'Me Too' Versions of Games? No Thanks, You've Got The Wrong Console.

A common theme I've been seeing here on the Wii boards has been bothing me for a while now and I haven't had time to address it until now. Its the fact that many Wii owners want 'Me Too' version's of software that is available on other platforms. Honestly, I'm really sick of people complaining about not getting these 'big named' titles on the Wii and I've decided to make this thread.

Over the past few months I've seen things like "Street Fighter IV for Wii?" "Resident Evil 5 for Wii?" "Dead Space for Wii?" (Before Extraction was announced), "Assassin's Creed for Wii?"

I've heard it all -- and really, I question why? Why do people want these "Me Too" versions of games? The reason I call them "Me Too" is because that is exactly what they will be -- ports that don't work well, that do not take advantage of the consoles hardware assets and games that, when compared to the consoles they were intended for, look laughable.

A game like Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles is much more welcomed for me than a port of Resident Evil 5. Why? Simple. It will take what the Wii is good at and expanding on it, without losing anything in translation -- Wii has already proved to be the platform for rail shooters. It has also proved to be a platform where recgonized band names (like the Resident Evil name) will sell well.

So I question why many of you complain that the Wii is not getting these games. You honestly want inferior ports? You want games that do not fully take advantage of the Wii's unique capabilities?

Basically, this is what I get out of it.

People want so desperately the Wii to be a clone of the other platforms.

The Wii is a console based off of the idea to be unique, to take risks, to get indie developers to make new, unique IPs or take established IPs and re-invent/mix up the formula. It is a console that can give you access to doing all these, without suffering a loss, due to its relatively cheaper development costs.

So I ask you -- Why did you buy the Wii? I honestly think many of you bought it for the wrong reasons. It's not a clone of the other two consoles.

Its a console that encourages creativity, uniqueness and risk taking -- it is not an 'upgrade' of the previous generation.

And that was Haziqonfire for you.

I agree with everything you said. Wii owners should get an PS3 or 360 if they havent already;).

The only reason why (i think) people buy the Wii is because of the motion controls andnothing else.

I agree with everything you said. Wii owners should get an PS3 or 360 if they havent already;).

KingBowser91

The only reason why (i think) people buy the Wii is because of the motion controls andnothing else.

blangenakker

That was a good argument. I think you're partially right, and here's why.

Yes, we shouldn't want watered down ports of games because let's be honest, that is what we'll get. However, there are some of these titles that, if they were built ground up for the Wii as opposed to being ported down, then they may be welcomed.

Like for example, Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition worked extremely well, and actually controls a heck of a lot better than Resident Evil 5 does. So, if the developers had put time and effort into a version for us, the game may have worked extremely well. I don't want to get shafted with a Rail shooter. And not that we are getting shafted, but that's what it feels like.

So yeah, I agree. When you purchased a Wii you knew what you were getting into. But that's not to say certain games should be avoided altogether because of the risk of "poor ports". Sometimes those ports may be really good or at least have the potential to be.

But I do agree whole-heartedly on one thing. If you own a Wii, stop complaining. You knew what you got yourself into.

If you own a Wii, stop complaining. You knew what you got yourself into.sonic_spark

A very good post sir Haziq and I do quite agree. If you're buying a Wii and you're asking why it doesn't have RE5 or SF4 then you bought the wrong console. Don't expect big named titles that will either translate poorly or be inferior to the others and start looking into the smaller titles like Muramasa, Arc Rise, LKS, whatever which we're getting and it's your fault, not the Wiis, if none of these peak your interest.

I bought wii because I have always been a Nintendo fan and I know that the wii wouldn't disappoint me. While I do get jealous when great games come out for the other consoles, I remind myself that the wii has its share of games that the other consoles don't. Xbox and PS3 don't have Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros, Metroid, No More Heroes, Madworld, and the list goes on. If all consoleshad the same games it wouldn't be very interesting.

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"] If you own a Wii, stop complaining. You knew what you got yourself into.garrett_duffman

Haha, you got me there. What i meant was, you could not expect huge graphical pieces (whether they are a good game or not) to go on a system with lower specs. So certain games have avoided the system, and this could've been expected.

[QUOTE="KingBowser91"]

I agree with everything you said. Wii owners should get an PS3 or 360 if they havent already;).

garrett_duffman

The only reason why (i think) people buy the Wii is because of the motion controls andnothing else.

blangenakker

I would love to see some of the games that other consoles get built for the Wii. But I'm not interested in a crappy port, and I doubt that anyone else is either. I want a RE5 that's built for Wii's controls and graphics, or a Street Fighter that's built for the Wii, not just an afterthought Wii port. I realize the extra cost of parallel development makes that unlikely in most cases, which is why I don't run around the forums requesting these games. But that doesn't mean a guy can't dream, does it? ;)

I cannot express the love which I am feeling right now

If I was walking by I would give you all of the change in my pocket and then tell others to do the same.

Though I know that some people beg for a port because they just don't have the money, Its real obvious that the Ps3 and 360 are very much a like and that the Wii is different so they can't be stupid and expect a decent port.

This is pretty much what I've been saying all along, so thank you for putting it so well. I will never, ever understand why people seem to want all three consoles to be basically identical.

This is pretty much what I've been saying all along, so thank you for putting it so well. I will never, ever understand why people seem to want all three consoles to be basically identical.

GabuEx

Over the past few months I've seen things like "Street Fighter IV for Wii?" "Resident Evil 5 for Wii?" "Dead Space for Wii?" (Before Extraction was announced), "Assassin's Creed for Wii?"

I've heard it all -- and really, I question why? Why do people want these "Me Too" versions of games? The reason I call them "Me Too" is because that is exactly what they will be -- ports that don't work well, that do not take advantage of the consoles hardware assets and games that, when compared to the consoles they were intended for, look laughable.

A game like Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles is much more welcomed for me than a port of Resident Evil 5. Why? Simple. It will take what the Wii is good at and expanding on it, without losing anything in translation -- Wii has already proved to be the platform for rail shooters. It has also proved to be a platform where recgonized band names (like the Resident Evil name) will sell well.

Haziqonfire

On-rails shooter can go to****!

Resident Evil 5 Wii Edition all the way!

Bioshock Wii all the way as well!

Well I can assure you one look at my sig would indicate that my argument is no cover story. I have RE5, I have Assassins Creed, I have Dead Space, I have Gears of War 2 and MGS4. So no I do not need to see those games again on the Wii, would I like to see Dead Space on the Wii? Yes. Would I like to pay 50 bucks for something I paid 60 bucks for a couple months ago? No. I would love to see the franchise brought over using the elements that made the game great but a new game, and I said when Dead Space came out, that I would love to play a prequel on the colony. But not as a quick dirty on rails shooter that is simply suppose to capitalize on the IP name. If there was no Dead Space last year there would be no EA made on rails shooter coming out this year. Yeah I know there are some people who do just want ports of these games, but I think there are many like me who wants a quality stealth genre built on the Wii or strong fighters and adventure titles that dont have Nintendo on the box. Alot of us want good games not just good games that are on other consoles.Sepewrath

Haz, it has begun

Have fun nao!

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

Over the past few months I've seen things like "Street Fighter IV for Wii?" "Resident Evil 5 for Wii?" "Dead Space for Wii?" (Before Extraction was announced), "Assassin's Creed for Wii?"

I've heard it all -- and really, I question why? Why do people want these "Me Too" versions of games? The reason I call them "Me Too" is because that is exactly what they will be -- ports that don't work well, that do not take advantage of the consoles hardware assets and games that, when compared to the consoles they were intended for, look laughable.

A game like Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles is much more welcomed for me than a port of Resident Evil 5. Why? Simple. It will take what the Wii is good at and expanding on it, without losing anything in translation -- Wii has already proved to be the platform for rail shooters. It has also proved to be a platform where recgonized band names (like the Resident Evil name) will sell well.

JimmyJames210

On-rails shooter can go to****!

Resident Evil 5 Wii Edition all the way!

Bioshock Wii all the way as well!

Haz, it has begun

Have fun nao!

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="JimmyJames210"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

Over the past few months I've seen things like "Street Fighter IV for Wii?" "Resident Evil 5 for Wii?" "Dead Space for Wii?" (Before Extraction was announced), "Assassin's Creed for Wii?"

I've heard it all -- and really, I question why? Why do people want these "Me Too" versions of games? The reason I call them "Me Too" is because that is exactly what they will be -- ports that don't work well, that do not take advantage of the consoles hardware assets and games that, when compared to the consoles they were intended for, look laughable.

A game like Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles is much more welcomed for me than a port of Resident Evil 5. Why? Simple. It will take what the Wii is good at and expanding on it, without losing anything in translation -- Wii has already proved to be the platform for rail shooters. It has also proved to be a platform where recgonized band names (like the Resident Evil name) will sell well.

Lord_Omikron666

On-rails shooter can go to****!

Resident Evil 5 Wii Edition all the way!

Bioshock Wii all the way as well!

Then those developers will be missing out on some big time cash. There are almost 50 million Wiis across the globe.

They don't need to make it the same, just don't make them rail shooters, because they ****.

I don't want ports, I want exclusives. But when they are making these exclusives, I would like them to be from the same genre as the others in their series.Head_of_games

I don't want ports, I want exclusives. But when they are making these exclusives, I would like them to be from the same genre as the others in their series.Head_of_games

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]I don't want ports, I want exclusives. But when they are making these exclusives, I would like them to be from the same genre as the others in their series.Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"]I don't want ports, I want exclusives. But when they are making these exclusives, I would like them to be from the same genre as the others in their series.Head_of_games

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"] like I said, you bought the wrong console. The console is built around the basis of doing something new, taking risks, etc. If you want those type of games, you buy the platform they are intended for. As Nintendo have said, the Wii is not in direct competition -- this was expected.Haziqonfire

the problem is is that people are more worried about releasing different kinds of games (which ironically, is getting repetitive), than they are worried about making GOOD games...

I think Haziqonfire is a pretty cool guy.

I've said it numerous times, but I completely agree, if I wanted those exact games, I'd get them for the system they were made for. On the topid of Dead Space, while I would have loved a brand new over the shoulder game built for the ground up on the Wii, I'm perfectly happy with a Rail Shooter that embodies the nature of the game, but still allows for a new story and new weapons.

What people don't seem to realize is that doing a whole new game from the ground up and doing it WELL is a much more difficult task than derezzing textures and cramming poorly mapped controls onto a system a game is not meant for.

Why don't people understand that porting IS the easy way out?

Good topic! i can't agree more

i think you've got it exactly right haziqon. buying watered down ports just tells developers that we'll buy a game with poor quality, just to get a lesser experience than the game delivers on the system it was designed for. we need more creative ideas, games that were designed to fit on the wii. that's were we've gotten all the top notch games that are out right now for the wii. MP3, MKWii, Brawl, you name em, its tough to find one of those watered down ports that are on the "must own" list. the only one i can think of might be CoD5, and im sure that will be replaced soon with the conduit, simply because the developers spent so much time developing the game to fit perfectly with the wii

Win thread contains win.

I couldn't agree more Haziqonfire, well said

I mostly agree with you, however just for the hell of it I'll put up an argument.

Counter-argument case study: Resident Evil 4.

Resident Evil 4 is thetype ofcore game that many of the people who complain about this kind of stuff want. It's a traditional game that sticks to its genre (well, some RE fans might say otherwise but you know what I mean), and being on Wii makes the experience better. Playing Resident Evil 5 for the first time led to dissapointment as I really missed the Wii control set-up. I'm not saying that I want a port of Resident Evil 5, that is better off on PS3 and Xbox 360 as you argue. But I would still love games similar to the critically and commercially succesfull Resident Evil 4, so it's understandable why I'd be dissapointed with Resident Evil Darkside Chronicles. Resident Evil 4 is proof that you can make a traditional game on Wii, better than you could on Xbox 360/PS3 and not have to completly reinvent the game or switch genres.

The best games on Wii are not games that completely rely on Wii's unique abilities. Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, No More Heroes, Resident Evil 4, etc. are all very traditional games, built upon the foundations of older tech. Wii hardware adds an extra edge to these designs that make them great Wii exclusives, so the same can be applied to third party traditional games that people ask for. A Deadspace given the Resident Evil 4 treatment could be very good.

If you port Mario Galaxy over to the Xbox 360, it probably won't be as a good because there's a lot of gameplay geared towards Wii-specific hardware. Same can be said for the opposite with Dead Rising over to the Wii. But that doesn't mean the core designs of each couldn't be developed on each platform independently from the ground up in order to create a different, but still similar product. So yes, I don't want ports of Xbox 360 and PS3 games. But I still wouldn't mind similar games developed with the Wii's strengths and weaknesses in mind.

Just for the record I'm pretty excited for Deadspace Extraction.

I cant believe all these people are agreeing, all that was said is let the devs get away with half assing it and you all proclaim it the word of the God. Are you serious? Well given that you are all so happy that devs just step over the Wii to get to the PS3 and 360 for real effort and occasionally toss a port or a game riding a name down to you, I hope not to see anymore "But where is teh hardcore!?" because you all basically told the devs what they are doing is right. And what is unique and different and risky about a rail shooter with Resident Evil or Dead Space on the box? Well good luck to you all who are following this nonsense but I'm certainly not on board.Sepewrath

I mostly agree with you, however just for the hell of it I'll put up an argument.

Counter-argument case study: Resident Evil 4.

Resident Evil 4 is thetype ofcore game that many of the people who complain about this kind of stuff want. It's a traditional game that sticks to its genre (well, some RE fans might say otherwise but you know what I mean), and being on Wii makes the experience better. Playing Resident Evil 5 for the first time led to dissapointment as I really missed the Wii control set-up. I'm not saying that I want a port of Resident Evil 5, that is better off on PS3 and Xbox 360 as you argue. But I would still love games similar to the critically and commercially succesfull Resident Evil 4, so it's understandable why I'd be dissapointed with Resident Evil Darkside Chronicles. Resident Evil 4 is proof that you can make a traditional game on Wii, better than you could on Xbox 360/PS3 and not have to completly reinvent the game or switch genres.

The best games on Wii are not games that completely rely on Wii's unique abilities. Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, No More Heroes, Resident Evil 4, etc. are all very traditional games, built upon the foundations of older tech. Wii hardware adds an extra edge to these designs that make them great Wii exclusives, so the same can be applied to third party traditional games that people ask for. A Deadspace given the Resident Evil 4 treatment could be very good.

If you port Mario Galaxy over to the Xbox 360, it probably won't be as a good because there's a lot of gameplay geared towards Wii-specific hardware. Same can be said for the opposite with Dead Rising over to the Wii. But that doesn't mean the core designs of each couldn't be developed on each platform independently from the ground up in order to create a different, but still similar product. So yes, I don't want ports of Xbox 360 and PS3 games. But I still wouldn't mind similar games developed with the Wii's strengths and weaknesses in mind.

Just for the record I'm pretty excited for Deadspace Extraction.

_BlueDuck_

i have to agree with this also, especially the example. i had rather hoped for RE5 to be exclusive on the wii, considering the success of it predecessor on the wii. it could have been upgraded from the GC,in nearlyevery way, and only enhanced with the controls. i had a really tough time going from wii controls back to classic shooter controls on the 360.

i definetely agree that i wantinnovative and creative titles on the wii, and i think this system is definetely best suited for stretching creative boundaries. but i alsoagree that theres nothing wrong with expanding on previous series. MP3 did a fantastic job, as im sure you can agree haziqon, your avatar shows that youseem to be a metroid fan. it would be great if developers could at least follow that example, if they dont feel daring enough totake any risks.

on a slightly reated note, i want creativity from a wii game. strapping on motion controls doesnt count as creativity, and in most cases, it unfortunately dampers theoverall experience.

Wow. Just wow. I JUST was talking to a friend of mine about this sort of thing. He basically wanted his favorite games, released in HD, with all of the gfx, etc.. of the other two, but on the Wii. I said to him," Keep wishing. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy what Wii has to offer, and take the games as they are, while you whine about what you think they should be."

We cannot expect the Wii to emulate the other systems. If you do, you deserve to be disappointed. Miyamoto once said about the development of Wii :

"The consensus was that power isn't everything for a console. Too many powerful consoles can't coexist. It's like having only ferocious dinosaurs. They might fight and hasten their own extinction. Many of our employees initially wanted high-definition graphics. But they agreed with us that graphics wouldn't matter if the games weren't fun to play." Link

Great post, Haz, and I think more Wii owners should just grow up and realize that Nintendo just completely changed how to approach development in the industry. It is no longer about the best hardware, but fun. Word of mouth is the new advertising, and interactivity is being pushed by the motion controls. Games are about being fun. Always have, always will.

A common theme I've been seeing here on the Wii boards has been bothing me for a while now and I haven't had time to address it until now. Its the fact that many Wii owners want 'Me Too' version's of software that is available on other platforms. Honestly, I'm really sick of people complaining about not getting these 'big named' titles on the Wii and I've decided to make this thread.

Over the past few months I've seen things like "Street Fighter IV for Wii?" "Resident Evil 5 for Wii?" "Dead Space for Wii?" (Before Extraction was announced), "Assassin's Creed for Wii?"

I've heard it all -- and really, I question why? Why do people want these "Me Too" versions of games? The reason I call them "Me Too" is because that is exactly what they will be -- ports that don't work well, that do not take advantage of the consoles hardware assets and games that, when compared to the consoles they were intended for, look laughable.

A game like Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles is much more welcomed for me than a port of Resident Evil 5. Why? Simple. It will take what the Wii is good at and expanding on it, without losing anything in translation -- Wii has already proved to be the platform for rail shooters. It has also proved to be a platform where recgonized band names (like the Resident Evil name) will sell well.

So I question why many of you complain that the Wii is not getting these games. You honestly want inferior ports? You want games that do not fully take advantage of the Wii's unique capabilities?

Basically, this is what I get out of it.

People want so desperately the Wii to be a clone of the other platforms.

The Wii is a console based off of the idea to be unique, to take risks, to get indie developers to make new, unique IPs or take established IPs and re-invent/mix up the formula. It is a console that can give you access to doing all these, without suffering a loss, due to its relatively cheaper development costs.

So I ask you -- Why did you buy the Wii? I honestly think many of you bought it for the wrong reasons. It's not a clone of the other two consoles.

Its a console that encourages creativity, uniqueness and risk taking -- it is not an 'upgrade' of the previous generation.

Haziqonfire

I cant believe all these people are agreeing, all that was said is let the devs get away with half assing it and you all proclaim it the word of the God. Are you serious? Well given that you are all so happy that devs just step over the Wii to get to the PS3 and 360 for real effort and occasionally toss a port or a game riding a name down to you, I hope not to see anymore "But where is teh hardcore!?" because you all basically told the devs what they are doing is right. And what is unique and different and risky about a rail shooter with Resident Evil or Dead Space on the box? Well good luck to you all who are following this nonsense but I'm certainly not on board.Sepewrath

If you want the games that are appearing on the other consoles, why do you own a Wii? This is pretty much exactly what Haziq is talking about: people buy a Wii,but then they want it to be just like the other consoles instead of taking itfor what it is and taking its library for what it is.

You would likely never have seen games like Boom Blox, de Blob, Zack & Wiki on other consoles. That's why I bought a Wii.

Similarly, any incarnations of games for the other consoles would likely suck if they just tried to port them over to the Wii due to its lower hardware specs. That's why I bought a 360.

Games that work on one console don't work on other consoles. That's why we have three consoles instead of one. You're basically wanting the games on the Wii to be the exact same as the games on the other consoles, which just makes no sense at all. Giving the Wii nothing but dumbed down portsof RE5, CoD4, and so on (andthey absolutely would be dumbed down ports - they're not going to make the entire game all over again) would be the real "step[ping] over the Wii to get to the PS3 and 360 for real effort".