17 year old sentenced to attend church for 10 years

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

I guess they'll teach good morals even if he doesn't want to delve into faith.

sune_Gem

As far as I was aware, most teach children to be well mannered, polite, and to give what they'd expect to be given themselves in order to please God.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

So no jail time, just church? What?

theone86

In fairness, they're pretty similar. The really big difference is that in jail the sodomy doesn't stop at puberty.

It's only illegal if it gets overturned on appeal. What, is the defendant's family going to appeal and demand prison time instead?

KiIIyou

Who is this?

[QUOTE="KiIIyou"]WhiteKnight77

Who is this?

a search by image thingy gave me the name : Kyary Pamyu Pamyu

found that same image when i image searched the name.

wouldnt have guessed she was japanese by that image.:P

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Who is this?

konvikt_17

a search by image thingy gave me the name : Kyary Pamyu Pamyu

found that same image when i image searched the name.

wouldnt have guessed she was japanese by that image.:P

Check out this pic I found of her. I thought her to be someone else, but for some reason, I can't drag pics into Google to do a search. I did it once and haven't been able to do it since.

What a freaky costume she is wearing. It has 6 eyes on it.:shock:

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Who is this?

WhiteKnight77

a search by image thingy gave me the name : Kyary Pamyu Pamyu

found that same image when i image searched the name.

wouldnt have guessed she was japanese by that image.:P

Check out this pic I found of her. I thought her to be someone else, but for some reason, I can't drag pics into Google to do a search. I did it once and haven't been able to do it since.

What a freaky costume she is wearing. It has 6 eyes on it.:shock:

oh my, thats...different.:P

i had to open up two windows and put them side by side then drag the image across.:P

Its only a thing he does for an hour a week, its almost like community service... Except it takes a retardedly long time to get through.

As long as the kid agreed to the punishment, who cares how he serves it. Being that he is learning a trade is a plus. Maybe he can make something of it and do something worthwhile.

This better get overturned.

A disgusting misuse of power.

However the rest of his sentene makes perfect sense. I'm glad to see some get an otherwise practicle sentence for a crime, instead of hard time, which teaches nothing.

Maybe he'll learn something at least I would hope so.

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]Id rather be on probation and go to church than go to jail if i killed someone like that though i would probably kill myself honestly. couldnt live with that guilt.KiIIyou

This better get overturned.

A disgusting misuse of power.

However the rest of his sentene makes perfect sense. I'm glad to see some get an otherwise practicle sentence for a crime, instead of hard time, which teaches nothing.

BuryMe

So send him to jail where he doesn't go to classes and does not graduate nor learn a trade? :roll:

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

This better get overturned.

A disgusting misuse of power.

However the rest of his sentene makes perfect sense. I'm glad to see some get an otherwise practicle sentence for a crime, instead of hard time, which teaches nothing.

WhiteKnight77

So send him to jail where he doesn't go to classes and does not graduate nor learn a trade? :roll:

That's why I said the rest of it makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

So send him to jail where he doesn't go to classes and does not graduate nor learn a trade? :roll:

BuryMe

That's why I said the rest of it makes perfect sense.

A plea bargain has to be agreed to. He agreed to said sentence so as to not go to jail. Nothing to be overturned.

I want to know what the judges reasoning even was for this stupid church part...

You're right some of these judgers are out of control. I heard recently about some judge who sentenced a woman to public humiliation that involved holding up some signs detailing her crimes. Seriously, are we regressing as a society?

How is this even legal?
Dosen't separation of church and state prevent the use of church as a punishment?

Omni-Wrath

The message here though is that church is a punishment. Anyway, have fun at Sunday school kids!

You're right some of these judgers are out of control. I heard recently about some judge who sentenced a woman to public humiliation that involved holding up some signs detailing her crimes. Seriously, are we regressing as a society?

TacticalDesire

That wasn't the bus one, was it? Honestly, I don't find that all that bad. And quite appropriate. If I was the idiot, I could stomach that. This is just dumb though. The punishment needs to match the crime. In the scope of things, I don't give a damn about church & state; give him a punishment that'll make him actually think twice.

So church is now jail? lol

So church is now jail? lol

CHOASXIII

I don't think people should be forced to go to church, you can't force someone to believe in something. But the church does teach good values, so it's not all that bad I guess. I think the rest of his sentence is very appropriate. I just don't understand the bunch of gamespot users who want him in jail. This type of sentence looks far more appropriate in this case.

It's only illegal if it gets overturned on appeal. What, is the defendant's family going to appeal and demand prison time instead?

radicalcentrist

An Oklahoma teen convicted of manslaughter has sentenced to 10 years of probation, with requirements that include regularly attending church.

Tyler Alred, now 17, had been drinking when he crashed a pickup truckat around 4 a.m. on Dec. 3, 2011, Tulsa World reports. The accident killed Alred's friend, 16-year-old John Luke Dum, who was a passenger in the vehicle.

Alred was not legally drunk, but because he was below the legal drinking age, he was still considered to be driving under the influence of alcohol. The high school student pleaded guilty in August to a charge of manslaughter as a youthful offender.

"I did not want to do what I did," Alred told the court prior to his sentencing. "I want to change my life."

Members ofDum's family did not want to see Alred behind bars, the Muskogee Phoenix reported. "We don't need to see two lives wasted for a mistake," Dum's sister, Caitlin, wrote in a statement.

Instead of sentencing the teen to prison time, Judge Mike Norman gave him a 10-year deferred sentence. In order to stay out of prison, Alred must graduate from high school; graduate from welding school; take drug, alcohol and nicotine tests for a year; wear a drug and alcohol bracelet, take part in victim's impact panels, and attend church for the next 10 years.

This last requirement "raises legal issues because of (the separation of) church and state," University of Oklahoma law professor Randall Coyne told the Tulsa World.

University of Tulsa law professor Gary Allison told KTULthat the church requirement "speaks to maybe forcing people to do religious activities that they would otherwise not do on their own free will I don't know why a church would want to have someone come to it under the force of government,"

This apparently isn't the case for Alred, though. "My client goes to church every Sunday," defense attorney Donn Baker told the court. "That isn't going to be a problem for him."Laihendi

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These judges are getting ridiculous.

So you killed a person while drunk driving (underage) and the punishment these days is no alcohol and cigarettes for a year, wear a bracelet, and carry on with life as usual? I'm not sure how our legal system is allowed to throw church attendance in as a punishment, but where is the community service? Does victims panels count as community serivice? Where is jail time? f not jail time I feel like there is surely a harsher punishment we can come up with beyond no alcohol and nicotine.

The armchair lawyers here have no understanding how a plea bargain works. In order to get a plea bargain, that is agreed to by the prosecution and the accused, is that the accused waives all rights to appeal. If a defendent accepts a plea bargain, there is no appeal.

Legality

1. At the outset, it is important to note that the Supreme Court has repeatedly held that a criminal defendant can elect to waive many important constitutional and statutory rights during the plea bargaining process. See United States v. Mezzanatto, 115 S. Ct. 797, 801 (1995); Tollett v. Henderson, 411 U.S. 258, 267 (1973); Blackledge v. Allison, 431 U.S. 63, 71 (1977, cert. denied, 116 S. Ct. 548 (1995). Consistent with that principle, the courts of appeals have upheld the general validity of a sentencing appeal waiver in a plea agreement. See, e.g., United States v. Allison, 59 F.3d 43, 46 (6th Cir. 1995); United States v. Schmidt, 47 F.3d 188, 190 (7th Cir. 1995); United States v. Attar, 38 F.3d 727, 731 (4th Cir. 1994), cert denied, 115 S. Ct. 1957 (1995); United States v. Bushert, 997 F.2d 1343, 1350 (11th Cir. 1993), cert. denied, 115 S. Ct. 652 (1994); United States v. DeSantiago-Martinez, 980 F.2d 582, 583 (9th Cir. 1992), amended, 38 F.3d 394 (1994), cert. denied, 115 S. Ct. 939 (1995); United States v. Melancon, 972 F.2d 566, 567-568 (5th Cir. 1992); United States v. Rivera, 971 F.2d 876, 896 (2d Cir. 1992); United States v. Rutan, 956 F.2d 827, 829-830 (8th Cir. 1992).Plea Agreements and Sentencing Appeal Waivers -- Discussion of the Law

Now one can appeal if representation was lacking or was not effective (meaning that the lawyer really FUBARed in how he did his job), but from what has been stated, the defendent's lawyer did a good job.

I think from reading the article it was something the defendant/family wanted......so it's tacked on. Hold the hysteria batman....LJS9502_basic

Whether or not the defendant wanted it the judge was out of line in actually ruling it. And since when do we base sentences on what the defendant wants anyway?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I think from reading the article it was something the defendant/family wanted......so it's tacked on. Hold the hysteria batman....worlock77

Whether or not the defendant wanted it the judge was out of line in actually ruling it. And since when do we base sentences on what the defendant wants anyway?

Quite a lot actually. Court proceedings in sentencing are quite often based on bargaining, especially if the sentencing is being decided on in exchange for a guilty plea.

I don't like this ruling, but I don't see it as any worse really than any of these other inventive rulings Judges have been giving lately. Making a man wear a sign declaring that he is an idiot, forcing a mom to cut off her teenage daughter's hair right in court, etc. etc. seem much more out of line to me than this one.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I think from reading the article it was something the defendant/family wanted......so it's tacked on. Hold the hysteria batman....m0zart

Whether or not the defendant wanted it the judge was out of line in actually ruling it. And since when do we base sentences on what the defendant wants anyway?

Quite a lot actually. Court proceedings in sentencing are quite often based on bargaining, especially if the sentencing is being decided on in exchange for a guilty plea.

I don't like this ruling, but I don't see it as any worse really than any of these other inventive rulings Judges have been giving lately. Making a man wear a sign declaring that he is an idiot, forcing a mom to cut off her teenage daughter's hair right in court, etc. etc. seem much more out of line to me than this one.

I don't think plea bargans are necessarily giving sentences based on what the defendant wants, but rather what the prosecution is willing to offer.

I think they're all pretty out of line, but this one perhaps more so due to its violation of the Establishment Clause.

Only in the US.

Whats wrong with going to church in place of Jail? Going to Jail means career over, getting raped by convicts, blacklisted by society. For going to church you become a much better man than you are at present, get respect from society and above all you can lead a religious life.

Whats wrong with going to church in place of Jail? Going to Jail means career over, getting raped by convicts, blacklisted by society. For going to church you become a much better man than you are at present, get respect from society and above all you can lead a religious life.

indzman

No.

Only in the US.

ThisIsTwoFace