Why is Super Mario Galaxy so much better than Super Mario Sunshine?

I just "finished" Super Mario Galaxy. I haven't gotten ALL the stars, but I really don't have the time to.

BUT, what I was wondering is Why do people seem to hate Super Mario Sunshine so much and love Galaxy? I loved the controls and freedom and beauty that came with Galaxy, but Sunshine had its great points too.

I played and completed Super Mario Sunshine and I thought it was great. I ALSO LOVED Super Mario Galaxy. I just don't get what makes people hate the one and love the other. And please DON'T say graphics.

I'm just curious, that's all.

Mario - Water Gun = Instant Winmichael582

See, I don't get that. Was it really THAT bad to play with a water gun? Is THAT the reason for all the hate I sense in these forums?

I just "finished" Super Mario Galaxy. I haven't gotten ALL the stars, but I really don't have the time to.

BUT, what I was wondering is Why do people seem to hate Super Mario Sunshine so much and love Galaxy? I loved the controls and freedom and beauty that came with Galaxy, but Sunshine had its great points too.

I played and completed Super Mario Sunshine and I thought it was great. I ALSO LOVED Super Mario Galaxy. I just don't get what makes people hate the one and love the other. And please DON'T say graphics.

I'm just curious, that's all.

zstick7

I agree with everything you said there. I enjoyed Sunshine just as much as I enjoyed Galaxy. Its just a matter of opinion.

mario+freeroaming=1.0

mario+upsidedown planet hopping=10.0

Ok, maybe I didn't explain myself. I'd kinda like some real, substantial, credible, and supported opinions about why one over the other. Not just stuff like "Water gun sucks" or SMG>>>>>>>>>>>>SMS.

Give me reasons. Talk. Express.

mario+freeroaming=1.0

mario+upsidedown planet hopping=10.0

zubrick

Sunshine didn't have as much variety in its gameplay, really. Nearly everything used the water gun in some form or another over rather similar areas. Sure, the levels weren't all completely similar, but they all had that sun-drenched island feel. Mario Galaxy had much more variety; you had objectives requiring many different kinds of actions to accomplish, and the levels were all very unique; not all of them had a predominant in-space feel.-The-G-Man-

THANK YOU!!! That was a great response. I'm glad not everyone on these boards is limited to communicating through emoticons and abbreviations. Awesomesauce.

I'm going to add on to my comment and say that I am leaning more towards Sunshine as my favorite because of the free-roam elements. You had all of delfino to just mess around with. I spend countless hours just roaming, swimming, doing stupid stuff :P Also you had yoshi and the levels were quite a bit harder. I just really like free-roam games and Sunshine just really had that element in it to make me like it better. Although I am still kind of in the middle of the games because Galaxy has amazing graphics and gameplay elements.

I don't like cleaning stuff.yakk_3

You must not have played the full game, because a number of levels require no cleaning at all. In actuality, FLUDD was pretty much used for hovering and getting to higher places.

The reason why a lot of people didn't like Sunshine (my theory) is that it was too hard for them. That game had pure platforming brilliance, some of the best I've seen (I'm talking literally platforming here, like getting to the top of a mountain or structure. That kind of thing), but you had to be very precise at times or you'd fall.

Also, people thought it looked too "kiddy". It's a case of judging a book by its cover. The happy, sunny island seemed to turn away a lot of people, but if they actually played the game they'd see that this is definitely not a game for kids.

At this point, I'd have to say that I love both games equally, but Mario 64 beats them both.

Everyone hates on FLUDD, but think about it.

Isn't there something very similar in Galaxy? If anyone can guess, they win a cookie.

Everyone hates on FLUDD, but think about it.

Isn't there something very similar in Galaxy? If anyone can guess, they win a cookie.

bob_newman

Everyone hates on FLUDD, but think about it.

Isn't there something very similar in Galaxy? If anyone can guess, they win a cookie.

bob_newman

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]

Everyone hates on FLUDD, but think about it.

Isn't there something very similar in Galaxy? If anyone can guess, they win a cookie.

bededog

The Bee Suit is not what I was going for. Think of something that you have throughout the whole game...

[QUOTE="bededog"][QUOTE="bob_newman"]

Everyone hates on FLUDD, but think about it.

Isn't there something very similar in Galaxy? If anyone can guess, they win a cookie.

bob_newman

The Bee Suit is not what I was going for. Think of something that you have throughout the whole game...

[QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="bededog"][QUOTE="bob_newman"]

Everyone hates on FLUDD, but think about it.

Isn't there something very similar in Galaxy? If anyone can guess, they win a cookie.

bededog

The Bee Suit is not what I was going for. Think of something that you have throughout the whole game...

No, you got it right there.

Star bits are like FLUDD. Think about it. You shoot enemies, buttons, shoot them into Luma's mouths (like with Petey Piranha), and the like, in a similar fasion to FLUDD.

I can't find the interview right now, but Koizumi (Or Miyamoto, I can't remember exactly) even stated that this was the intention with the star bits. He also mentioned that the Bee suit was created to make up for the lack of FLUDD.

mario+freeroaming=1.0

mario+upsidedown planet hopping=10.0

zubrick

No, you got it right there.

Star bits are like FLUDD. Think about it. You shoot enemies, buttons, shoot them into Luma's mouths (like with Petey Piranha), and the like, in a similar fasion to FLUDD.

I can't find the interview right now, but Koizumi (Or Miyamoto, I can't remember exactly) even stated that this was the intention with the star bits. He also mentioned that the Bee suit was created to make up for the lack of FLUDD.

bob_newman

Star bits are similar to the FLUDD in how you shoot them, but they are not similar in practice. The FLUDD you are forced to use almost constantly. But the star bits you don't have to use them very much. How much do you use star bits outside of force feeding the lumas until they explode? Once or twice to get a coin, but besides that you don't use them much. I never used them to attack enemies, I always preferred to jump on them or use the spin attack. One of the best things about the star bits is that you have the option to use them or not.

Super Mario Sunshine felt more like a spin-off rather than sequel to Super Mario Bros. 64. Jakendo

[QUOTE="yakk_3"]I don't like cleaning stuff.bob_newman

You must not have played the full game, because a number of levels require no cleaning at all. In actuality, FLUDD was pretty much used for hovering and getting to higher places.

The reason why a lot of people didn't like Sunshine (my theory) is that it was too hard for them. That game had pure platforming brilliance, some of the best I've seen (I'm talking literally platforming here, like getting to the top of a mountain or structure. That kind of thing), but you had to be very precise at times or you'd fall.

Also, people thought it looked too "kiddy". It's a case of judging a book by its cover. The happy, sunny island seemed to turn away a lot of people, but if they actually played the game they'd see that this is definitely not a game for kids.

At this point, I'd have to say that I love both games equally, but Mario 64 beats them both.

I liked Sunshine better. There isn't much freedom in Mario Galaxy and the game was really easy(except for the toy time purple coins). For the purple coin stars, there was no challenge in finding any of the coins, like in the beach course where the coins are all visible the moment you start.

Also, it felt like you were repeatedly doing the same thing over and over again with the daredevil stars and speedy stars. For all the boss battles, it seemed like for every battle you would waggle the remote to deflect a projectile back at the enemy. It felt a little repetitive.

Sunshine was more challenging, less linear, and less repetitive than Galaxy, in my opinion.

Well I'd kind of like to see Mario turn into more of an adventure game. No more hubs where you "warp" or "teleport" or "fly" to wherever you're going. I'd like to see it be more of a world rather than a random set of things you have to jump on to get a star.

DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME!! I LOVE Mario and all the core Mario adventures since NES. I loved SMS and SMG! But I'd kind of like to experience Mario in another way. The platforming is fun, but a real world would feel more epic, I think. Like Super Mario RPG on the SNES, that was a world. I'd kind of like to see them do that once and see how it turns out.

let me clear this up mario 64 and galaxy were good with there limited freeroaming

i did not like super mario sunshine becuase of the npc where dumb and freeroming in this game just made me vomit and the whole premise of it blew

I just "finished" Super Mario Galaxy. I haven't gotten ALL the stars, but I really don't have the time to.

zstick7

well, i liked galaxy a little bit more, but they r both great in their own ways. i loved the water gun in sunshine, and the plot in galaxy......

and what do u mean by u don't have enough time to get all the stars?!?! then u really haven't finished the game yet.

Mario - Water Gun = Instant Winmichael582