Any good or bad incidents with cops in your life?

In most of my encounters with the police, they've been professional and kind. It also helps that I'm polite, honest, and respond to their commands. When I get pulled over, I'll immediately roll down my window and keep both hands on the steering wheel, where they can see them, until after he/she has approached my vehicle.

Once, during a night of drinking, I was pulled over in a college campus. I had drank heavily that night, to the point of puking and passing out. By the time I decided to drive home, I hadn't had anything to drink for nearly 4 hours. I was pulled over, told the office the entire (true) story, and given a field sobriety test and breathalyzer. They cuffed me up and took me to the police station. At the station, they gave me a second breathalyzer. After 30 minutes of waiting, the officer returned and told me that my story checked out. At the scene, my BAC was .078 (.08 is the legal limit) and my BAC had dropped with the second breathalyzer. They didn't charge me with a crime and drove me home (as they had impounded my car). I think that if I had lied and said that I hadn't been drinking, I probably would have been arrested.

I've only had one "bad" incident with a cop, and that was an off-duty cop in their personal vehicle. I was in the right lane of a 4-lane divided highway. I had another car next to me in the left lane, and the cop (of course, I didn't know it was a cop) pulled out in front of me and wouldn't let me pass. He then radioed me ahead as a drunk driver (hadn't had a drop of alcohol) and had me pulled over by an on-duty officer who subjected me to a sobriety test.

I should but I don't LOL

Wow dude, I never thought I'd see you defend racism. I always thought you were better than that.

Dude what the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about cops. Never once did I mention racism.

It's still the same thing. You're judging one person for the actions of a completely different person. That only works when operating under the premise that all people of that group are the same. So take out the word "cop" and substitute it with "black guy" or "jewish person".

"Settle down. It's valid to form opinions based on personal experience. If you've never had a good experience with a black guy, of course it's going to be important in your own feelings. You can't take someone who has had five experiences with a black guy....all of them negative and expect a positive outcome."

I'm pretty sure that someone who came here making that claim would get torn apart pretty quickly. So, please explain how it's acceptable to use that logic to hate police that you don't know, but why the same doesn't apply to blacks or jews or christians or gays. Your whole point is that it's reasonable to hate one person because of the actions of a completely different person. That implies that racism and homophobia and misogyny and religious intolerance are a-okay, provided that a different person actual was a dick. If that's not the case, then what makes it okay to apply this logic to cops but not to anyone else?

No it's not the same thing.

Bad experiences have nothing to do with judging others. If the only experience you have with cops is bad then that is the correct answer for you. Likewise if they are all good experiences your answer is in line. No where is anyone talking about judging an entire demographic.

You keep saying that's not the same, but you have yet to explain the fundamental difference.

"If the only experience you have with blacks is bad, then that is the correct answer for you."

Again, explain the fundamental difference here. The argument is exactly the same, all I did was swap out one noun for another. So please explain to me why that is okay when the noun is "cops", but not okay when the noun is "blacks".

Racism.....a belief that a race is inferior. Experience....something one has lived through. You play the racism card....no one here is talking about racism and a the topic title was good or bad incidents with police. There are NOT the same thing.

University cops at the U of M:

My friend's big brother from his frat doesn't drink, so he was driving my car. He drove us around and a couple other people. We went out to a few places and we were all drunk (expect the driver since he doesn't drink). At the end of the night it was my friend, his big brother and myself in the car. We weren't speeding, didn't run any stop sign or light and a cop pulls us over.

He can smell the alcohol, this is obvious, but he tells us we were pulled over because we match the description of 4 white males driving around in a White 2-door Ford Escort that has been breaking out car windows with a hockey stick. The car we were in was an awful off-white (actual color name was Almond) 4-door Ford Tempo (very different from a 2-door Ford Escort) and there was only 3 of us.

The cop leaves, comes back after backup arrives and they pull the driver out, cuff him and stick in a car. My buddy and I are drunk as hell, but sober up pretty quick. The cops f'ed with us for 5 or 6 minutes, telling us to get out of the car and then to not get out - to get our hands up and a few other stupid things. At the end, I hear a pump action shotgun and a cop standing outside of the car yelling at us to get out. My friend looks at him and says, "How the **** do you want us to get out of the car when you keep changing your fucking mind?".

We get out of the car, they cuff my friend and stick him in the squad with the driver. They didn't cuff me, but stuck me in another car. For the next 15 minutes a cop kept going between me and my friends trying to make shit up to try and pin the whole 'breaking out car windows" thing on us.

Cop tells me they found a metal handled ice scraper in the back seat that we were using - I told him no, we were told it was 4 males using hockey sticks, not an ice scraper. The cop leaves and comes back, he then tells me they found a wrist rocket tucked under the passenger's front seat that I was shooting out windows with - I told him no, the wrist rocket was in the trunk of the car, in the box with the receipt of when it was purchased (I gave him the date of the purchase and the cost of the wrist rocket) and the town and state it was purchased in. I then went on to explain to him the differences between a Ford Escort and Tempo.

Eventually they let us go, my friend and I got underage drinking (we both blew .21 or so) and they impounded my car because they said they "found" an empty alcohol bottle in the car that they flat out refused to show me. They're a bunch of cock suckers, if you ask me.

Outside of working with them, no experiences.

Racism is frequently based on experience. As in, I met a person of a different race, that person was an asshole, so now I take the position that all people of that race are assholes.

Again, how is that fundamentally different than hating all cops based on one bad experience with a cop? "Experience" still applies in both cases, so you can't sweep away the similarities by saying "I'm not talking about racism, I'm talking about experience." Experience is used to justify racism.

But you clearly know exactly what I'm talking about, and your continued attempts to beat around the bush show that you know you're wrong.

No. I don't see the two as equal. I just see you pulling the race card. Racism is built on unfamiliarity with individuals of other races. Ignorance actually.

And frankly in regard to a question about good or bad experiences with cops it's ridiculous for you to start ranting about racism. Just because individuals have bad experiences with cops does not equate to racism.

You're reaching here. You''re wrong. It's that simple.

I get pulled all the time, at least 10-15 times this year I've lost count.

It mainly because of the time of night I drive, finish work at about midnight then go for a 3 mile run with a couple of my colleagues/friends. So I'm driving through Liverpool from anywhere between 1-2am so they get suspicious.

They only ever ask were I have been and were I'm going thats it.

If that KKK member has had experiences where 100% of black people they came across robbed them, I'd totally understand where they were coming from.

Additionally, I'm not out persecuting cops or hanging them from trees and burning crosses in their front yard so your metaphor doesn't really hold up. I'm just stating my experiences with them. Not metaphors or parallels, but reality.

a police asking for my ID for no reason.. because he thinks he's smarter than me ... ... a years later .... he died in bike accident after having beer and KFC takeaway (body mutilated by a hit and run truck ).... karma lol

Hatred of all cops is based on unfamilarity with cops. Ignorance, actually. Unless you're telling me that the person who had 5 negative experiences with cops is familiar with the hundreds of thousands of cops that he's never met.

I'm "pulling the race card" because your logic applies in both cases. You've got three options here. You can either accept that by your logic racism is acceptable too, you can admit that you were wrong and your logic doesn't apply to cops either, or you can explain how your logic applies to cops and not to blacks or gays or muslims. You haven't done any of those things. You just keep on repeating, "bu...bu...but that's different" without explaining WHY.

If a white dude has only met one black dude, then that one black dude IS 100% of black people that he's come across. So, just to be clear, you're stating that it's perfectly a-okay to judge an entire race based on the actions of one single man? Because that's kind of what you said.

Also, the vast majority of the KKK isn't persecuting anyone or hanging anyone from trees or burning crosses in anyone's front yard either. Maybe you'd know that if you didn't rely on ignorance to form your judgements of people. So yes, the metaphor does hold up.

And no, you weren't just stating your experiences with cops. You stated your experience with cops and then used that as a basis to say "**** all cops". That's not "stating your experience" unless you actually had experience with all cops.

Had both good and and bad.

One time I got pulled over for tinted windows by this beautiful girl. God, she was probably the most beautiful female cop I have ever seen. I had an instant crush on her. She only asked me for my driver's license. She didn't even ask me for proof of insurance. She gave me warning, no ticket. She was really cool.

The other time, I got pulled over by some fat bastard on a motorcycle. He pulls me over and tells me who the f... am I to drive a brand new $70,000 Mercedes. He gave me a speeding ticket for going 4 mph over speed limit on a highway while some idiot was going 25-30 over speed limit on his piece of crap pickup truck at the same time. I hope this fat bastard crashes and dies.

Dude sometimes you go off on your little rants you actually make sense. But in this case did you happen to read the topic title? He asked about good or bad incidents with cops. Obviously if you have a preponderance of one or the other experiences it will form your opinion.

Yes you are pulling the race card. Racism has nothing to do with experiences. In fact, most of the racist people in the world have had little no experience with those they are racist against. You are comparing apples and oranges here. If an individual has exactly five interactions with cops and all are negative.....then don't expect him to say he has had good experiences with cops. Likewise someone with no interactions or a few positive experiences will feel differently about cops. They are both right about their experience....they would NOT however be right to say all cops are x or y. As I said there are good cops and bad cops.

Muslims and gay people are not races by the way dude. You cannot add them to the term racism and pat yourself on the back. I believe you are veering into intolerance....not racism.

I suppose if you lived in a town where all your experiences with a certain group were negative it would affect your opinion on such group....but reacting to negative experiences does not necessarily entail racism nor intolerance. You are painting things with a broad brush here due. Likewise having good experiences does not inherently make one tolerant.

You are trying to go too deep into a question about personal experiences with cops. Why I don't know....but I do find it telling that you mention various groups that one can be intolerant toward and leave off the Caucasians. Do you think people aren't racist against white people? Very telling indeed Geez....I'm surprised at you.

As much as people don't want to admit it, it probably does.

That's not to say that most cops are bad. Pretty sure most cops are good people just trying to do their jobs. But from my experience, even clean cut, well spoken black people tend to have more negative experiences with the police than the average white person. It's more of a societal problem than a cop problem TBH.

1) "But in this case did you happen to read the topic title? He asked about good or bad incidents with cops." Yeah, exactly. He asked about good or bad experiences with cops. What he DIDN'T do was ask people to give their opinion of all cops. Notice that I didn't reply until someone basically said that all cops are shit.

2) "they would NOT however be right to say all cops are x or y." That's EXACTLY what the dude did. He stated that cops are shit, and even the supposedly good cops are still shit for being cops. So, if you agree that it would not be right to say "all cops are x or y", then stop arguing for the sake of arguing when I call someone else out for saying that "all cops are x or y".

3) "Muslims and gay people are not races by the way dude. You cannot add them to the term racism and pat yourself on the back. I believe you are veering into intolerance....not racism." Yeah, no shit. That's the entire point. They aren't all racism, but they are all intolerance based on ignorance. Do you know what racism is an example of? Intolerance based on ignorance.

4) And as far as your point about not mentioning caucasians, just shut up. Seeing as how I was talking about intolerance based on ignorance, it's a pretty juvenile-ass complaint to make that I didn't specifically mention every single group that could possibly experience intolerance. I mentioned a few examples that have been hot-button issues relatively recently, and that's enough to make my point. I don't need to specifically mention every single example of intolerance based on ignorance, I only need to mention a few (or even one) examples to put your reasoning to test. Racism was apparently a good example simply because you get so defensive of it. You're not racist? You think that racism is bad? Okay. Then stop arguing for the sake of arguing and admit that the previous guy's anti-cop statement was shit.

Most of my real life experience with the police, detectives, lawyers, judges and law enforcement officials in general has been good. (I live in Canada, I cannot speak for the USA.)

1. Then if that is your objection you need to discuss this with that individual since my stance in this thread is there are good and bad cops....so why the **** you are arguing someone else's argument with me is beyond ridiculous.

2. See number 1 above. Again since that has not been my argument in this thread it's rather silly of you to keep inferring it is. Discuss that point with the person that made it.....not me.

3. If it's the entire point then say intolerance....not racism. Really hard to discuss a topic when you use words incorrectly.

4. Ah the double standard in regard to racism rears it's ugly head. Minorities can be and are racist toward Caucasians. You didn't make any points in this discussions since MY ENTIRE POINT IN THIS THREAD IS PEOPLE ARE TALKING PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HERE. Period.

1) Dude, he replied to me, I replied to him, then you took issue with my response to him. Therefore, if anything, it was YOU butting into a discussion that you didn't understand. I didn't talk to you until you talked to me, and my comment was in relation to a comment made by a completely different person.

2) See above.

3) I did say intolerance. I also said racism. I also said misogyny. Learn how to follow a discussion.

4) And "personal experience" is often used to justify racism. Period. Just like "personal experience" with cops is used to justify hating all cops, or "personal experience" with homeless people is used to hate all homeless people. Period. Double period. Infinity periods, since periods are now apparently used in place of supportimg anguments.

I see them breaking little laws all the time, running yellow lights when they could had stopped easily, running reds all with no siren on, walking straight past homeless people drinking alcohol, smoking weed, urinating in public (the homeless not the cops) while if I did any of that I would be arrested in a second, Cops speeding, cops not indicating to change lanes or turn off the road they are on. It's all small things that could potentially cause large problems, the police should set an example but they don't.

I have been ticketed before for doing the speed limit at a road works section, the police obviously kept the past speed gun reading and used it on me, I know they target certain looking cars, that's why I wont ever have a car that looks "done up" ever again.