Welp.. Hatred just got the kiss of death (Rated AO)

Valve can do what they want with Greenlit games. If the finished product doesn't meet quality standards, or if it contains adult or 'offensive' content (like the various porn games pulled from Greenlight), they can refuse to sell the game. I mean, they obviously wouldn't be forced to sell every game that people vote on - that would be a massive recipe for disaster.

Anyway, the closest thing to a detailed policy appears to be here: http://store.steampowered.com/app/219820/

People aren't allowed to post "Porn, inappropriate or offensive content, warez or leaked content" on Greenlight.

@JustPlainLucas: "Really, the violence is no worse than other games I've played,"

I cant recall a game where the MAIN purpose of the game is to run around randomly killing innocent members of the public. Its a sick (not the good sick) game and there's no excuse for a game like this to be made. The developers should be ashamed of themselves.

Guess you never played a lot of all FPS games out there then.

Or Postal 1-2, Manhunt 1-2, GTA VC, SA, IV or V and a lot of other games.

Hatred is no worse than those games and the only reason ESRB is giving it a AO rating is because they know that will make a dent into its potential customer base. Not because the game really need a AO rating.

Funny how you remove context from a quote of mine when the part you removed was talking about context....

JustPlainLucas wrote: but it's the context that pushed the ESRB over the limit.

The ACTUAL violence in the game, him shooting and stabbing people, has been done in countless other games.

I'll give you the Postals, but the Manhunts did not have you kill innocent people; they were all trying to kill you. None of the GTAs had a main purpose of killing innocent people, either. Postal skated by with an M because of its comical and satirical tones, but Hatred has neither of those. Hatred also has more realistic violence and a far darker tone, which makes it an eerie reflection of mass murder shooting sprees. I actually agree with the AO rating.

@foxhound_fox:

Yeah I agree PC is almost 100% Digital sales for some time now. You can't even find boxes in stores anymore, just cards for Gamestop or Steam.

Of course there's violent games out there but the main problem with this game is that the gameplay is solely to mass kill innocent members of the public, and to what end? You can not compare man hunt or any gta's or any fps game to this.

This game is in bad taste.

@JustPlainLucas: the violence in this game is a lot worse than any other game because of who the violence is directed at (members of the public going about there business) the reasons behind the violence (no real reason) plus the violence is graphic and realistic.

Not sure if you're replying to me, because I'm not saying Hatred is on the same level as other games.

As I said before, the violence itself, shooting and stabbing, is no worse than other games. In fact, we've even seen rampages on the innocent public in games like Grand Theft Auto. This is AGAIN why I say the CONTEXT makes it worse. Please understand that.

...enough...man its really enough..i cant anymore...i just cant read anymore of this bullshit, i think i must dodge those retarded threads or i go on a rampage myself in reality instead of living out my anger on goddamn INNOCENT PIXELS you are trying to defend here the whole friggin time

While I play plenty of violent games myself I find this one to be repulsive and something that I will never want to play. It's all about the context where the violence in this game takes place that makes it highly inappropriate to me.

just give it a try! if once you get used to virtually put guns into women´s mouths and pull the trigger, watching their brain getting splattered on the floor while they hilariously flap with their arms in all hurry, you get used to it and dont think its that repulsive anymore

Ummm ..... no I don't think so.

oh yes i do think so, its natural for the human mind to get used to certain things and see certain evil/bad things not as evil and bad once they get used to it in certain ways

Whatever. I'm still not going to do that.

are you refusing to do it because youre a chicken or because of your moral standards ?

wtf ? being a chicken in virtual worlds ? having moral starndards in virtual games ? wtf ?

@sabretooth2066: Chicken? lol Really? I guess it's because I have moral standards then.

i was just being a little silly as usual with the chicken argument of course, but not when it comes to the human mind, as in moral standards, you know those as well can change in a person, by getting used to play certain brutal video games those moral standards also can change, just give it a try and you will see...once you get used to the brutality in HATRED its just something you laugh about rather than seeing your moral standards violated

the question is, would this (getting used to the brutality in hatred) change your whole person ??? i guess that is what youre afraid of, you think it would change your person when you play and get used to this kind of game

Please, please dodge them then.

Need I remind you the last time we were going around in a Hatred thread, I got you to admit that you wouldn't want to play a game where the sole purpose was to kill animals? Well, why don't you want to play a game like that? They're not animals, they're just INNOCENT PIXELS. It's because the thought of you wanting to kill animals is something you wouldn't want to do. It's your limit. A game where all you do is kill innocent people (I shouldn't have to clarify it's merely the depiction) is Archangel's limit. You need to respect people's limits instead of trying to sound like the little devil on a shoulder going, "Come on, try it just once!" Some people already know what they will or won't like without even trying it.

i already answered and explained to you the part with the animals and i dont plan on repeating myself over and over again, its also not the same because the people hating on hatred played other shooters before and killed thousands of virtual people, but all of the sudden hatred is so evil and bad for all kinds of hypocrite reasons....

...so i understand people´s limits but absolutely not when it comes to HATRED because games where you kill people the usual way as in every GTA is totally ok and then all of the sudden a game where your main goal is to kill people obviously not being terrorists, military, bad guys, etc. is so evil and bad because those people are....."innocent"

the whole time you hypocrites storm the hatred threads with your same hilariously dull opinions about the "innocence" of the pixel-people you murder and kill in hatred

how do you hypocrites even play GTA ??? i expect you having to repeat every mission a dozens of times because youre more busy dodging those poor innocent civilians instead of just running them over and getting away from the police

This was exactly my problem with this game. Its not the violence itself, its the context. I'd say the AO rating was well-deserved. Hopefully this game will fade into gaming history without making much of an impact. Its best for the industry as a whole.

I'm not going to continually play something that disgusts so that I get desensitized to it enough to it so that it no longer disgusts me. What would be the point of that? I can play GTA games and not be a hypocrite because of the difference in the context in which the violence. People have different limitations in what they find acceptable and this game passes my line that I deem to be acceptable.

you hypocrites should rather worry about REAL problems these days, you know..regarding the REAL life of people and not some friggin pixel-lifes in a goddamn game, do you really think it matters to the world out there if this game has a success or not ? do you think its bad for the industry if such a game has a success ??

seriously who fuckin cares ? gamers who like it will play it and if you dont like it just dont play it, whats with all you hypocrites wishing the game not to succeed ? i dont get it, what is it your problem if the game succeeds or not ?

i dont get you people, lets pretend this game will be a total success....will this cause you sleepless nights then or what ? are you scared of more real-life-rampages then or what exactly is your major problem with a possible success of this game ?

Oh give it a fucking rest with that word "hypocrite" dude! That's all you've been saying today! Quit posting in these threads, man! You're too damn worked up about this. Log off your computer and take a break, and when you come back, quit posting in these threads like you said you were going to!

hypocrite

you seem to be the one being a little too damn worked up about me and my current favorite word #1 "hypocrite", which comes right after calling others "completely deranged" or talking about the "shitloads" of useless posts you make

sorry, but this is the only place where i can make use of all those kewl english words, people dont talk english where i live you know, but heres a brilliant idea....just ignore and dont read my posts if its too much for your nerves

Take your own advice.

hypocrite

i dont need any advice because i am not the one having a mental breakdown over a single tiny word here

@JustPlainLucas: "As I said before, the violence itself, shooting and stabbing, is no worse than other games. In fact, we've even seen rampages on the innocent public in games like Grand Theft Auto. This is AGAIN why I say the CONTEXT makes it worse. Please understand that."

I hear ya I just feel the violence in this game is more realisticly and more graphically animated than gta, add to that the context of the violence.......

Nah you would rather have a mental breakdown because of peoples views on a game, a game where the extreme violence is pointless.

I'm not surprised at all by this. It was a given as soon as it was announced.

As I have explained before, I want it to fail because the game is bad for the industry. I know where this is going to go if it is successful and, trust me, you don't want it going there. Gaming as a whole could pay a heavy price.

Utter complete nonsense. Sorry Hailtothequeen but not even in America would this game be bad for anything by being released. In fact not releasing it and "censoring" it will have a much more dark impact on gaming and not to mention free speech because it will show us in the west as utter hypocrites who gladly draw religious symbols but turn around and not only jail people for using the right to speak freely, but also ban things who are no worse than what is shown at 6´o'clock news. Because "we" feel offended by its content.

Particular when the game is not bad for the industry and has no worse violence than tons of other released games, Postal, GTA, Call of Duty, Payday, etc.

@Jacanuk: "Particular when the game is not bad for the industry and has no worse violence than tons of other released games, Postal, GTA, Call of Duty, Payday, etc."

The violence in this game is nothing like those games you mentioned, in those games you mentioned there is a point to the violence, the violence is necessary to complete objectives, a necessary evil so to speak, granted in gta you can just go around shooting people just because your bored but thats not the sole purpose of the game. Hatred is much more detailed and graphic than gta in its kill animations and there's no real reason for the mass slaughtering other than a guys hatred for society.

With all the violence and death and unrest happening all over the world we can do without a game like this.

Am I the one that finds the majority of the violence shown in the trailer to be so over the top and explicit as to be comical? Yea it's shocking, but it also is hilarious. I couldn't help but crack up watching it. Whereas much less violence in RL sickens me far more.

It would be interesting how physical and online sale will be affected by an AO game.

@MirkoS77: "Am I the one that finds the majority of the violence shown in the trailer to be so over the top and explicit as to be comical? Yea it's shocking, but it also is hilarious. I couldn't help but crack up watching it. Whereas much less violence in RL sickens me far more."

You got problems.

Certainly far bigger than videogame violence, yes.

I'd say he has a firm grip on reality if real life violence sickens him. Now, if he watched, say, the Paris shooting while it happened and laughed his head off, then yes, he has problems.

@JustPlainLucas: dude relax! I was joking.

@MirkoS77: hey bro i was just joking so no need for your little superiority complex. This is a games discussions forum right? We are discussing a controversial game, people a gonna love it or hate it and its going to spark alot of debate for or against get over it :P

@ariabed: No superiority complex here. Just saying how I feel.

Have you even played Postal? or GTA?

There is absolute no point to any of the violence in those games, particular not in Postal here you can slap a old granny silly and take a leak on her face, not to mention that you can take a cat place it on a shotgun and use it as a silencer.

In GTA you can stab random people, run over random people, no point to any of that.

I dont know why Hatred is getting so much hate, because all people do is show just how hypocritical they are and honestly the arguments "Dooooooooh the violence in the other games are different" is just pathetic because its clearly exactly the same.

And the last argument could be said about any game with violence

No kidding; if anything, sales will be larger. The developer was very wise to cause this uproar. Brilliant marketing strategy.

As an adult and as someone who will probably play this, I would appreciate if this and other titles which are AO rated are published on Steam, but that they tighten up how they monitor and display appropriate titles by age group.

Who actually wants to play this? It's in terrible taste

@Jacanuk: You dont understand where i'm coming from, maybe i'm not explaining myself properly.

This game is basically a mass killing simulator thats ALL it is.

I know its only a game but it just doesn't sit right with me.