How has pokemon changed since Gold/Silver?

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#1 Posted by NaveedLife (17179 posts) -

I have not played a pokemon game since Gold/Silver (owned Blue, Gold, and Silver) and am very interested in getting back into the series with X/Y. My question is, what has changed? What has been added and taken away?

Thanks for the answers! :)

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#2 Posted by darkspineslayer (22389 posts) -
Depends on the game which concepts they've kept. I'll compared to B2/W2, since we know so little about X/Y. -Around 400+ more Pokemon -Running shoes for faster movement -Natures for Pokemon that effect how their stats grow -abilities for Pokemon, sort of standing effects they have in battle. For example, a Pokemon with 'Intimidate' will lower the opponents attack on entry to the battle, and a Pokemon with 'Levitate' will be immune to ground type moves, regardless of type. -Double, Triple and Rotation battles, all with their own rule set. Not drastically different from normal battles, but can be fun. -Moves are now classified as Physical and Special (or effect), instead of being dependant on types. -The berry system has been refined greatly over the years. -The whole day/night system has been a little odd. It was absent in Gen 3, back in gen 4 and added seasons in Gen 5. -Pokemon now animate (a little) while in battle. -TMs have infinite usage as of gen 5. -online trading and battling is now a thing. --------------- That should cover a lot of it...in the meantime, you may decide to pick up Heartgold or Soulsilver. Would be a great way to jump back in for you while you wait for X/Y.
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#3 Posted by metroidfood (11175 posts) -

I think Darkspineslayer hit most of them, but to expand:

Natures will increase one stat by 10% and reduce another stat by 10% (excluding HP). There are 5 natures that have no effect on stats. Generally you don't have to worry about this unless you're doing competitive battling (online, Battle Frontier/Subway, PWT, etc...).

Physical and Special moves depend on your Attack/Defense and Sp Attack/Sp Defense respectively. It generally works fairly logically (E.g., Hyper Beam is a special move and Fire Punch is a physical move).

There is also EVs/IVs, which you shouldn't bother with unless you're doing competitive. Even then, I still wouldn't bother with IVs because they're a clusterfvck, but it means you'll end up at a slight disadvantage. There are some good EV training guides online if you want to play competitive, and they're pretty much required to do well. They're not that hard once you get the hang of them though.

Also with Gen V, there are hidden abilities which are special abilities Pokemon won't normally have in the wild. You can get these Pokemon through events, certain in-game areas, or good ol' trading. Only females can pass on their ability through breeding, and not when paired with a Ditto.

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#4 Posted by NaveedLife (17179 posts) -

Depends on the game which concepts they've kept. I'll compared to B2/W2, since we know so little about X/Y. -Around 400+ more Pokemon -Running shoes for faster movement -Natures for Pokemon that effect how their stats grow -abilities for Pokemon, sort of standing effects they have in battle. For example, a Pokemon with 'Intimidate' will lower the opponents attack on entry to the battle, and a Pokemon with 'Levitate' will be immune to ground type moves, regardless of type. -Double, Triple and Rotation battles, all with their own rule set. Not drastically different from normal battles, but can be fun. -Moves are now classified as Physical and Special (or effect), instead of being dependant on types. -The berry system has been refined greatly over the years. -The whole day/night system has been a little odd. It was absent in Gen 3, back in gen 4 and added seasons in Gen 5. -Pokemon now animate (a little) while in battle. -TMs have infinite usage as of gen 5. -online trading and battling is now a thing. --------------- That should cover a lot of it...in the meantime, you may decide to pick up Heartgold or Soulsilver. Would be a great way to jump back in for you while you wait for X/Y.darkspineslayer

It all sounds great! :)

So there are seasons in gen 5? Do they change over time (if so how much time is a season) or is it just changed depending where you are in the story?

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#5 Posted by NaveedLife (17179 posts) -

I think Darkspineslayer hit most of them, but to expand:

Natures will increase one stat by 10% and reduce another stat by 10% (excluding HP). There are 5 natures that have no effect on stats. Generally you don't have to worry about this unless you're doing competitive battling (online, Battle Frontier/Subway, PWT, etc...).

Physical and Special moves depend on your Attack/Defense and Sp Attack/Sp Defense respectively. It generally works fairly logically (E.g., Hyper Beam is a special move and Fire Punch is a physical move).

There is also EVs/IVs, which you shouldn't bother with unless you're doing competitive. Even then, I still wouldn't bother with IVs because they're a clusterfvck, but it means you'll end up at a slight disadvantage. There are some good EV training guides online if you want to play competitive, and they're pretty much required to do well. They're not that hard once you get the hang of them though.

Also with Gen V, there are hidden abilities which are special abilities Pokemon won't normally have in the wild. You can get these Pokemon through events, certain in-game areas, or good ol' trading. Only females can pass on their ability through breeding, and not when paired with a Ditto.

metroidfood

The whole IV/EV thing confuses me (only read people talking about it on here) and concerns me :P.

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#6 Posted by metroidfood (11175 posts) -

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]Depends on the game which concepts they've kept. I'll compared to B2/W2, since we know so little about X/Y. -Around 400+ more Pokemon -Running shoes for faster movement -Natures for Pokemon that effect how their stats grow -abilities for Pokemon, sort of standing effects they have in battle. For example, a Pokemon with 'Intimidate' will lower the opponents attack on entry to the battle, and a Pokemon with 'Levitate' will be immune to ground type moves, regardless of type. -Double, Triple and Rotation battles, all with their own rule set. Not drastically different from normal battles, but can be fun. -Moves are now classified as Physical and Special (or effect), instead of being dependant on types. -The berry system has been refined greatly over the years. -The whole day/night system has been a little odd. It was absent in Gen 3, back in gen 4 and added seasons in Gen 5. -Pokemon now animate (a little) while in battle. -TMs have infinite usage as of gen 5. -online trading and battling is now a thing. --------------- That should cover a lot of it...in the meantime, you may decide to pick up Heartgold or Soulsilver. Would be a great way to jump back in for you while you wait for X/Y.NaveedLife

It all sounds great! :)

So there are seasons in gen 5? Do they change over time (if so how much time is a season) or is it just changed depending where you are in the story?

Change monthly. They don't really do much except for a few in-game areas that are only accessible during certain seasons (Twist Mountain being the most notable), and a few trainers that switch places/teams (Ferris Wheel).

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#7 Posted by darkspineslayer (22389 posts) -

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]Depends on the game which concepts they've kept. I'll compared to B2/W2, since we know so little about X/Y. -Around 400+ more Pokemon -Running shoes for faster movement -Natures for Pokemon that effect how their stats grow -abilities for Pokemon, sort of standing effects they have in battle. For example, a Pokemon with 'Intimidate' will lower the opponents attack on entry to the battle, and a Pokemon with 'Levitate' will be immune to ground type moves, regardless of type. -Double, Triple and Rotation battles, all with their own rule set. Not drastically different from normal battles, but can be fun. -Moves are now classified as Physical and Special (or effect), instead of being dependant on types. -The berry system has been refined greatly over the years. -The whole day/night system has been a little odd. It was absent in Gen 3, back in gen 4 and added seasons in Gen 5. -Pokemon now animate (a little) while in battle. -TMs have infinite usage as of gen 5. -online trading and battling is now a thing. --------------- That should cover a lot of it...in the meantime, you may decide to pick up Heartgold or Soulsilver. Would be a great way to jump back in for you while you wait for X/Y.NaveedLife

It all sounds great! :)

So there are seasons in gen 5? Do they change over time (if so how much time is a season) or is it just changed depending where you are in the story?

IIRC, they cycle once a month, January is winter, Febuary is spring, March is summer, ect. That was an example, since I don't know what months are what season off the top of my head.
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#8 Posted by metroidfood (11175 posts) -

The whole IV/EV thing confuses me (only read people talking about it on here) and concerns me :P.

NaveedLife

Just ignore IVs/EVs/Natures until after you beat the game. Then if you decide you want to do the Battle Frontier/Battle Subway/PWT or online play it's easier to breed a team of Pokemon then and mess around with that stuff. You can also skip the hassle and just play a simulator like Pokemon Showdown.

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#9 Posted by NaveedLife (17179 posts) -

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

The whole IV/EV thing confuses me (only read people talking about it on here) and concerns me :P.

metroidfood

Just ignore IVs/EVs/Natures until after you beat the game. Then if you decide you want to do the Battle Frontier/Battle Subway/PWT or online play it's easier to breed a team of Pokemon then and mess around with that stuff. You can also skip the hassle and just play a simulator like Pokemon Showdown.

I am a completionist and perfectionist in games like this, that is all :P.

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#10 Posted by Moloch121 (677 posts) -
So how about some noob tips for IV/EV training?
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#11 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

It hasn't.

Lol.

The core philosophy and game structure are there.

Get 8 badges,defeat Elite 4.

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#12 Posted by ANIMEguy10034 (4954 posts) -

It hasn't.

Lol.

The core philosophy and game structure are there.

Get 8 badges,defeat Elite 4.

GreekGameManiac
The structure/format the games have not changed, but everything else has.
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#13 Posted by darkspineslayer (22389 posts) -
[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

It hasn't.

Lol.

The core philosophy and game structure are there.

Get 8 badges,defeat Elite 4.

ANIMEguy10034
The structure/format the games have not changed, but everything else has.

Don't bother with him. He thinks Pokemon shouldn't be Pokemon anymore, and your dumb if you think he's wrong.
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#14 Posted by darkspineslayer (22389 posts) -
So how about some noob tips for IV/EV training?Moloch121
Get the power items ASAP and look for a decent guide on Gamefaqs or Seribii. The quick and dirty explanation wouldn't do any good.
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#15 Posted by turtlethetaffer (18546 posts) -

Um... The biggest thing is that, if you're serious about being competitive, EV's and IV's are a must and the game has become uber grindy. (Again, only if you want to seriously compete.) Other than that, nothing too much worth noting. Obviously each gen has new features and whatnot, but there's nothing too game changing aside from EV's and IV's.

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#16 Posted by metroidfood (11175 posts) -

So how about some noob tips for IV/EV training?Moloch121

1. Get Pokerus

2. Get the Power items

There are plenty of good guides on actual EV training that can explain it better than anyone here, just make sure to have those two things and it'll make EV training a breeze.

You can't train IV's, if you don't want to spend soul-sucking hours trying to get the perfect Pokemon I recommend just hatching several Pokemon with the nature you want and taking them to guy in the Battle Subway then picking the one he says has the best stats.

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#17 Posted by NaveedLife (17179 posts) -

[QUOTE="Moloch121"]So how about some noob tips for IV/EV training?metroidfood

1. Get Pokerus

2. Get the Power items

There are plenty of good guides on actual EV training that can explain it better than anyone here, just make sure to have those two things and it'll make EV training a breeze.

You can't train IV's, if you don't want to spend soul-sucking hours trying to get the perfect Pokemon I recommend just hatching several Pokemon with the nature you want and taking them to guy in the Battle Subway then picking the one he says has the best stats.

from what you guys are saying, I cannot tell if these are awesome or terrible :P. I just want to be able to play online and be good. Why would I want to have lesser pokemon? lol I want to own! ;)

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#18 Posted by metroidfood (11175 posts) -

from what you guys are saying, I cannot tell if these are awesome or terrible :P. I just want to be able to play online and be good. Why would I want to have lesser pokemon? lol I want to own! ;)

NaveedLife

I am of the opinion that IVs are a waste of time and space, and the game would be better off without them. But if you absolutely want to have good IVs then look up an IV breeding guide. Generally you really only need perfect 31s in your main attacking stat and speed, but even then it's going to take a long time to find the right Pokemon to breed, especially if you need a specific nature/egg move.

There's also no way to get perfect IV legendaries unless you learn how to RNG.

But like I said, IVs are more of a pain than they're worth. With the exception of speed ties they probably won't matter much in game and a good team/strategy is far more important in the long run. Just breeding a couple and using the best out of the bunch will save you from doing a lot of tedious grinding.

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#19 Posted by Will47 (6824 posts) -
In all seriousness forget about EV training. I do it simply because after I had done everything else I wanted something to waste time on. The average player that you might bump into isn't likely to have EV trained Pokemon. I used to have a couple guys on campus that played Pokemon, I was the only one with EV trained Pokemon, but I never felt like I had a big advantage. Mostly just knowing how to play will do it for you, the strategy is the most important part.
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#20 Posted by NaveedLife (17179 posts) -

huh. well ok. I dont understand it at all, so I will research it sometime. I think of it as how I was in Diablo II, getting my Etheral Vortex Exile (high end, etheral, runeworded shield) and how stats differ from shield to shield and runeword to runeword, so rolling a perfect one is crazy hard, but I pretty much got one (trading), though it was missing a defense point or two :P.

Anyway, what is up with the shiny pokemon? I remember seeing a couple years ago when I played G/S. Are they still in the games? How rare are they? Are they different from normal versions?

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#21 Posted by darkspineslayer (22389 posts) -

huh. well ok. I dont understand it at all, so I will research it sometime. I think of it as how I was in Diablo II, getting my Etheral Vortex Exile (high end, etheral, runeworded shield) and how stats differ from shield to shield and runeword to runeword, so rolling a perfect one is crazy hard, but I pretty much got one (trading), though it was missing a defense point or two :P.

Anyway, what is up with the shiny pokemon? I remember seeing a couple years ago when I played G/S. Are they still in the games? How rare are they? Are they different from normal versions?

NaveedLife

They do still appear, but with something like a 1/8128 chance of seeing one in every encounter. They don't necessarily have anything over regular Pokemon besides trade value. B/W2 introduced a few methods of evening the odds, but still really not worth hunting for.

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#22 Posted by NaveedLife (17179 posts) -

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

huh. well ok. I dont understand it at all, so I will research it sometime. I think of it as how I was in Diablo II, getting my Etheral Vortex Exile (high end, etheral, runeworded shield) and how stats differ from shield to shield and runeword to runeword, so rolling a perfect one is crazy hard, but I pretty much got one (trading), though it was missing a defense point or two :P.

Anyway, what is up with the shiny pokemon? I remember seeing a couple years ago when I played G/S. Are they still in the games? How rare are they? Are they different from normal versions?

darkspineslayer

They do still appear, but with something like a 1/8128 chance of seeing one in every encounter. They don't necessarily have anything over regular Pokemon besides trade value. B/W2 introduced a few methods of evening the odds, but still really not worth hunting for.

Cool, I like that. It is just cool to have them.

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#23 Posted by TheShadowLord07 (22873 posts) -

black and white added in difficulty modes which you can unlock after you beat the game

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#24 Posted by V3rciS (2236 posts) -

Damn this thread... I've also have to play Pokemon since Silver/Gold. Now I'm all hyped once again... might get a 3DS sooner than expected...

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#25 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

Yeah darkspineslayer,because your opinion is like the ooonly one that counts.

:roll:

It's changed alright,just not as much as it should,or the WAYS it should.

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#26 Posted by metroidfood (11175 posts) -

Yeah darkspineslayer,because your opinion is like the ooonly one that counts.

:roll:

It's changed alright,just not as much as it should,or the WAYS it should.

GreekGameManiac

gaemfreek pls makk thre-d pokman mmo liek skyrem wit all da rigions nd da pokemans run arund n stuf

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#27 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

gaemfreek pls makk thre-d pokman mmo liek skyrem wit all da rigions nd da pokemans run arund n stuf

metroidfood

Hahahahaha.

Yeah,that'd be nice actually.

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#28 Posted by darkspineslayer (22389 posts) -

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

gaemfreek pls makk thre-d pokman mmo liek skyrem wit all da rigions nd da pokemans run arund n stuf

GreekGameManiac

Hahahahaha.

Yeah,that'd be nice actually.

He was clearly mocking you.
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#29 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

That's funny,cause WE are the ones that should do the mocking.

"oh,lewk at mi i iz branwshed by Nintendoh,and haz to buy Pokeman gaimz evry taim cuz tey ar teh stuffz"

>_>

EV training is super tedious.

And from what i get,one of the main reasons you like it is cause you can battle with other ppl using your favourite Pokemon.

But most of it is boring.

Laughable story.

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#30 Posted by darkspineslayer (22389 posts) -

That's funny,cause WE are the ones that should do the mocking.

"oh,lewk at mi i iz branwshed by Nintendoh,and haz to buy Pokeman gaimz evry taim cuz tey ar teh stuffz"

>_>

EV training is super tedious.

And from what i get,one of the main reasons you like it is cause you can battle with other ppl using your favourite Pokemon.

But most of it is boring.

Laughable story.

GreekGameManiac
Who are you to call others brainwashed for liking a certain series? People who enjoy the games shouldn't play them because you think the series should go in a different direction? God help all the Call of Duty players then. A single Pokemon generation usualy brings more innovation that the entire CoD series post Modern Warfare. EV training can be very tedious, yet it isn't something a typical player will ever really need to worry about. It's there for that added depth that Pokemon Is all to often accused of lacking. The story is clearly not to be taken super seriously. Many other RPGs fill that niche. And boring is a mater of perspective. I consider most FPS titles to be very boring, and accept I'm in the minority there.
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#31 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

Who are you to call others brainwashed for liking a certain series? People who enjoy the games shouldn't play them because you think the series should go in a different direction? God help all the Call of Duty players then. A single Pokemon generation usualy brings more innovation that the entire CoD series post Modern Warfare. EV training can be very tedious, yet it isn't something a typical player will ever really need to worry about. It's there for that added depth that Pokemon Is all to often accused of lacking. The story is clearly not to be taken super seriously. Many other RPGs fill that niche. And boring is a mater of perspective. I consider most FPS titles to be very boring, and accept I'm in the minority there.darkspineslayer

You're right on that,you either like or don't like Pokemon.

But my point is there are RPGs that are much better,esp. on the story dep.

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#32 Posted by metroidfood (11175 posts) -

You're right on that,you either like or don't like Pokemon.

But my point is there are RPGs that are much better,esp. on the story dep.

GreekGameManiac

If you're playing Pokemon for the story I feel sorry for you son, I got 99 problems but a plot ain't one.

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#33 Posted by Hakumen21 (359 posts) -

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

The whole IV/EV thing confuses me (only read people talking about it on here) and concerns me :P.

NaveedLife

Don't worry about EV and IV's unless you're going for competetive battling. I prefer the solo-story myself. also, if you happen to miss Gold/Silver, they have remakes called Heart Gold and Soul Silver. easily the best in the series in my opinion.

[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

You're right on that,you either like or don't like Pokemon.

But my point is there are RPGs that are much better,esp. on the story dep.

metroidfood

If you're playing Pokemon for the story I feel sorry for you son, I got 99 problems but a plot ain't one.



Kanto and Johto's stories actually sucked me in. both stories were very engaging to me at the time.

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#34 Posted by KnightSkull (1481 posts) -

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

[QUOTE="Moloch121"]So how about some noob tips for IV/EV training?NaveedLife

1. Get Pokerus

2. Get the Power items

There are plenty of good guides on actual EV training that can explain it better than anyone here, just make sure to have those two things and it'll make EV training a breeze.

You can't train IV's, if you don't want to spend soul-sucking hours trying to get the perfect Pokemon I recommend just hatching several Pokemon with the nature you want and taking them to guy in the Battle Subway then picking the one he says has the best stats.

from what you guys are saying, I cannot tell if these are awesome or terrible :P. I just want to be able to play online and be good. Why would I want to have lesser pokemon? lol I want to own! ;)

Here's a quick run down for you:

Each Pokemon has an IV (Individual Value) for each stat, ranging between 0-31, which cannot be changed from when you first encounter the Pokemon or get an egg. IVs determine how good, or bad, each stat is.

The best way to find out your Pokemons IVs is to search for an IV calculator online.

It's not impossible to get a "perfect" Pokemon through breading, just very close to impossible. So it's best to just try to get the best in 1 or 2 stats if you want to go down that road.

Now EVs (Effort Value) are where things get a little more confusing and EV training can take a LOT of time.

Each Pokemon can get a total of 510 EVs and a max of 255 EVs for any one stat. You get a +1 stat point for every 4 EVs trained in that stat (4 Attack EVs = +1 Attack). The most EVs you want to train in any stat is 252 for a total of +63 points in that stat, if you train the other 3 EVs they will just go to waste as 3 EVs will get you nothing.

You get EVs by beating Pokemon in the wild or from trainer battles (if you get XP from a fight you will also get EVs). The EVs you get depend on what Pokemon you fight, e.g. Audino gives 2 EVs for HP and Patrat gives 1 EV for Attack.

There are items that can help you EV train faster like the Power items and there's also PokeRUS which doubles the EVs you get from battles. There are also ways to reset a Pokemons EVs in B/W and B2/W2.

That's a quick guide, if you want to find out more it'll be best to seach for a more in-depth guide.

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#35 Posted by V3rciS (2236 posts) -

Btw I wanted to ask...

So I just got a 3ds XL... am thinking of buying pokemon black 2. The thing is that someone suggested that I should play first the original Black version and only after jump on Black 2. What do you think? Is it worth... what's the difference between black and black 2?

Please note that the last Pokemon game I played was Silver.

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#36 Posted by darkspineslayer (22389 posts) -

Btw I wanted to ask...

So I just got a 3ds XL... am thinking of buying pokemon black 2. The thing is that someone suggested that I should play first the original Black version and only after jump on Black 2. What do you think? Is it worth... what's the difference between black and black 2?

Please note that the last Pokemon game I played was Silver.

V3rciS
Go ahead and play Black 2. Whoever told you to play Black first probably thought the story in Black was worth a damn. It's still Pokemon, you won't miss anything.
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#37 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

Go ahead and play Black 2. Whoever told you to play Black first probably thought the story in Black was worth a damn. It's still Pokemon, you won't miss anything.darkspineslayer

Most honest,non-fanboyish thing you've said in a long time.

You sure you feeling ok?

:P

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#38 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -
Pokemon. -release Pokemon -wait to sell 6 billion copies -click Pokemon name generator -repeat
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#39 Posted by voljin1987 (988 posts) -
last game i played was pokemon ruby.. picked mudkip and powered my way through with just him.. by the time i reached the elite 4, i had a lvl 87 swampert, a lvl 45 shiftry, a lvl 23 tropius (needed fly) and lvl 4 zigzagoon (HM cut very useful on him) and yeah had that legendary lava dude.. groudon i think arnd 50. got my ass handed in the second rnd of elite 4 (think it was pheobe) didnt bother with contest, candy creations, safari and blah blah.. so yeah if u play like me,, all the pokemon games would be exactly the same as gold/silver :P