FINALLY, Nintendo does something smart...

...at least in relation to the decisions the company has been making for years now. And no, I'm not referring to the Deluxe price drop. At this point, such a move was merely common-sense, and even now, I doubt it's enough. But that's for later, I suppose. What I'm talking about is a more subtle change Nintendo has made in regards to its holiday release lineup. As opposed to originally having Donkey Kong Country: TF being released in November and Super Mario 3D World being released in December, Nintendo announced today that the two games will be releasing in the reverse order. And frankly, it was foolish to think that it should have been any other way to begin with.

With all due respect to Donkey Kong and its fans, the situation the Wii U faces as we speak is out of the franchise's league and ability to solve. There was absolutely no reason why Tropical Freeze should be the key game of Nintendo's holiday lineup as a November release, when the Wii U needs all the help it can get to move hardware. Regardless of what is said about Zelda, Metroid, and even Super Smash Bros., there are really only two brands that can consistently boost Nintendo's systems: Pokemon and Mario. And with 3D World also being a Q4 title, making it the pre-Black Friday release is easily one of the best things Nintendo has done for the Wii U since its conception.

That said, it still doesn't guarantee an easy going for Nintendo this holiday season. Even with the price drop and Mario being released in November, it doesn't change many of the problems that the system currently faces and will face in the coming months. The upcoming systems and strong lineup of games on other platfroms are obvious enough hurdles, but even as we speak, the system continues to struggle appealing to anyone. It's ironic that on the same day Nintendo has announced some upcoming changes for the Wii U, one of the system's biggest games to date, the Wonderful 101, has also been revealed to be a total disaster commercially in Japan. Things like this, along with the fact that 3D Mario titles typically aren't as impactful to the public as 2D Mario, still make me question just how well off the Wii U will be at the end of the year. Even so, I do believe for the first time since the system has lanuched that there is an ever-so-slight glimpse of hope.

Thoughts?

Do you have a link for this announcement? I agree that it is a good move. Works better for me too. Asd much as I am looking forward to Tropical Freeze I wand 3D World much more.

Regardless of what is said about Zelda, Metroid, and even Super Smash Bros., there are really only two brands that can consistently boost Nintendo's systems: Pokemon and Mario. 

Madmangamer364

And there you're just outright wrong. Metroid sure, but Zelda and Smash Bros have always consistently pushed system sales. 

obvious the move was made because both MS and sony will release in Nov. we needed Mario.

I still love Nintendo and their games, but I doubt I EVER buy a system from them at launch again. Either they drop the price within a year or come out with a better model. I really do like that Zelda bundle, but I already bought a launch console from them.

Anyway, glad to see DKCR at the 50 dollar price point.

With all due respect to Donkey Kong and its fans, the situation the Wii U faces as we speak is out of the franchise's league and ability to solve. There was absolutely no reason why Tropical Freeze should be the key game of Nintendo's holiday lineup as a November release

Madmangamer364

I beg to differ. Retro Studios has a stellar reputation and Returns sold over 6 million copies. It's hard to say that Tropical Freeze won't spark some light in these dark days.

So, Super Mario 3d World now releases November 22nd.

Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze releases December 6th.

They bump Mario for sooner and space Donkey Kong 2 weeks later all while still in progression with the holidays. A good move indeed.

Ill be buying Sonic Lost World and DK instead. Not interested at all in 3D World until I see something that actually makes it look original

Thanks for making this thread, I was sure Mario was supposed to come in December.  Now I know I'm not crazy.  Anyways this is smart, brand new Mario to go with a Wii U for Black Friday.  Maybe there will be some sort of bundle as well too.

Smart move for them, lame move for me, I have 0 interest in the new Mario game and I already have my DKCRTF preorder paid and was anxiously awaiting picking it up. Still, price cut is nice!TxTech1923

...at least in relation to the decisions the company has been making for years now. And no, I'm not referring to the Deluxe price drop. At this point, such a move was merely common-sense, and even now, I doubt it's enough. But that's for later, I suppose. What I'm talking about is a more subtle change Nintendo has made in regards to its holiday release lineup. As opposed to originally having Donkey Kong Country: TF being released in November and Super Mario 3D World being released in December, Nintendo announced today that the two games will be releasing in the reverse order. And frankly, it was foolish to think that it should have been any other way to begin with.

With all due respect to Donkey Kong and its fans, the situation the Wii U faces as we speak is out of the franchise's league and ability to solve. There was absolutely no reason why Tropical Freeze should be the key game of Nintendo's holiday lineup as a November release, when the Wii U needs all the help it can get to move hardware. Regardless of what is said about Zelda, Metroid, and even Super Smash Bros., there are really only two brands that can consistently boost Nintendo's systems: Pokemon and Mario. And with 3D World also being a Q4 title, making it the pre-Black Friday release is easily one of the best things Nintendo has done for the Wii U since its conception.

That said, it still doesn't guarantee an easy going for Nintendo this holiday season. Even with the price drop and Mario being released in November, it doesn't change many of the problems that the system currently faces and will face in the coming months. The upcoming systems and strong lineup of games on other platfroms are obvious enough hurdles, but even as we speak, the system continues to struggle appealing to anyone. It's ironic that on the same day Nintendo has announced some upcoming changes for the Wii U, one of the system's biggest games to date, the Wonderful 101, has also been revealed to be a total disaster commercially in Japan. Things like this, along with the fact that 3D Mario titles typically aren't as impactful to the public as 2D Mario, still make me question just how well off the Wii U will be at the end of the year. Even so, I do believe for the first time since the system has lanuched that there is an ever-so-slight glimpse of hope.

Thoughts?

Madmangamer364

You have been playing games for a long time, and you have played alot of games. Are you sure you are not just experiencing burn-out? That you think Nintendo has not been doing things right for several years is a surprising statement since you have a large library of Wii games in your collection, and a fairly large list of Wii games in your wish list. Nintendo has just recently sold 100 million Wiis total since its release. Several million people thought the Wii U was appealing enough to buy it early. Why are you unimpressed with the Wii U? Wonderful 101 looks like a good game, but what makes it one of the systems "biggest games"? Are not the Mario Galaxy Wii games 3D? Why are they considered to be not as "impactful" by you as the 2D Mario games?

Bob H

I still love Nintendo and their games, but I doubt I EVER buy a system from them at launch again. Either they drop the price within a year or come out with a better model. I really do like that Zelda bundle, but I already bought a launch console from them.

Anyway, glad to see DKCR at the 50 dollar price point.

yokofox33

Woo! I see this thread has sparked a few replies, so I'll get right to deeper discussion.

And there you're just outright wrong. Metroid sure, but Zelda and Smash Bros have always consistently pushed system sales. 

meetroid8

Am I? It honestly depends on how you define "consistent" in this case. For the record, I'm not saying that those franchises (Metroid included) can't help on the hardware front, but the frequency is nowhere nearly as great as Nintendo's two strongest franchises.

For SSB, I'll give you some credit for calling me out there. :P Normally, a game in that franchise is usually a pretty big deal to Nintendo fans, but here's where the "consistent" part comes into play; the series only sees an installment once a gen on average. In terms of success rate, yeah, SSB's consistent in moving consoles, but not so much as a franchise Nintendo can turn to on a biannually basis, which can be the case with Mario and Pokemon. I think it's true strength will also be tested when it finds itself as a multiplatform release for the first time with the Wii U and 3DS installments. That said, that's neither here nor there at the moment.

Zelda, on the other hand, has been on more shaky ground in recent years. Even compared to the SSB series, it hasn't proven as strong of a mover of consoles, even though it typically has more games per system. Outside of Wii's TP, which was a launch title that accompanied a game that sold about 10 times more (Wii Sports), which was the last Zelda game to prove as a major boost to Nintendo's hardware sales? The series still has its moments, no doubt, but its impact has been overstated in the last decade or so to the point of exaggeration.

(Speaking of which, that sentence in and of itself may have been an exaggeration on my part, but given the situation the Wii U is in and how desperate it needs a system selling game or two, it's not exactly farfetched either. :lol:)

I beg to differ. Retro Studios has a stellar reputation and Returns sold over 6 million copies. It's hard to say that Tropical Freeze won't spark some light in these dark days.thetravman

I see where you're going, but I'm standing by the statement. DKC:TF had no chance at being Nintendo's most important Wii U release this holiday season, and apparently, even Nintendo noticed it. That's no knock against Retro, as they are indeed a great developer, but the franchises they've worked on to this point aren't nearly as important enough for such a role. In 2004, Nintendo used Retro's Metroid Prime 2 as their big holiday release, and it pretty much got crushed under the weight of the hype that was surrounding the high profile releases on the other systems. DKC:TF would have been dealing with a similar circumstance, 2 new consoles, and a system that is struggling more now than the GCN ever did when it was relevant.

And yes, DKCR sold 6 million copies on a console with 100 million owners. That doesn't instantly make it or its predecessor a system-selling worthy title.  Furthermore, that would put it still well behind Super Mario Galaxy at 11+ million and nowhere near the stratosphere of New Super Mario Bros. Wii at nearly 28 million. Based on that alone, it only makes sense that Nintendo would prioritize the releases so that a new Mario game would have a chance to sell Wii Us during the busiest shopping week of the year, as opposed to a Donkey Kong game. Sure, they just released a Mario game last year, but the same thing could be said about a 2D platformer, so it still balances out to Super Mario 3D World's favor.

DKC:TF could still help as a significant software title, but believing it to be anything more than that is being way too optimistic.

Smart move for them, lame move for me, I have 0 interest in the new Mario game and I already have my DKCRTF preorder paid and was anxiously awaiting picking it up. Still, price cut is nice!TxTech1923

The good news is that it's not exactly like you'll have to be waiting much longer in this case. The important thing here is that Nintendo understood it couldn't have it's most important game of the year not be available for Black Friday, leaving DK to shoulder the burden of selling Wii Us in the face of so much competition. It's, what, a two week difference, yet it means much more than that to the Wii U's chances of survival this holiday season.

I still love Nintendo and their games, but I doubt I EVER buy a system from them at launch again. Either they drop the price within a year or come out with a better model. I really do like that Zelda bundle, but I already bought a launch console from them.

Anyway, glad to see DKCR at the 50 dollar price point.

yokofox33

Sorry to hear that...

Maybe THIS will cheer you up! :)

(In other words, you're not the only one who feels this pain.)

I don't regret my purchase at all as I've enjoyed the system a lot, but at the same time I probably could have waited a year with no regrets either.

Honestly, I'm just a sucker for limited edition consoles, so this new system bundle has caught my eye. Especially since it's 50 bucks cheaper than what I payed.

Yea I'm happier with them switching releases personally. I still wish MK8 got out this year but if it needs time it needs time then.

I still hope they change 3D World's title. I don't know, call it Mario Kitty Adventure for all I care just not something so mundane and boring as "3D World". Super Mario World 3 would suffice even if it isn't a 2D game.

You have been playing games for a long time, and you have played alot of games. Are you sure you are not just experiencing burn-out? That you think Nintendo has not been doing things right for several years is a surprising statement since you have a large library of Wii games in your collection, and a fairly large list of Wii games in your wish list. Nintendo has just recently sold 100 million Wiis total since its release. Several million people thought the Wii U was appealing enough to buy it early. Why are you unimpressed with the Wii U? Wonderful 101 looks like a good game, but what makes it one of the systems "biggest games"? Are not the Mario Galaxy Wii games 3D? Why are they considered to be not as "impactful" by you as the 2D Mario games?

Bob H

Collie_Lover

Heh... :)

First off, thanks for taking a look at my collection there. You're right. I've gone through my share of gaming over the years, and heck, I could very well be experiencing something of a burn-out effect these days. Honestly, though, neither of those things are relevant when it comes to my opinion of Nintendo's decision making in recent years. And by "recent years," I really only mean the past three years or so, not the last decade, where the company has obviously had great highs, as well as lows. What this would include would be mostly the latter years of the Wii and Nintendo's two most recent systems, the 3DS and Wii U, all of which have been handled poorly, in my opinion.  I could go deeper into this, but all of it is not fitting for the main subject here. If you must know the entirety of my stance, feel free to drop a PM, though. :)

I honestly couldn't care that much about several million people buying the Wii U at this point, as it doesn't really affect me. What I've been quite vocal about from the start, however, is how the Wii U and Nintendo's philosophy behind it has always seemed like a step backwards compared to where it just was a few years ago. I could play the "longtime Nintendo fan" card, but I really don't see it that way, as I'm sure the tried-and-true offerings will come. The system just doesn't seem poised to do anything more than that, which means I'm more than willing to wait it out for a while this time around. All being said, this really isn't about my personal preferences at all. The much bigger problem is that the rest of the world has so far responded to the Wii U in a way that is actually worse than I expected.

What makes Wonderful 101 a "big game?" That's actually a good question. Personally speaking, the game does nothing for me at all, but given the fact that it's one of the handful of notable exclusive releases for the Wii U this entire year, along with that fact that it's Nintendo-published and developed by an acclaimed developer like Platinum Games, it has been given more attention than most other offerings on the system to date (even though that's not saying much in reality). But hey, maybe it isn't a "big game..." Nevertheless, its nightmarish start in Japan is a very disturbing sign for Nintendo and any other game developer that may be having thoughts about investing heavily into the Wii U, which is extremely important moving forward.

And as for the whole 2D vs. 3D thing with Mario, it's as simple as numbers. Most of the top selling games in the Super Mario stable would be the 2D side-scrollers, and they have greater impact because they typically appeal to a much larger crowd. Critical acclaim and individual preference has no say of the matter here. No 3D Super Mario game is going to ever have a chance to scratch 30 million units sold, and this should be obvious now given how great the Super Mario Galaxy games were and the fact they they were on the super-popular Wii.

Hopefully, that answers all of your questions. I tried to be graceful with each statement you made. :P

Thanks for making this thread, I was sure Mario was supposed to come in December.  Now I know I'm not crazy.

brentendo3

Yea I'm happier with them switching releases personally. I still wish MK8 got out this year but if it needs time it needs time then.

I still hope they change 3D World's title. I don't know, call it Mario Kitty Adventure for all I care just not something so mundane and boring as "3D World". Super Mario World 3 would suffice even if it isn't a 2D game.

bonesawisready5

[QUOTE="Madmangamer364"]

With all due respect to Donkey Kong and its fans, the situation the Wii U faces as we speak is out of the franchise's league and ability to solve. There was absolutely no reason why Tropical Freeze should be the key game of Nintendo's holiday lineup as a November release

thetravman

I beg to differ. Retro Studios has a stellar reputation and Returns sold over 6 million copies. It's hard to say that Tropical Freeze won't spark some light in these dark days.

It's called 3D World because it's the sequel to 3D Land on the 3DS which was an awesome game. Not sure why people are so negative about it. It's the sequel to an awesome game with added 4 player mode and some weird Cat power that changes things up a bit. I played it and it's fun. I know it probably won't be as good as a Galaxy game but that will probably happen eventually. For now it's a fun Mario game that they can release quickly and makes a great party game too, something that always helps out Nintendo systems. I also assume Nintendo wanted Mario out in November all along, they just weren't sure it would be ready. I guess it's on schedule.

AlmightyDerek

The game's name honestly doesn't bother me that much, as it clearly explains where the idea for the game spawned from. Of course, that could also speak to the seemingly lack on inspiration that the game has, which has lead people to believe that this title won't measure up the likes of the Super Mario Galaxy games. Nevertheless, it does its job, especially concerning players of 3D Land that enjoyed that game. I'm not sure as to the extent of the impact this game will actually have or what truly lead Nintendo to take this route. All I see is that if the Wii U is going to survive a very hectic holiday season, this is really the best thing Nintendo has to work with right now.

I also think the price drop, while common sense still will really help. Not only is it $100 cheaper than the PS4 and $200 cheaper than the One but it comes with a game and will have much more impressive library than the other systems launch lineup. Although the launch games are good (mostly) most everything is multiplatform, pretty much like the Wii U's launch lineup. Although if the Wii U doesn't sell well this holiday then it's probably doomed to mediocre sales, but I think we should at least give it a few more months.AlmightyDerek

I'm not giving Nintendo credit for the price drop, as it was something that everyone could foresee and should have been done months ago. I'm also not sure how strong of an impression it will leave. Nevertheless, it should make something of a difference to a few people for a while. When it concerns the other platforms, though, I still don't think the Wii U's currently in a position to competitively counter them at the moment. Even with the holiday lineup, it has still threw away much of a first year where it should have been in the spotlight. Now that the spotlight has clearly moved on, Nintendo just has to make sure the system has some evident and lasting appeal in order to stay afloat for a while. The LAST thing Nintendo needs to be doing is trying to make comparisons and downtalk the other systems. *glares at Reggie*

And lastly, I agree with the last sentence for the most part. While I don't blame anyone that has already counted the Wii U out, given the levels of futility it has already reached, I do think it's fair to see what takes place in the coming months. There's not much light, but it could very well be an opening that Nintendo needs for the system... or a train coming to put an end to everything. Time will tell.

[QUOTE="TxTech1923"]Smart move for them, lame move for me, I have 0 interest in the new Mario game and I already have my DKCRTF preorder paid and was anxiously awaiting picking it up. Still, price cut is nice!Madmangamer364

The good news is that it's not exactly like you'll have to be waiting much longer in this case. The important thing here is that Nintendo understood it couldn't have it's most important game of the year not be available for Black Friday, leaving DK to shoulder the burden of selling Wii Us in the face of so much competition. It's, what, a two week difference, yet it means much more than that to the Wii U's chances of survival this holiday season.

I still love Nintendo and their games, but I doubt I EVER buy a system from them at launch again. Either they drop the price within a year or come out with a better model. I really do like that Zelda bundle, but I already bought a launch console from them.

Anyway, glad to see DKCR at the 50 dollar price point.

yokofox33

@Madmangamer364 good topic because I think Nintendo fails to understand that side scrollers are not the solution to making Wii U relevant to electronic consumers. NSMBU does work as a killer app (AKA software that moves larger amounts of hardware) but other side scrollers are not going to have that impact. Nintendo should always make new side scrollers though. I love DKC and even the new ones are pretty good too. DKC: TF should not be one of the headlining titles though to convince people that Wii U is a significant platform. Side scrollers and remakes (Wind Waker HD) are niche low tier/low impact titles in terms of Nintendo being competitive but these are some of the biggest games they have to offer. This is just sad to me.

A side scroller and a preexisting GC game are not going to showcase the abilities of a anext gen system esp. one with built in second screen potential. Nintendo needed bigger games for the upcoming release of two other next gen consoles.

If instead of Wind Waker HD, we were getting a brand new Zelda game with graphics that pushed the system and interesting GamePad functions then Nintendo would be taking the stage of attention away from the competion. DKC Returns moved a couple million with a Wii install base of of 100 million. This new DKC is going to move much less as there are way less Wii Us and the overall health of the system is shoddy.

Nintendo needed a home run holiday lineup and what they have is B grade quality at best.

[QUOTE="AlmightyDerek"]It's called 3D World because it's the sequel to 3D Land on the 3DS which was an awesome game. Not sure why people are so negative about it. It's the sequel to an awesome game with added 4 player mode and some weird Cat power that changes things up a bit. I played it and it's fun. I know it probably won't be as good as a Galaxy game but that will probably happen eventually. For now it's a fun Mario game that they can release quickly and makes a great party game too, something that always helps out Nintendo systems. I also assume Nintendo wanted Mario out in November all along, they just weren't sure it would be ready. I guess it's on schedule.

Madmangamer364

The game's name honestly doesn't bother me that much, as it clearly explains where the idea for the game spawned from. Of course, that could also speak to the seemingly lack on inspiration that the game has, which has lead people to believe that this title won't measure up the likes of the Super Mario Galaxy games. Nevertheless, it does its job, especially concerning players of 3D Land that enjoyed that game. I'm not sure as to the extent of the impact this game will actually have or what truly lead Nintendo to take this route. All I see is that if the Wii U is going to survive a very hectic holiday season, this is really the best thing Nintendo has to work with right now.

I also think the price drop, while common sense still will really help. Not only is it $100 cheaper than the PS4 and $200 cheaper than the One but it comes with a game and will have much more impressive library than the other systems launch lineup. Although the launch games are good (mostly) most everything is multiplatform, pretty much like the Wii U's launch lineup. Although if the Wii U doesn't sell well this holiday then it's probably doomed to mediocre sales, but I think we should at least give it a few more months.AlmightyDerek

I'm not giving Nintendo credit for the price drop, as it was something that everyone could foresee and should have been done months ago. I'm also not sure how strong of an impression it will leave. Nevertheless, it should make something of a difference to a few people for a while. When it concerns the other platforms, though, I still don't think the Wii U's currently in a position to competitively counter them at the moment. Even with the holiday lineup, it has still threw away much of a first year where it should have been in the spotlight. Now that the spotlight has clearly moved on, Nintendo just has to make sure the system has some evident and lasting appeal in order to stay afloat for a while. The LAST thing Nintendo needs to be doing is trying to make comparisons and downtalk the other systems. *glares at Reggie*

And lastly, I agree with the last sentence for the most part. While I don't blame anyone that has already counted the Wii U out, given the levels of futility it has already reached, I do think it's fair to see what takes place in the coming months. There's not much light, but it could very well be an opening that Nintendo needs for the system... or a train coming to put an end to everything. Time will tell.

[QUOTE="yokofox33"]

I still love Nintendo and their games, but I doubt I EVER buy a system from them at launch again. Either they drop the price within a year or come out with a better model. I really do like that Zelda bundle, but I already bought a launch console from them.

Anyway, glad to see DKCR at the 50 dollar price point.

Bardock47

if they were even smarter, it'd come out Nov 15 ;)starwarsjunky

or even better...nov 14 :twisted:

lol

Nintendo has done it right with a lot of games, but not limited to: Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros, Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong Jungle, Mario Bros, and Mario Galaxy. But they really shine when they make arcade, platform, and side-scroller games. IMO to be more successful they could make more of these types of games. They could create new characters inside or outside of the Mario universe and new story lines to refresh and build greater interest in their consoles for many years to come. They could continue to develop 3d games, but the focus should be slanted toward their strengths, where they appeal to the most customers, and where they make the most money. (I don't know what the sales were for Link's Crossbow Training, but I like these light gun type games, and would personally like to see more of these games.)

[QUOTE="Bardock47"]

[QUOTE="yokofox33"]

I still love Nintendo and their games, but I doubt I EVER buy a system from them at launch again. Either they drop the price within a year or come out with a better model. I really do like that Zelda bundle, but I already bought a launch console from them.

Anyway, glad to see DKCR at the 50 dollar price point.

Avatar_Taxidous

Nintendo is taking L's left and right this year SMFH. They've got to release Smash Bros and Mario Kart 8 within a year. I do think they're getting on the right track but they need to get working on the Third Party support. I understand we're all Nintendo fans here but the Wii U's third party support is a joke. No one wants to develop for it. Whether or not it's Nintendo or the game developers fault is irrelevant. The Wii U should be the focal point right now. IT NEEDS GAMES. I'm confident they can come out with the hits, and they're starting to. It's just that they are a little late especially with the PS4 and Xbox One a few months away.

these games should not be selling for more than 30 bones. 50 bucks for a side scrolling platformer? Pure butt rape

these games should not be selling for more than 30 bones. 50 bucks for a side scrolling platformer? Pure butt rape

consoletroll

Except that Tropical freeze will be the MUCH better game.  It's kind of righting the wrong of DKCR so to speak.

This Mario game is just more of the same, uninspired safe crap.  Whatever happened to the magic of Mario?  Where are games like Mario Sunshine?  That game was one of the best games period 6th generation. 

To be fair though, 3D World is just more filler and we'll get something bigger and better down the line.

they dont have a reputation for it. it would be sad to think of the possibility of mario's house rushing a game though. well wishes credit to the contrary. OmitName

Oh it's rushed all right, big time.  But again, it's just filler.  The team is already working on the next game, and hopefully it's a proper 3D Mario.

What people don't think about is, Nintendo is rushing to get caught up with today's development processes, they missed 7 years of HD development and still have to keep up with the latest at the same time.

Except that Tropical freeze will be the MUCH better game.  It's kind of righting the wrong of DKCR so to speak.

This Mario game is just more of the same, uninspired safe crap.  Whatever happened to the magic of Mario?  Where are games like Mario Sunshine?  That game was one of the best games period 6th generation. 

To be fair though, 3D World is just more filler and we'll get something bigger and better down the line.

Chozofication

[QUOTE="Chozofication"]

Except that Tropical freeze will be the MUCH better game.  It's kind of righting the wrong of DKCR so to speak.

This Mario game is just more of the same, uninspired safe crap.  Whatever happened to the magic of Mario?  Where are games like Mario Sunshine?  That game was one of the best games period 6th generation. 

To be fair though, 3D World is just more filler and we'll get something bigger and better down the line.

thedude-

And that was the first thing wrong with DKCR, but far from the last...

This game is a night and day improvement, it should be incredible.  And it'll probably be the last we see of DK for a while, too.

[QUOTE="thedude-"][QUOTE="Chozofication"]

Except that Tropical freeze will be the MUCH better game.  It's kind of righting the wrong of DKCR so to speak.

This Mario game is just more of the same, uninspired safe crap.  Whatever happened to the magic of Mario?  Where are games like Mario Sunshine?  That game was one of the best games period 6th generation. 

To be fair though, 3D World is just more filler and we'll get something bigger and better down the line.

Chozofication

And that was the first thing wrong with DKCR, but far from the last...

This game is a night and day improvement, it should be incredible.  And it'll probably be the last we see of DK for a while, too.

Except that Tropical freeze will be the MUCH better game.  It's kind of righting the wrong of DKCR so to speak.

This Mario game is just more of the same, uninspired safe crap.  Whatever happened to the magic of Mario?  Where are games like Mario Sunshine?  That game was one of the best games period 6th generation. 

To be fair though, 3D World is just more filler and we'll get something bigger and better down the line.

Chozofication

I'm not sure what ANY of that has to do with the topic. Honestly, it's a subjective and possibly premature statement, given that neither game is out, but most importantly, it's not relevant to the discussion at all.

I'm honestly not lining up for either of these games, but I realize the importance of having the strongest game available for the busiest shopping period of the year, especially for a system like the Wii U. That strongest game as we speak is Super Mario 3D World, not Tropical Freeze. If you ask me, BOTH games come off as safe, uninspired offerings from Nintendo, and I think there's a chance neither will drastically help the Wii U out as much as their brand power would suggest. All being said, going with Mario is the MUCH better move in this situation.

Feel as free as you want to question Mario's magic. Go right ahead and proclaim that Tropical Freeze will be the better game, much like there are those who have said Donkey Kong Country Returns was a better game than New Super Mario Bros. Wii. That's not nearly as important as the fact that NSMBWii sold 4.5 times as many copies as DKCR, and that was on Nintendo's healthiest ever console. The Wii U is in the opposite situation as its predecessor, and as it stands, regardless of what 3D World truly is, it's easily the best Nintendo has to offer if they're going to make the Wii U relevant this holiday season.

Yeah Mario has a better chance at moving systems than Donkey Kong, but from my perspective, Donkey Kong Country Returns is a much better game than either of the galaxies so I anticipate the next Donkey Kong a lot more than the next mario. This just means I have to wait longer for it :P

[QUOTE="Chozofication"]

[QUOTE="thedude-"] Tropical Freeze should just be better purely on the standard controller it will be using.thedude-

And that was the first thing wrong with DKCR, but far from the last...

This game is a night and day improvement, it should be incredible. And it'll probably be the last we see of DK for a while, too.

I used to dislike the controls until I started playing the way it was intended (Wiimote+nunchuck) and it makes a world of difference. It controls so naturally. The motion controls are super responsive and the analogue control adds a lot of precision.

P.S. you preferred the look of the old DKC games? I guess to each their own, but I find the more directed and complete vision present in the art style of DKCR to be far more appealing. So appealing in fact that I consider it the best looking game of the past generation, my PS3 collection included.

[QUOTE="thedude-"][QUOTE="Chozofication"]

And that was the first thing wrong with DKCR, but far from the last...

This game is a night and day improvement, it should be incredible. And it'll probably be the last we see of DK for a while, too.

Pikminmaniac

I used to dislike the controls until I started playing the way it was intended (Wiimote+nunchuck) and it makes a world of difference. It controls so naturally. The motion controls are super responsive and the analogue control adds a lot of precision.

P.S. you preferred the look of the old DKC games? I guess to each their own, but I find the more directed and complete vision present in the art style of DKCR to be far more appealing. So appealing in fact that I consider it the best looking game of the past generation, my PS3 collection included.

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="thedude-"] Yes having to shake the controller for such a quick action that you need to do all the time what beyond ridiculous. If I had everything in the universe my way I would want an art style closer to the old DKC games.thedude-

I used to dislike the controls until I started playing the way it was intended (Wiimote+nunchuck) and it makes a world of difference. It controls so naturally. The motion controls are super responsive and the analogue control adds a lot of precision.

P.S. you preferred the look of the old DKC games? I guess to each their own, but I find the more directed and complete vision present in the art style of DKCR to be far more appealing. So appealing in fact that I consider it the best looking game of the past generation, my PS3 collection included.

i think the two things that impress me most with the visuals are the sheer amount of smooth and natural animations they gave Donkey kong as well as those stunningly complex backgrounds. I mean if the detail and depth of the backgrounds weren't enough, they almost NEVER reused a single backgound ever. Pick any level, go into it, and discover that there is absolutely no repetition to be found. that's dedication

[QUOTE="thedude-"][QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

I used to dislike the controls until I started playing the way it was intended (Wiimote+nunchuck) and it makes a world of difference. It controls so naturally. The motion controls are super responsive and the analogue control adds a lot of precision.

P.S. you preferred the look of the old DKC games? I guess to each their own, but I find the more directed and complete vision present in the art style of DKCR to be far more appealing. So appealing in fact that I consider it the best looking game of the past generation, my PS3 collection included.

Pikminmaniac

i think the two things that impress me most with the visuals are the sheer amount of smooth and natural animations they gave Donkey kong as well as those stunningly complex backgrounds. I mean if the detail and depth of the backgrounds weren't enough, they almost NEVER reused a single backgound ever. Pick any level, go into it, and discover that there is absolutely no repetition to be found. that's dedication