have Ivy League pedigrees, they will do well.

Obamacare sucks. Carriers for it are leaving rapidly and premiums + deductibles are going up for everybody. Even HuffPost calls out its failure. The fine is also so low that most Americans just won't buy into it, which makes it a useless system. Also more Americans on avg. want Obamacare gone (47.7%).

Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

Perry is a three-time Governor in Texas, which is practically known as the energy state under his rule. Laughable assessments when the facts aren't regarded:

"During Governor Perry's tenure as governor, Texas's wind energy production soared from almost nothing when he entered office to more than 35 million MW-hrs in 2014, his last full year in office. If Texas was a country, its wind energy production would rank 5th in the world.

Perry also worked hard to make sure that the wind power generated in the vast, lightly populated but windy areas of West Texas, could make it to power-hungry cities by supporting a $7 billion transmission corridor project called the Competitive Renewable Energy Zone.

Perry has continued to support investments in developing the technology needed to economically capture CO2 from power plant smokestacks. He appears most interested in projects where the captured CO2 is used for such purposes as stimulating additional oil and gas production and is not just sequestered."

The Dept of Energy is useless:

"The dirty little secret known to many inside the energy industry and few outside of the industry is that less than 1/5th (18%) of the Department of Energy's nearly $30 billion/year budget is spent on programs in the "Energy" category."

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/rodadams/2016/12/14/governor-perry-from-energy-state-to-department-of-energy/#25741ad22623

Look, the fact of the matter with Sessions is that he was denied a Federal judgeship because he was too racist while a Republican was in power. That is a fact. Random articles and instances equivalent to "he has a black friend!" does not change that fact. Sessions also has a very poor record according to the SPLC and the ACLU.

Mnuchin and Ross may be highly successful in the private sector and have Ivy league diplomas, but so do plenty of other people. The public sector and private sector are different and success in one does not translate into success in the other. Why do you think they'll be successful in their role because they've made money for themselves?

The Departments of Education and Energy may be flawed but I'm not sure the right answer is to entirely destroy them and hope their absences will somehow improve the situation. I generally believe in improving existing institutions is a better albeit more difficult solution than to just destroy them. This holds even more true when it comes to education, a field I work closely in. America already trails behind other developed nations in test scores and continues to slip - absurd ideas like expanding charter schools, school vouchers, and breaking up teachers' unions are NOT the way to go. The profit motive should never be associated with education and beholden to corporate interests if you actually care about your country's educational success.

As for the others - they are only "good" if Trump's aim is to dismantle government and stop it from working. The original post was regards to the lower and middle classes and on that criteria all these individuals support and champion policies that are completely against Trump's campaign promises of being a champion of the common man and little people. They are the same "globalist elites" Trump was rallying against throughout his entire campaign, yet here they are everywhere in his cabinet. They will end up hurting the lower and middle class. Those same little people and common citizens who supposedly put him into power.

Hilarious. Did you copy/paste all that from Huffington Post? It's all wrong.

You've been conned by him and it's hilarious you don't even seem to realize it.

Ironic, because you've been conned. Many of these people are considered great picks by Trumpers. They didn't just want Sessions in the cabinet, many of us wanted him as the VP. The whole "Trump supporters got conned" narrative is for suckers who read HuffPo and WaPo. It's perfect for smug liberals because it lets them think they are smarter than everyone else without them actually having to do research on anything (pretty much just like all liberal disinfo).

Random article of Jeff Sessions passing a law that aims to lower racial disparities:

"Finally, Congress passed and President Obama signed the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010, reducing the racial disparity. Mr. Sessions was one of the bill’s three lead authors—a testament to his doggedness in the pursuit of equal justice. Mr. Sessions specifically argued that this created unfair racial disparities, since crack was the drug of poor inner cities, while powder was favored by white Wall Streeters." (This is racist?)

Source: http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-racist-smear-against-jeff-sessions-1480465010

Random article of Jeff Sessions cracking down on the KKK after a black man was murdered in 80s:

"When he was U.S. attorney in Alabama, his office investigated the 1981 murder of Michael Donald, a black man who was kidnapped, beaten and killed by two Klansmen who hanged his body in a tree. The two men were later arrested and convicted." (Even scoring compliments from a former US Justice attorney).

Source: http://fortune.com/2016/11/19/jeff-sessions-race-civil-rights/

I guess this is subjective, which means asserting either side as a fact in both of our arguments would be quite useless so I'm just going to stop there with that. I tend to believe people who execute in their lives like that will have the drive to execute in the Govt, just an opinion however.

Yet they are working with him, not controlling him like HRC, and to believe he would be I mean he's worth 3.7b dollars. Just no benefit tbh and those are the socialites he associates himself with so ofc they will be picked. They also dominate IMO.

These depts suck, lets get rid of them (Toss education to the states, abolish the energy dept. and impose a carbon tax etc.) They barely spend money on anything and are wastes of space, which means they are a waste of taxpayer money.

Prove it.

Don't tell no one but political parties are cults the deeper you get into it.

For sure ardent Trump supporters are cult like. They ignore all facts and bow to their leader.

@LJS9502_basic: they like to show their colors now that they are the majority. It's about to be a bull ride and it's only kicking off just getting started.