All things related to Donald Trump's ever-growing legal woes

So I missed it in yesterday's court adventures (where Cohen detailed every aspect of Trump's intention to pay hush money to ilegally influence the election, and Trump's knowledge of the cover-up attempt to hide those payments)...

...but at one point yesterday, Trump's lawyer said that they don't have any rebuttal witnesses at the moment. They're thinking of bringing in an expert witness next week, but they might not even do that.

What does that mean?

It means Trump doesn't want to testify.

This explains why he's in such a tantrum about the gag order (which doesn't stop him testifying, but tricks his cult into thinking he is being silenced) and why he needs his minions to front the media in front of the courthouse (because he wants to spread his version of events without anyone fact-checking him).

It's pathetic, but nothing new for Mr Trump.

Trump's cheerleader team... Intimidation much?

It's so weird. Imagine if the DNC descended upon the Menendez trial to defend him. Thing is I've only seen THE OPPOSITE from them, Democrats bashing him and wanting him to quit asap.

How do right wingers not see this as fucked up?

They either don't know anything about the law, or they don't care about upholding the law.

I can't see any other explanation.

I phrase I've become fond of in order to just accept this (so I can move on with my life instead of trying to reason with these people) is "you can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into".

There is no explanation, at least not one we can understand. I am sure some psychologists could diagnose these people with various mental health issues though. But if you're trying to logic your way to understanding Trump supporters...it just isn't going to happen.

@mrbojangles25: A few psychological opinion pieces I've read claim it's fear. Granted there hasn't been much study done but so far that is the initial diagnosis from various psychologists.

The law is for other people... You know, non republican voters.

The trial is going to be over in a few days, and Donald hasn't volunteered to testify yet.

Just to be clear, he is allowed to testify. He has every opportunity to testify. He could testify later this week. If he doesn't testify, it's because his team knows it'll do more harm than good, and they chose not to testify.

So don't be surprised next week when Donald whines about not being allowed to speak at court. That's his default lie. Hopefully a few of his supporters are smart enough to recognise the lie this time.

Trump Campaign to Sue 'The Apprentice' Biopic Over Rape Scene (thewrap.com)

Trump Campaign Says It Will Sue Makers of ‘Pure Garbage’ Biopic That Shows Him Raping Ex-Wife Ivana

“The Apprentice” starring Sebastian Stan premiered at Cannes on Monday with the shocking scene

Does he even have any recourse? Last time he sued someone for calling him a rapist, the courts rejected it because he was actually found liable for sexual assault and rape. But this is a different instance, and it's an alleged rape instead of a court confirmed one. I wonder if he can win this time.

@Planeforger: He closed his defense without testifying.

On to closing arguments next week.

Nah. Not going to happen.

Is that based on your expertise in enforcing the law, and in addition, the expertise in litigation involving criminal matters involving state and federal laws?

I would sometimes like to see publications go full-on troll (but with tact, and technically correct) with their headlines. THis should read "Certified known rapist and repeat sex offender to sue filmmakers that say he is the rapist the law says he is"

Anyway, best of luck to the filmmakers. With Trump currently undergoing dozens of charges, many of which could place him in prison, I'd argue it's a good time to push one's luck concerning Trump. Dude might be too busy for the next few years.

No, my expertise is in consumer law. In the distant past I've studied/had training on civil procedure, rules of evidence law, cross examinations for criminal cases, etc., but I ultimately decided to keep criminal law as a hobby rather than a profession.

Anyway, none of that really matters. A child with a basic understanding of how courts work can see that Trump is breaking the rules and ignoring direct instructions from the judge. It's a pretty basic idea that both sides should make the best arguments they can, and shouldn't try to intimidate witnesses or undermine the authority of the judge.

Any adult with critical thinking skills should be able to discern why, for example, Trump keeps pretending that he wants to testify but makes up excuses for not doing so. Or why Trump's statements to the media are so different to his statements in court.

And then anyone with a background in law enforcement should immediately be able to see right through Trump, because they deal with people like him every day.

In what respect? And I can definitely tell it's a hobby with closely monitoring all things Trump from on your participation in this thread.

I'm not quite sure a child is an applicable parallel here, especially since children have difficulty understanding decorum in classrooms... must less a courtroom, but I appreciate the chuckle when it comes to hyperbolic silliness. My almost 3-year-old is still trying to learn the decorum of dinnertime... albeit that's a losing battle for a while.

Trump's persona speaks for itself and is entirely ego driven which clearly can't unmask itself with impunity in a courtroom.

I definitely do not deal with folks like Trump every day (thankfully). I investigate, interview and arrest those who prey on prepubescent and pubescent children.

Case should be thrown out, prosecution failed to show any evidence of the crime alleged.

@sargentd: what's funny is that Trumpers believe that the 2020 election was stolen based on exactly zero evidence, but this case, which has actual evidence, is a witch hunt and somehow proves that the Deep State totally made Trump sleep with a women and then pay her off with campaign funds. dang... the Deep State is just so clever.

What evidence?? Michael cohens word? Lol

in what world would any juror on that trial vote to convict?

trumpers have proven themselves to be unhinged folks, there's no way jurors are not gone after by some dummy if they voted to convict...

@sargentd: words are the only thing you needed to make you believe that the 2020 election was stolen. i guess when you're in a cult, you believe your cult leader's words above all else, no matter how foolish it makes you look.

but as to your remark, yes, let's just ignore the fake invoices and checks signed by Trump himself. The Deep State did all that.

This is an op-ed in video format by a confirmed fake news blogger who was so dumb he had to drop out of school in the 5th grade. I wouldn't eat his flipped burgers, much less his legal opinion. This is worse than Alex Jones, you are insulting the intelligence of everyone here including yourself.

Be better. No more bald posts.

This is objectively false.

Donald Trump trial evidence: See photos, notes and books shown to jury (usatoday.com)

‘Pay With Cash:’ The Evidence Against Trump at Hush Money Trial - Bloomberg

Please sarge, a quick google search shows that almost any video you post is false on a pure reality based level.

I think sarge is larping.

@robertos: He doesn't care if there are facts, he'll continue to say there isn't. You can't reach people that run from the truth and wrap themselves in a blanket of cult of personality.

Explain to me the crime being alleged and what evidence proves such crime was made.

Seriously type it out. I'm not signing up to Bloomberg to use your link.

Simple enough request, I'll say it again.

Explain to me the crime being alleged and what evidence proves such crime was made

The USA today article is a joke lol and excerpt from one of Trump's books saying "I sign all my checks so I know where my money is going" is evidence??? Yeah right!!! Lololol

Oh here's a picture of Trump with stormy.. again doesn't prove anything about the crime being alledged..

And lastly a bill statement to Cohen with chicken scratch notes written on it..

Good luck with that BS.

They were supposed to prove Trump was paying off Stormy to protect his campaign. They Failed to do so, whether he banged her or not literally doesn't matter. Whether he had a NDA or not literally doesn't matter.

You had to prove he misused money, the alleged crime doesn't even make sense! They claim he should have had any payment listed to her as a campaign expense.. (Cohen just charged Trump a vague legal expense as his lawyer)

If he had listed it as a campaign expense.. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ILLEGAL.

Can't spend campaign money on personal matters.

Literally trying to turn some thing legal Into being illegal..

Case is absolute nonsense.

I get why Bragg originally didn't want to pursue it..

@sargentd: a Trumper asking for evidence is beyond hilarious, and also futile since they will denounce whatever evidence you show them. in other words, it's a cult.

Cus you don't have any evidence champ!

Evidence has been presented multiple times. Many of those who have brought it up in all cases have been trumpers. You just ignore it. Bad way to go through life FYI.

@sargentd: perhaps you can find an adult who can explain the evidence to you with big, colorful pictures. then maybe you'll understand it that way.

"Explain to me the crime being alleged and what evidence proves such crime was made"

Nobody here can do it lol..

I'm so hype for Trump 2024 this shit is hilarious!! 😂

Trump Rocks the Bronx

@sargentd: Is that where Trump claimed to pull 25 000 people in audience?

@horgen: And it was 3500.

Permit for event was for 3,500, authorities estimated 8,000-10,000 showed up

@sargentd: You're still inflating and we've seen the pictures. Small crowd.

Think we will come to a verdict next week?

Things aren't looking good for trump. You would know this if you listened to real lawyers rather than someone who dropped out of school after 5th grade.

Since you like YouTube so much, here is a Lawyer's youtube video.

I literally did this in two links days ago.

Donald Trump trial evidence: See photos, notes and books shown to jury (usatoday.com)

‘Pay With Cash:’ The Evidence Against Trump at Hush Money Trial - Bloomberg

Trolling?

Again reposting a garbage link I already explained to you is not evidence of the crime alleged

@sargentd: Just be honest and admit you don't care if a criminal is in charge. This pretense of no evidence is fooling no one with any degree of intelligence.

I think the most remarkable aspect of this novel, and (really) partisan, prosecution is that we made it through the entire trial without any evidence on the second crime. I imagine we will hear about it in final arguments (or we might not), but the jurors are not allowed to take into account any new evidence in the closing arguments. It's a summary of the case, or rather the theater side for prosecutors and defense lawyers. It's very bizarre, especially since the Judge ruled that jurors don't actually even have to agree on what that second crime even is. lol It was interesting to hear some insight from a retired local judge of mine about this case and it had him befuddled to say the least.

Simple request

"Explain to me the crime being alleged and what evidence proves such crime was made"

You don’t care about evidence, Sarge. If you did, you wouldn’t believe that the election was stolen.

Attempts to downplay the severity of Trump's alleged crimes shows just how dangerous political tribalism can be. As of now Trump is innocent (until he is proven guilty), but things really are not looking good for him.

I do think however that it is plausible that not all 12 jurors will be convinced. And we end up with a hung jury. Either way, best not to jump to conclusions.

@Maroxad: @MirkoS77:

Simple request

"Explain to me the crime being alleged and what evidence proves such crime was made"

This will be a good critical thinking exercise for both of you

I promise

I'm curious on where you believe on the severity scale this "falsified business records to conceal another crime" is?

Remember, the prosecution was rather nebulous on what the other crime was (they didn't specify which crime it was only a few options which it could be). Additionally, the entirety of the "intent" for "these criminal acts" relies on the sole testimony of Michael Cohen to establish the link (or what we call the mens rea). Now, I don't think anyone thinks Michael is what we call a "strong witness" and a bastion of good character, plus he clearly has it out for Trump (even admitting stealing from him) and has a financial necessity (social media presence, book deal, etc) for this trial taking place. What are your thoughts on Michael Cohen and his credibility? I imagine you have previously spoken a few times about him in Political Gamers forum.

You don’t care about evidence, Sarge. If you did, you wouldn’t believe that the election was stolen.

What good is it to provide evidence when evidence is accepted or discounted not on its own merits, but due to partisan politics and tribalism?

You're not operating in good faith in your request, and you know it. Don’t waste our time.

Deflection, never did I say this. Not once in this entire thread.

You can't even attempt to answer my simple request..

This L is yours my friend. You have no evidence and you have no crime.

You don't need to say it ITT, you've stated this position numerous times in others, and in other exchanges we've had. It's not a deflection, it directly bears on your desire to substantiate evidence in the establishment of the claims of Trump's guilt. If you're going to demand evidence, then prove you stand behind it when it doesn't serve your favor.

Let's settle this: state here and now that you believe the 2020 election was legitimate, not stolen, that Trump's claims are blatant lies, and Biden is the legitimately elected president.

Aside, I honestly don't even care about this case. Who honestly cares if Trump paid off a porn star? This is not pressing to national interests, IMO, everyone with a brain cell in their head knows Trump is a liar and corrupt. I do, however, care about the attempt to overthrow our elections, along with bragging to others using our classified information. That is where his lies and corruption directly affect me and my country.

No one cares about your legal opinion. I gave you the alleged evidence and crimes as stated in court.

But since you're having some trouble, here you go:

Whether you or Tim Pool believe this is true or not is not relevant. The jury will decide given the evidence, which exists.

That being said, this is relatively the weakest case. The documents case is a sure fire win with mountains of evidence, but Judge Canon severely stalled that due to some bizarre reasons - stumping legal experts. She saved Trump lol, he has zero shot if it makes to trial. It would have gone to court by now if it was a normal judge.

Trump making a memorial day rant all about him and being the true victim might actually take the cake as the most pathetic thing he has done yet. Unbelievable example of mankind.