Which has aged better? Early 3D games or Early 2D games?

ps1 generation and early 3d are the ugliest set of graphics since the atari days. i think 16 but games aged really well

I really think only the very early forms of both have issues, mainly 2D from the late 70s, or early 3D from the late 80s or very early 90s.

at that point, the games just tend to be basic looking, and in the case of the 3D games, they usually had a terrible frame rate.

I have no issues with mid-late 90s 3D though.

I really think only the very early forms of both have issues, mainly 2D from the late 70s, or early 3D from the late 80s or very early 90s.

 

at that point, the games just tend to be basic looking, and in the case of the 3D games, they usually had a terrible frame rate.

 

I have no issues with mid-late 90s 3D though.

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

I really think only the very early forms of both have issues, mainly 2D from the late 70s, or early 3D from the late 80s or very early 90s.

 

at that point, the games just tend to be basic looking, and in the case of the 3D games, they usually had a terrible frame rate.

 

I have no issues with mid-late 90s 3D though.

Jakandsigz

And if you want to see some BAD early 3D gaming go watch just about ANY game on the Jaguar. Exodus87

there's some pretty good atari jaguar games actually. I'd love to own one

Honestly games don't age at all. Expectations increase, and memories help make games better than they might have otherwise been.

At the same time, I find myself going back to NES, SNES and Sega Genesis games more often than the majority of PlayStation games I enjoyed.

Edit: One example of that is when I can go back and replay a few levels here and there of Bubsy on SNES, while playing Bubsy 3D's first level one time was enough that I don't really need to play it ever again :)   

Honestly games don't age at all. Expectations increase, and memories help make games better than they might have otherwise been.

At the same time, I find myself going back to NES, SNES and Sega Genesis games more often than the majority of PlayStation games I enjoyed.

Edit: One example of that is when I can go back and replay a few levels here and there of Bubsy on SNES, while playing Bubsy 3D's first level one time was enough that I don't really need to play it ever again :)   

Stinger78

Overall, as far as pure graphics go, 2D has aged far, far better, especially 16 bit games, many of which still look drop dead gorgeous.

[QUOTE="Stinger78"]

Honestly games don't age at all. Expectations increase, and memories help make games better than they might have otherwise been.

At the same time, I find myself going back to NES, SNES and Sega Genesis games more often than the majority of PlayStation games I enjoyed.

Edit: One example of that is when I can go back and replay a few levels here and there of Bubsy on SNES, while playing Bubsy 3D's first level one time was enough that I don't really need to play it ever again :)   

El_Zo1212o

Whuile I definitely agree with what you're saying, I think it really comes down to the game... For instance, when I first played the Chrono trigger port on DS back in 2009, it felt as rgeat as any modern game could hope to be.  Meanwhile, I'm playing the original Dragon Warrior and, while I enjoy it a lot, there are quite a few dated features to it (such as only being able to hard save in one town... ugh).  so really, what you're asying only applies depending on the game that is in question.

All PS1 and Saturn 3d games are virtually UNPLAYABLE. Believe me, it looks even worse in motion. Moving polygons, flickering and so on. I don't even touch those consoles because the graphics are so horrible.

It took until N64 and 3dfx for acceptable graphics in my opinion.

Man, that gap was so huge. Thank you Nintendo and PC. Both saved 3d gaming for me.

And if you want to see some BAD early 3D gaming go watch just about ANY game on the Jaguar. Exodus87

Overall, as far as pure graphics go, 2D has aged far, far better, especially 16 bit games, many of which still look drop dead gorgeous.

turtlethetaffer

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Stinger78"]

Honestly games don't age at all. Expectations increase, and memories help make games better than they might have otherwise been.

At the same time, I find myself going back to NES, SNES and Sega Genesis games more often than the majority of PlayStation games I enjoyed.

Edit: One example of that is when I can go back and replay a few levels here and there of Bubsy on SNES, while playing Bubsy 3D's first level one time was enough that I don't really need to play it ever again :)   

turtlethetaffer

Whuile I definitely agree with what you're saying, I think it really comes down to the game... For instance, when I first played the Chrono trigger port on DS back in 2009, it felt as rgeat as any modern game could hope to be.  Meanwhile, I'm playing the original Dragon Warrior and, while I enjoy it a lot, there are quite a few dated features to it (such as only being able to hard save in one town... ugh).  so really, what you're asying only applies depending on the game that is in question.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Overall, as far as pure graphics go, 2D has aged far, far better, especially 16 bit games, many of which still look drop dead gorgeous.

Jakandsigz

So?

[QUOTE="Exodus87"]And if you want to see some BAD early 3D gaming go watch just about ANY game on the Jaguar. rilpas

there's some pretty good atari jaguar games actually. I'd love to own one

I am so very glad I've hung onto the Jaguar throughout the years, as you are correct there are some good games.

But there's no denying the graphics are pretty bad most times. Which I think adds to the charm, naturally.

Depends how early is "early"...

It also depends on platform, since "early" arcade games were, graphically, years ahead of home systems back then.

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Overall, as far as pure graphics go, 2D has aged far, far better, especially 16 bit games, many of which still look drop dead gorgeous.

turtlethetaffer

So?

Depends how early is "early"...

It also depends on platform, since "early" arcade games were, graphically, years ahead of home systems back then.

Jag85

2D wins out.  It depends on what you mean by early 2D.  I would rather play early NES and SNES games than play early PlayStation and N64 games.  Games like Mario Bros 1, Mario World, Castlevania 4, and F-Zero still have a certain charm that Warhawk, Assault Rigs, Battle Arena Toshiden, and Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire do not have. 

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] 4th generation graphics are not early 2d.Jakandsigz

So?

I answered your question buddy. Might be you who needed glasses. I said 2D aged far. far better, then mentioned that the 16 bit games age especially well. But it still applies to early 2D.

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

Depends how early is "early"...

It also depends on platform, since "early" arcade games were, graphically, years ahead of home systems back then.

Jakandsigz

Depends on what era of "early 3D" you mean. The age of Star Fox and Virtua Fighting or the age of Super Mario 64 and beyond. But even then a lot of early 3D games are clunky and frustrating.

Early 2D for sure have aged better. Even the earliest of 2D games like Pac-man and PONG are still really fun to pick up every now and then, while games like Virtua Racing are frustrating to play today when compared to other games just a few years later.

Early 3D does have its own charms in certain games, but early 2D is timeless.

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="Jag85"]

Depends how early is "early"...

It also depends on platform, since "early" arcade games were, graphically, years ahead of home systems back then.

Jag85

I think it depends on the game, and your preference. Some of the 2d examples you (the OP) used are too old for my tastes. For me, I'll take art style over technical proficiency any day. For example, look at Street Fighter Alpha 2 on the psx, and then look at psx 3d games of that era. While the 3d games are good (considering), I personally like the look of SFA2 more, and think it has held over better. That's just what I like though. AtelierFan

It depends on the games... some still look just like they did when they first came out, others... well they look like horse shit playing them today.

Take a look at the first MYST game that came out in 1993 - I'm not shitting you:

Not gonna lie, these are all pre-renderd images... so what? It was still years ahead of its time.

I like both, as long as I consider them fun or interesting.

Early 2D games are basic, both, in gameplay and visuals but games like Pong, Space Invaders, Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, ect. are timeless classics.

Early 3D games are also basic-looking, but I still find games like Virtua Racing, F1 Grand Prix, X-Wing, Star Fox, Hard Drivin, ect. to be either amusing or interesting.

The 3D polygon look actually had a charm of it's own, imo.

But I must add that early 3D games had problems with things like framerates, draw-distances and pixelation tho. (for example Hard Drivin is near unplaylable on Sega Genesis because it's so slow - 3D games got acceptable framerates once dedicated 3D chips became viable)

It depends on the games... some still look just like they did when they first came out, others... well they look like horse shit playing them today.

 

Take a look at the first MYST game that came out in 1993 - I'm not shitting you:

Not gonna lie, these are all pre-renderd images... so what? It was still years ahead of its time.

 

Metallic_Blade

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^ don't forget early vector-graphics 3D arcade games:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm_gg7geX_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QdxsiYuuQA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXyRp3yVV5w

 Look at these beautiful graphics. This superb art design as well as tight controls proves that early 2D gaming aged worse than this masterpiece.

^ don't forget early vector-graphics 3D arcade games:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm_gg7geX_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QdxsiYuuQA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXyRp3yVV5w

nameless12345

I think vector graphics is a bit too early...

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^ don't forget early vector-graphics 3D arcade games:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm_gg7geX_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QdxsiYuuQA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXyRp3yVV5w

Jag85

I think vector graphics is a bit too early...

Well I like the look of arcade vector 3D games.

Vectrex games look cool to me too.

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

^ don't forget early vector-graphics 3D arcade games:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm_gg7geX_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QdxsiYuuQA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXyRp3yVV5w

nameless12345

I think vector graphics is a bit too early...

Well I like the look of arcade vector 3D games.

Vectrex games look cool to me too.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

I think vector graphics is a bit too early...

Jag85

Well I like the look of arcade vector 3D games.

Vectrex games look cool to me too.

Vectors, polygons, voxels, ect. are all 3D graphics as far as I'm concerned.

All graphics are 2D really, 3D is just an illusion created by adding the Z-axis.

[QUOTE="Jag85"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

 

Well I like the look of arcade vector 3D games.

Vectrex games look cool to me too.

nameless12345

Vectors, polygons, voxels, ect. are all 3D graphics as far as I'm concerned.

All graphics are 2D really, 3D is just an illusion created by adding the Z-axis.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"] Usually when people talk about 3D games, they mean 3D polygon graphics, not the vector graphics or sprite-scaling effects they used before that.Jag85

Vectors, polygons, voxels, ect. are all 3D graphics as far as I'm concerned.

All graphics are 2D really, 3D is just an illusion created by adding the Z-axis.

Sprite-scaling is. indeed, a form of 3D graphics too.

It's simply that the viewed object can't be seen from each side hence we use the term "pseudo 3D".

I can handle both as long as the game is fun.

I know these aren't the earliest, but comparing N64 games to SNES games is like night and day to me.  I find the 2D graphics on the SNES beautiful while I find the graphics for 3D games on the N64 to be very ugly a lot of the time. 

Some 80's early 3D polygon PC games.

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