whatever happened to cartridges ????

Can't really say they are more expensive because xbox360 discs are 60$ and 3ds cards are 40$. They load faster than discs and they dont get all scratched up either. carts are just higher quality, and they could probably fit half a terabyte on a cart the size of an n64 cart now. Carts were the greatest and you know the cart technology of the present day could easily surpass cd based media. thats just my two cents

Gaming is starting to shift to digital distribution. In a few years, disc-based media will be a thing of the past as well.

what do you do if you want to bring a game over your friends?

carts are , on a MB to MB basis, more expensive.

i wouldnt mind paying a few extra bucks for something that wont scratch and will not load

what do you do if you want to bring a game over your friends?

conkertheking1

Hey, I'm right there with you. It's not me pushing for digital distrubtion of gaming, it's the gaming industry.

It's just the way of the industry.

I miss the cartridge days, and I'm going to miss when discs aren't used.

i wouldnt mind paying a few extra bucks for something that wont scratch and will not load

conkertheking1

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"]

i wouldnt mind paying a few extra bucks for something that wont scratch and will not load

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="conkertheking1"]

i wouldnt mind paying a few extra bucks for something that wont scratch and will not load

conkertheking1

they have micro sd cards that are four gigs and its the size of my pinky nail. i dont think carts would have less content at all

I can assure you that 4GB micro SD is more expensive than the 25-50GB bluray. so yeah , youre going to get less content, some will be compressed, some will be thrown out altogether.

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] and have alot less content? have you ever been ripped off?Darkman2007

they have micro sd cards that are four gigs and its the size of my pinky nail. i dont think carts would have less content at all

I can assure you that 4GB micro SD is more expensive than the 25-50GB bluray. so yeah , youre going to get less content, some will be compressed, some will be thrown out altogether.

besides like i said before i wouldnt mind paying a little extra for something with no load times and something that cant get scratched so easily

besides like i said before i wouldnt mind paying a little extra for something with no load times and something that cant get scratched so easily

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"]

they have micro sd cards that are four gigs and its the size of my pinky nail. i dont think carts would have less content at allconkertheking1

I can assure you that 4GB micro SD is more expensive than the 25-50GB bluray. so yeah , youre going to get less content, some will be compressed, some will be thrown out altogether.

besides like i said before i wouldnt mind paying a little extra for something with no load times and something that cant get scratched so easily

conkertheking1

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

I can assure you that 4GB micro SD is more expensive than the 25-50GB bluray. so yeah , youre going to get less content, some will be compressed, some will be thrown out altogether.

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="conkertheking1"] i think they are pretty cheap here: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_6?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=4+gig+micro+sd+card&sprefix=4+gig+%2Celectronics%2C0&rh=n%3A172282%2Ck%3A4+gig+micro+sd+card and buying in bulk amounts i wouldnt expect the games to be that much more expensive if this was what they came onconkertheking1

the fact your PS2 broke is one thing, going to cartridges is another.

and its quite frankly dumb to refer to the GBA as a model for a console game, do you even know how much space is in an average GBA cartridge? 4MB , with 32MB at the largest. are you honestly going to use that for a console game which at this generation uses 9GB minimum? nevermind the Bluray's 25-50GB , or next gen.

time to take off the nostalgia glasses Im afraid, I like cartridges too , they look cool and are sturdy, but at the same time, to somehow claim that they are cheap , or have some sort of comparaible space capabilities as a Blu Ray , is frankly hilarious.

it doesn't make you look smarter thats for sure.

oh and if you can't stand a few seconds of loading, run away from games on personal computers from the 80s and 90s, the loading on them makes loading from a DVD look lightning fast

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] and for the same price you can get several Blu Rays :P I know that the cartridge thing is driven mainly by your admiration for the N64 , I get it, but the fact is, carts , or SD cards, simply cannot beat discs on a MB to MB ratio. wheter you like it or not, thats reality, time to face it 15 years later.Darkman2007

the fact your PS2 broke is one thing, going to cartridges is another.

and its quite frankly dumb to refer to the GBA as a model for a console game, do you even know how much space is in an average GBA cartridge? 4MB , with 32MB at the largest. are you honestly going to use that for a console game which at this generation uses 9GB minimum? nevermind the Bluray's 25-50GB , or next gen.

time to take off the nostalgia glasses Im afraid, I like cartridges too , they look cool and are sturdy, but at the same time, to somehow claim that they are cheap , or have some sort of comparaible space capabilities as a Blu Ray , is frankly hilarious.

it doesn't make you look smarter thats for sure.

oh and if you can't stand a few seconds of loading, run away from games on personal computers from the 80s and 90s, the loading on them makes loading from a DVD look lightning fast

say what you want bro but as long as cartridges exist they will be better than discs. no load times no scratches, sure they may be more expensive but i've always been a man of quality. Also i didnt know micro sd cards came in 16 gig form until now so for the size of a GBA game if they wanted they could have halo 4 fit on a GBA cart.

Oh and one more thing the snes whooped genesis's ass thought i might throw that in there cause i know it will just piss you off;)

Gaming is starting to shift to digital distribution. In a few years, disc-based media will be a thing of the past as well.Emerald_Warrior

Who needs either? All bout DDJigglyWiggly_

If that ever happens, you won't be quite happy with games that won't ever be lowered with even more restrictions, etc.

say what you want bro but as long as cartridges exist they will be better than discs. no load times no scratches, sure they may be more expensive but i've always been a man of quality. Also i didnt know micro sd cards came in 16 gig form until now so for the size of a GBA game if they wanted they could have halo 4 fit on a GBA cart.

Oh and one more thing the snes whooped genesis's ass thought i might throw that in there cause i know it will just piss you off;)

conkertheking1

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"]

say what you want bro but as long as cartridges exist they will be better than discs. no load times no scratches, sure they may be more expensive but i've always been a man of quality. Also i didnt know micro sd cards came in 16 gig form until now so for the size of a GBA game if they wanted they could have halo 4 fit on a GBA cart.

Oh and one more thing the snes whooped genesis's ass thought i might throw that in there cause i know it will just piss you off;)

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="conkertheking1"]

say what you want bro but as long as cartridges exist they will be better than discs. no load times no scratches, sure they may be more expensive but i've always been a man of quality. Also i didnt know micro sd cards came in 16 gig form until now so for the size of a GBA game if they wanted they could have halo 4 fit on a GBA cart.

Oh and one more thing the snes whooped genesis's ass thought i might throw that in there cause i know it will just piss you off;)

conkertheking1

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="conkertheking1"] i shouldnt be the most mature person here bro im only 15. and you are just in denial that discs are better than carts. The fact is carts are better but they are more expensive so our big corporate game companies want that extrra 30 cents more than making quality products. and nostalgia has nothing to do with the fact that cartridge based media in our "present" time surpasses disc media in every way except maybe delivering the graphics of blurayconkertheking1

You're saying a bluray disc can fit more content than this, or four of these, or one of these the size of a GBA cart.

you are the one who is dumb sir, and you have been proven wrong by a meer 15 year old. you are pathetic

You're saying a bluray disc can fit more content than this, or four of these, or one of these the size of a GBA cart.

you are the one who is dumb sir, and you have been proven wrong by a meer 15 year old. you are pathetic

conkertheking1

lol, that card is £41 on Ebay, nevermind the game they would have to put on top of it.

but hey , pay £80 for your games, you must be one rich kid.

you are so retarded. how is it more content on phucking blu ray explain that. YOU CAN FIT FOUR 16GIG MICRO SD CARDS IF NOT MORE INTO A GBA CART, DO THE MATH THAT'S 64GIGS ON A GBA CART! i dont see how you think you could fit less content on that than a 50 gig blu ray. and if you compared it gram for gram, micro sd cards have more capacity. Im done with this you are just too denseconkertheking1

Besides the obvious price difference (yes, bulk flash media is cheaper but so is bulk optical media. While flash drops to a few dollars in bulk optical media drops to pennies. It adds up), you're also mistaken about the perceived speed difference. Cheap flash media is painfully slow. A 24x DVD drive can read at about 34MB per second, while even the best micro SD cards top out around 22MB per second (and that's assuming you don't go cheap).

If you think that flash media would have no load times, buy a Vita. The Vita uses read only SD cards for game carts, but the media just isn't that fast. It's not bad, but the Vita still caches data off the slower SD cart onto the faster custom Sony flash memory inside and even after that there are still load times.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"]you are so retarded. how is it more content on phucking blu ray explain that. YOU CAN FIT FOUR 16GIG MICRO SD CARDS IF NOT MORE INTO A GBA CART, DO THE MATH THAT'S 64GIGS ON A GBA CART! i dont see how you think you could fit less content on that than a 50 gig blu ray. and if you compared it gram for gram, micro sd cards have more capacity. Im done with this you are just too denseByshop

Besides the obvious price difference (yes, bulk flash media is cheaper but so is bulk optical media. While flash drops to a few dollars in bulk optical media drops to pennies. It adds up), you're also mistaken about the perceived speed difference. Cheap flash media is painfully slow. A 24x DVD drive can read at about 34MB per second, while even the best micro SD cards top out around 22MB per second (and that's assuming you don't go cheap).

If you think that flash media would have no load times, buy a Vita. The Vita uses read only SD cards for game carts, but the media just isn't that fast. It's not bad, but the Vita still caches data off the slower SD cart onto the faster custom Sony flash memory inside and even after that there are still load times.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="Byshop"]

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"]you are so retarded. how is it more content on phucking blu ray explain that. YOU CAN FIT FOUR 16GIG MICRO SD CARDS IF NOT MORE INTO A GBA CART, DO THE MATH THAT'S 64GIGS ON A GBA CART! i dont see how you think you could fit less content on that than a 50 gig blu ray. and if you compared it gram for gram, micro sd cards have more capacity. Im done with this you are just too denseconkertheking1

Besides the obvious price difference (yes, bulk flash media is cheaper but so is bulk optical media. While flash drops to a few dollars in bulk optical media drops to pennies. It adds up), you're also mistaken about the perceived speed difference. Cheap flash media is painfully slow. A 24x DVD drive can read at about 34MB per second, while even the best micro SD cards top out around 22MB per second (and that's assuming you don't go cheap).

If you think that flash media would have no load times, buy a Vita. The Vita uses read only SD cards for game carts, but the media just isn't that fast. It's not bad, but the Vita still caches data off the slower SD cart onto the faster custom Sony flash memory inside and even after that there are still load times.

-Byshop

Gaming is starting to shift to digital distribution. In a few years, disc-based media will be a thing of the past as well.

Emerald_Warrior

The day this happens is the day I go 100% retro. I agree with you though, it's only a matter of time before it happens, my guess is that towards the end of this coming generation, 75% of all video games and video game content will be DD. The gen after that, forget about it.

But to TC, I miss carts to and really hope some of the old cart based consoles get a boost since retro gaming is becoming more popular. I'd love to see some developer release new SNES or N64 games again. I know there is a small development scene for cart based consoles, but the quality releases are very few and far between. While it is a disc based system, the Dreamcast still gets some really cool new games released for it every so often.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Gaming is starting to shift to digital distribution. In a few years, disc-based media will be a thing of the past as well.

Shenmue_Jehuty

The day this happens is the day I go 100% retro. I agree with you though, it's only a matter of time before it happens, my guess is that towards the end of this coming generation, 75% of all video games and video game content will be DD. The gen after that, forget about it.

But to TC, I miss carts to and really hope some of the old cart based consoles get a boost since retro gaming is becoming more popular. I'd love to see some developer release new SNES or N64 games again. I know there is a small development scene for cart based consoles, but the quality releases are very few and far between. While it is a disc based system, the Dreamcast still gets some really cool new games released for it every so often.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Gaming is starting to shift to digital distribution. In a few years, disc-based media will be a thing of the past as well.

conkertheking1

The day this happens is the day I go 100% retro. I agree with you though, it's only a matter of time before it happens, my guess is that towards the end of this coming generation, 75% of all video games and video game content will be DD. The gen after that, forget about it.

But to TC, I miss carts to and really hope some of the old cart based consoles get a boost since retro gaming is becoming more popular. I'd love to see some developer release new SNES or N64 games again. I know there is a small development scene for cart based consoles, but the quality releases are very few and far between. While it is a disc based system, the Dreamcast still gets some really cool new games released for it every so often.

While it is technically a cart, I actually don't like the DS and 3DS cards, they're too small and for whatever reason it doesn't have the same feel as an NES or Genesis cart. But yes, I do like cartridges more then discs and always have. Most games have got better about loading times, but still, no loads are better than short loads.

agreed, except i like the 3ds/ds cards they always get put back in their case when im done playing them

Can't really say they are more expensive because xbox360 discs are 60$ and 3ds cards are 40$. They load faster than discs and they dont get all scratched up either. carts are just higher quality, and they could probably fit half a terabyte on a cart the size of an n64 cart now. Carts were the greatest and you know the cart technology of the present day could easily surpass cd based media. thats just my two cents

conkertheking1

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"]

Can't really say they are more expensive because xbox360 discs are 60$ and 3ds cards are 40$. They load faster than discs and they dont get all scratched up either. carts are just higher quality, and they could probably fit half a terabyte on a cart the size of an n64 cart now. Carts were the greatest and you know the cart technology of the present day could easily surpass cd based media. thats just my two cents

Sphensen

[QUOTE="Sphensen"][QUOTE="conkertheking1"]

Can't really say they are more expensive because xbox360 discs are 60$ and 3ds cards are 40$. They load faster than discs and they dont get all scratched up either. carts are just higher quality, and they could probably fit half a terabyte on a cart the size of an n64 cart now. Carts were the greatest and you know the cart technology of the present day could easily surpass cd based media. thats just my two cents

conkertheking1

I'm pretty sure he wasn't serious.

i wouldnt mind paying a few extra bucks for something that wont scratch and will not load

conkertheking1

REvelations on the 3DS has pretty substantial loading times. Longer than most disc based PS1/PS2 games. Moreover, blurays don't scratch.

Can't really say they are more expensive because xbox360 discs are 60$ and 3ds cards are 40$. They load faster than discs and they dont get all scratched up either. carts are just higher quality, and they could probably fit half a terabyte on a cart the size of an n64 cart now.

So then i guess nintendo loses money on every ds/3ds game right, which aslo btw have no load screensconkertheking1

Look kid, this isn't complicated. You are missing the whole picture in more ways than one.

The diffence between a $60 AAA 360 title and a $40 3ds game isn't the cost of the media, it's the cost of the game. AAA 360 titles cost in the tens of millions to produce while the majority of 3ds titles come nowhere near that. They are literally on par with major motion picture studio movie budgets. So you can't look at a DVD versus a cart and say "ZOMG DVD MUST BE MOAR EXPENSIVE CUZ THE GAME IS TWENTY DOLLHAIRS MORE!" because you are forgetting about the 10 million dollar game that happens to be included with that 5 cent DVD.

Nintendo doesn't lose money on carts because they routinely put the game on the smallest cart possible. Most games are on 2gig or less sized carts. The few games that manage to break that barrier and hit 4gig CAN BE SOLD FOR MORE MONEY. RE: Revelations was originally going to sell for $50 new because it was on a 4gig cart. Probably not a coincidence, but RE:Revelations also has a load screen for everything. Cutscenes, area transistions, etc.

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/717986/resident-evil-revelations-will-cost-50-and-heres-why/

And you're talking about 64 gig carts? Don't make me laugh. Carts are good for one thing: handhelds. No optical drive means no moving parts which means a device that will get better battery life and is more resistant to shock.

I have a lot more history in this topic if you're interested (my n64 CD-ROM drive, my Neo Geo system, etc).

-Byshop

say what you want. in my experience with games which i have a good 12 years worth, and for being alive less years than all you i have probably beaten more games than you when you were my age, so i say carts are better but thats my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

give me a disc that doesnt have load time or doesnt get messed up from scratches and i'll make an exception with my opinion

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"][QUOTE="Sphensen"] they quit using them because of all the lawsuits, people kept getting light headed and falling downEmerald_Warrior

I'm pretty sure he wasn't serious.

say what you want. in my experience with games which i have a good 12 years worth, and for being alive less years than all you i have probably beaten more games than you when you were my age, so i say carts are better but thats my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

give me a disc that doesnt have load time or doesnt get messed up from scratches and i'll make an exception with my opinion

conkertheking1

I like how you just assume that you know more than everyone in here and have beaten more games (which, by the way, has what to do with this conversation?) than everyone in here. It's easy to assume things when you don't bother trying to find out any facts. Even still, just because you've played some video games that doesn't make you even remotely qualified to tell people in here they are wrong. Some of us actually do this for a living you know, and have been doing it for longer than you've been alive. :lol:

You asked what happened to cartridges. We told you why they aren't in use anymore and backup up our information with facts about the current technology, but it's pretty clear that you aren't really interested in finding out why but all you care about is telling eveyrone else what you think. This is a discussion forum, and that is not discussion.

-Byshop

can you give me a disc that doesnt scratch or have load times???

also i never said i know more than everyone here, obviously i dont if there is anyone older than me here. What i did say is if you were my age i would know more than you in that instance