Americans criticise European reaction to Bin Laden

It just seems to me that America has waged a one man army war on terrorism, granted it had military allies. But do Americans feel that terrorism has mostly affected them? Do they really think that the U.S population is the only one to have ever experienced terrorism? Because the stamp on terrorism, or for some even its definition, seems to be the date, 9/11.

I mean it just feels as though the madrid, london bombings and Mumbai attacks are being entirely neglected, not to mention the IRA that has being doing it for years, funded by Americans.

I think of this only because now some Americans are criticising the European reaction to Bin Laden's death. It seems odd that labels such as 'cheese-eating surrender monkeys' would be flying around.

European reaction has on a level been appallment, but of relative silence, compared to American jubiliation.

To me, in appearances, American jubiliation doesn't seem all that different from the Muslims' following the Twin Towers' collapse - yet they were accused of barbarity.

To me, in appearances, American jubiliation doesn't seem all that different from the Muslims' following the Twin Towers' collapse - yet they were accused of barbarity.

IAMTHEJOKER88

I find it a little bit insulting that some people are even comparing the two.

It just seems to me that America has waged a one man army war on terrorism, granted it had military allies. But do Americans feel that terrorism has mostly affected them? Do they really think that the U.S population is the only one to have ever experienced terrorism? Because the stamp on terrorism, or for some even its definition, seems to be the date, 9/11.

I mean it just feels as though the madrid, london bombings and Mumbai attacks are being entirely neglected, not to mention the IRA that has being doing it for years, funded by Americans.

I think of this only because now some Americans are criticising the European reaction to Bin Laden's death. It seems odd that labels such as 'cheese-eating surrender monkeys' would be flying around.

European reaction has on a level been appallment, but of relative silence, compared to American jubiliation.

To me, in appearances, American jubiliation doesn't seem all that different from the Muslims' following the Twin Towers' collapse - yet they were accused of barbarity.

IAMTHEJOKER88

I haven't seen anyone criticise European reaction but in no way is America's reaction similar to the Extremists reaction about the Twin Tower.

people hate it when i say it, but im going to do it anyways :P

hypocrisy is Americas thing. Thats how they roll.

I'm an American and I don't know what you're talking about when it comes to European reactions. In the case of 9/11, that's the first time the U.S. has successfullybeen attacked by someone outside of our borders, that's why the date is important here. I'm sure in Europe the dates or locations are held in higher regard, if not then I'm surprised.

people hate it when i say it, but im going to do it anyways :P

hypocrisy is Americas thing. Thats how they roll.

Half-Way

You really seem to hate America based off your past posts.

people hate it when i say it, but im going to do it anyways :P

hypocrisy is Americas thing. Thats how they roll.

Half-Way

Do you have a source to back this up ?

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people hate it when i say it, but im going to do it anyways :P

hypocrisy is Americas thing. Thats how they roll.

__Chris__

You really seem to hate America based off your past posts.

well if you followed my posts, you would know that america stands for everything that i dislike.

Hate is a strong word, its just that the american government is the opposite of what i would want a government to be.

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[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

people hate it when i say it, but im going to do it anyways :P

hypocrisy is Americas thing. Thats how they roll.

Half-Way

You really seem to hate America based off your past posts.

well if you followed my posts, you would know that america stands for everything that i dislike.

Hate is a strong word, its just that the american government is the opposite of what i would want a government to be.

well if you followed my posts, you would know that america stands for everything that i dislike.

Hate is a strong word, its just that the american government is the opposite of what i would want a government to be.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

people hate it when i say it, but im going to do it anyways :P

hypocrisy is Americas thing. Thats how they roll.

LJS9502_basic

i wouldn't base it on the whole population, i base it on the government.

There are governments that are obviously worse, but none have as much power. I just dont think the worlds most powerful country should be like this.

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people hate it when i say it, but im going to do it anyways :P

hypocrisy is Americas thing. Thats how they roll.

Half-Way

i wouldn't base it on the whole population, i base it on the government.

There are governments that are obviously worse, but none have as much power. I just dont think the worlds most powerful country should be like this.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="__Chris__"]

You really seem to hate America based off your past posts.

LJS9502_basic

well if you followed my posts, you would know that america stands for everything that i dislike.

Hate is a strong word, its just that the american government is the opposite of what i would want a government to be.

i have made many lists lol, people ask me that all the time. Looking at my post history isnt that hard.

As for a quick list. Denmark,Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Netherlands, New Zealand. ect.

Some of what i'm talking about....

American Celebration

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I see hypocrisy in citizens of other countries as well...so why point at one? LJS9502_basic

i wouldn't base it on the whole population, i base it on the government.

There are governments that are obviously worse, but none have as much power. I just dont think the worlds most powerful country should be like this.

its about help vs war. Some countries manage to help more then they destroy.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

i wouldn't base it on the whole population, i base it on the government.

There are governments that are obviously worse, but none have as much power. I just dont think the worlds most powerful country should be like this.

Half-Way

its about help vs war. Some countries manage to help more then they destroy.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

well if you followed my posts, you would know that america stands for everything that i dislike.

Hate is a strong word, its just that the american government is the opposite of what i would want a government to be.

Omni-Slash

from the middle east durr hurr :roll:

Is it so hard to believe that my criticism for the American government comes from an individual perspective and that i dislike nationalism more then anything else?

I dont feel patriotic for my country at all, if they do something that i consider wrong, i will criticism them. If they do something i consider right i will applaud them.

Some of what i'm talking about....

American Celebration

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Like what? We always help out other countries....and that includes those we've waged war with.....LJS9502_basic

its about help vs war. Some countries manage to help more then they destroy.

yeah, and those deserve criticism aswell.

As for America, if you want to play world police, dont be mad when you need to do some actually helping, other then destroying for self interests.

from the middle east durr hurr :roll:

Is it so hard to believe that my criticism for the American government comes from an individual perspective and that i dislike nationalism more then anything else?

I dont feel patriotic for my country at all, if they do something that i consider wrong, i will criticism them. If they do something i consider right i will applaud them.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

its about help vs war. Some countries manage to help more then they destroy.

Half-Way

yeah, and those deserve criticism aswell.

As for America, if you want to play world police, dont be mad when you need to do some actually helping, other then destroying for self interests.

so basically you're not gonna answer me?.that's your perogative......I'm just curious what your background is....if your need to overact and defend yourself by making snide remarks is so great...maybe it's something that you should take the time to exam....Omni-Slash

Complaining about how we celebrate the death of Osama is like complaining about how ENGLAND, FRANCE, CANADA, AUSTRALIA and OTHER ALLIED COUNTIRES celebrated the death of Adolf Hitler...

Its trollin yo...

What? Do they expect us to go out on the streets and chant 'God Bless America'? Disregarding the fact that I find this action dubious on both a legal and moral level, I don't think that Americans have the right to dictate how we should react to something that most of us frankly care very little about.

In the words of Michael Jackson: leave us alone, you're being ignorant.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

from the middle east durr hurr :roll:

Is it so hard to believe that my criticism for the American government comes from an individual perspective and that i dislike nationalism more then anything else?

I dont feel patriotic for my country at all, if they do something that i consider wrong, i will criticism them. If they do something i consider right i will applaud them.

Omni-Slash

well you asking me about my background obviously implies that you must think i have sworn loyalty to some random country that hates the USA lmao.

But believe it or not, there are actually individuals in this world. They are just few. But they have their own ideals and dont need a country to make them feel part of a group.

not to mention that i have already answered this question a few times in OT before. Imagine that. Some other Americans asked me aswell :P what a surprise.

I just wanted to say that i dont need a country full of accomplishments that i didnt have anything to do with, to make me feel better about myself and the place i live in.

well you asking me about my background obviously implies that you must think i have sworn loyalty to some random country that hates the USA lmao.

But believe it or not, there are actually individuals in this world. They are just few. But they have their own ideals and dont need a country to make them feel part of a group.

not to mention that i have already answered this question a few times in OT before. Imagine that. Some other Americans asked me aswell :P what a surprise.

I just wanted to say that i dont need a country full of accomplishments that i didnt have anything to do with, to make me feel better about myself and the place i live in.

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]so basically you're not gonna answer me?.that's your perogative......I'm just curious what your background is....if your need to overact and defend yourself by making snide remarks is so great...maybe it's something that you should take the time to exam....LJS9502_basic

lmao, its norway.

Its not like i haven't gotten this questions a million times before, from nationalistic Americans that are suuuper defensive of their own government.

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Some of what i'm talking about....

American Celebration

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Omni-Slash

On pincipal, considering the legality of these killings, what is the difference, both are barbaricly celebrating a person's death.

On pincipal, considering the legality of these killings, what is the difference, both are barbaricly celebrating a person's death.

IAMTHEJOKER88

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

well you asking me about my background obviously implies that you must think i have sworn loyalty to some random country that hates the USA lmao.

But believe it or not, there are actually individuals in this world. They are just few. But they have their own ideals and dont need a country to make them feel part of a group.

not to mention that i have already answered this question a few times in OT before. Imagine that. Some other Americans asked me aswell :P what a surprise.

I just wanted to say that i dont need a country full of accomplishments that i didnt have anything to do with, to make me feel better about myself and the place i live in.

Omni-Slash

well i bash everything that i dont think is right, im sorry if thats not your way of doing things. And America being the center of the world. its not hard to get some info.

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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]so basically you're not gonna answer me?.that's your perogative......I'm just curious what your background is....if your need to overact and defend yourself by making snide remarks is so great...maybe it's something that you should take the time to exam....Half-Way

lmao, its norway.

Its not like i haven't gotten this questions a million times before, from nationalistic Americans that are suuuper defensive of their own government.

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]so basically you're not gonna answer me?.that's your perogative......I'm just curious what your background is....if your need to overact and defend yourself by making snide remarks is so great...maybe it's something that you should take the time to exam....LJS9502_basic

I'm from the UK.

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

well you asking me about my background obviously implies that you must think i have sworn loyalty to some random country that hates the USA lmao.

But believe it or not, there are actually individuals in this world. They are just few. But they have their own ideals and dont need a country to make them feel part of a group.

not to mention that i have already answered this question a few times in OT before. Imagine that. Some other Americans asked me aswell :P what a surprise.

I just wanted to say that i dont need a country full of accomplishments that i didnt have anything to do with, to make me feel better about myself and the place i live in.

Half-Way

well i bash everything that i dont think is right, im sorry if thats not your way of doing things. And America being the center of the world. its not hard to get some info.

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

On pincipal, considering the legality of these killings, what is the difference, both are barbaricly celebrating a person's death.

Omni-Slash

no absolutism it is... you have ot draw the line somewhere. Laws cannot be relativist.

I respect you a lot more for this post OP, and I entirely agree. The thing that separates the west from these terrorists should not be their beliefs. Everyone has their own beliefs, that is unavoidable. It is how they are carried out which defines who is right and who is wrong. "Terrorists" believed america was evil, and so they forcefully killed those they believed to be evil. To assume ones self to be better, and then call them evil, and carry out your action in exactly the same sense, killing an unarmed man. regardless of how many Osama may have killed, he was then murdered no differently. Nothing can be learnt from that, and nothing good will have come of it. Its a step further to celebrate on the streets about an un-tried mans death, with newspaper headlines such as "rot in hell" Osama forced his beliefs onto the US through murder, and the US has done exactly the same in return, and just like 9/11, it will only spark more hatred and war. This would have played right into his hands, its probably what osama wanted, in his own death he will spark more hatred towards the USA than he ever has. I'm not great with words, but that's my opinionOverlord93

Agreed. Better said than I.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Most of the time in these threads when the US is bashed....they won't mention their own country. Just something I've noticed...

LJS9502_basic

lmao, its norway.

Its not like i haven't gotten this questions a million times before, from nationalistic Americans that are suuuper defensive of their own government.

its not like i hide behind it, considering i have answered this question in multiple threads..

Excuse me for not taking every defensive american seriously then. Obviously some of their arguments are based on facts and not patriotism

American celebration? I don't celebrate the death of anyone. And in day to day life I have not encountered anyone that even mentions it. The media gives a skewed view that is not representative. Second.....I'm not sure what your point is about other attacks. Every country is more affected by their problems. I doubt 9-11 was a big deal in the UK, Spain...etc.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]American celebration? I don't celebrate the death of anyone. And in day to day life I have not encountered anyone that even mentions it. The media gives a skewed view that is not representative. Second.....I'm not sure what your point is about other attacks. Every country is more affected by their problems. I doubt 9-11 was a big deal in the UK, Spain...etc.Ravensmash

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

Some of what i'm talking about....

American Celebration

Similar thing

IAMTHEJOKER88

On pincipal, considering the legality of these killings, what is the difference, both are barbaricly celebrating a person's death.

You have got to be delusional if you think celebrating the death of a mass murder, who is sworn to take down your country, is equivalent to terrorists celebrating 3000 innocent people being killed.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

lmao, its norway.

Its not like i haven't gotten this questions a million times before, from nationalistic Americans that are suuuper defensive of their own government.

Half-Way

its not like i hide behind it, considering i have answered this question in multiple threads..

Excuse me for not taking every defensive american seriously then. Obviously some of their arguments are based on facts and not patriotism

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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] so let me get this straight....you're equating those thousands of asshats that celebrated when 3,000 civilians were murdered for doing nothing more than waking up and going to work one day....to drunk college kids finding out that the scumbag that was responsible for murdering 3,000 civilians was killed....... logic fail....__Chris__

On pincipal, considering the legality of these killings, what is the difference, both are barbaricly celebrating a person's death.

You have got to be delusional if you think celebrating the death of a mass murder, who is sworn to take down your country, is equivalent to terrorists celebrating 3000 innocent people being killed.

No i don't. Different scale, same principle. Both unarmed, both illegal deaths. I just think we should celebrate justice... not whatever this is.

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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]..the difference is..I don;t spend my time bashing other countries that I obviously know little to nothing about in a forum board to make myself feel important....heysharpshooter

well i bash everything that i dont think is right, im sorry if thats not your way of doing things. And America being the center of the world. its not hard to get some info.

yeah i obviously am, i would love to move to America. The Airport controls themselves are a dream come true :P

I've seen people comparing celebrating Osama's death to celebrating Hitler's, but I don't really get that, I don't think back in the 40s people were having street parties with bunting and tea because they heard that Hitler was dead. The war was still going on, it's not like it signals anything particularly significant on that score, and at the end of the day many more people would have been much more satisfied if he had be captured and then rightly tried at the Nuremberg Trials.

I think the same thing in this case. I think it was a good thing they found him and that it was a quick and clean operation in the end. But I don't see how simply killing him will make any difference and isn't anything worth celebrating particularly. I am disappointed he won't be subjected to a very public War trial.