How Zelda would look like on a true next gen console if the Wii never existed?

I don't know if you guys seen this yet, but some guy made these images on the PC with Garry's mod. It's pretty awesome stuff and it makes you wonder what kind of Zelda game we'd be playing today if the Wii never existed!

http://kotaku.com/5458568/the-2010-zelda-of-your-dreams/gallery/

*Sigh* I wonder when Nintendo will come out with Wii2, upgrade their hardware, so we can play a Zelda game like this someday. :(

Some of those pics really look cool, but the atmosphere and areas feel more like oblivion than anything from zelda, and thats not where i would want it to go.

If the Wii didn't exist we would have never gotten another console Zelda game. That kinda ends the discussion right there. The what-ifs are fun and all, but it doesn't really change the reality of Nintendo's direction.

Some of those pics really look cool, but the atmosphere and areas feel more like oblivion than anything from zelda, and thats not where i would want it to go.

Gohansephiroth

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Some of those pics really look cool, but the atmosphere and areas feel more like oblivion than anything from zelda, and thats not where i would want it to go.

ASK_Story

oh i know that, i saw them on kotaku. But im not talking about the HD, im talking about how the areas in the fake world look where link is shown in those pictures, other than looking good they dont mesh well or feel like a good representation of zelda IMO, its a cool HD mockup though.

Judging by those screens, a higher definition Twilight Princess with a bad art direction? :P

Wasn't that Darksiders? ;)

*Sigh* I wonder when Nintendo will come out with Wii2, upgrade their hardware, so we can play a Zelda game like this someday. :(

ASK_Story

Heres some bad news for you.... Gamestop had a article earlier this month were it said that Nintendo dismissed rumors of planning on coming out with a new console anytime soon. In light of their surge in holiday sales, and other reasons that escape me at the moment, the Pres. of Nintendo made he it clear he had no intentions of coming out with a new console for a while now.

...and rabid Wii fans say graphics don't mean anything. :lol:

I would love to see a fan-made Ocarina of Time remake for the PC in one of the modern engines. That, and I would love to see Nintendo release an HD capable console and make a game that looks like that.

Thoe do look quite nice, but yeah, many of the enviroments shown aren't really Zelda-ish. Now if we had those visuals with Zelda-ish enviroments, then that'd be something. ;)

Zelda has it's own personal charm, and those pictures are ruining it. The graphics do look great, but still...

'How Zelda would look like on a true next gen console if the Wii never existed?'

-i see you're up to your semi-trolling habits again, 'ASK_STORY'...

where are the mods when it's necessary?

just_nonplussed

yeah those screenshots are cool but they don't give me the "Zelda" Feel.

Oh yeah...[sarcasm] I just LOVE it when people hate on the Wii! It makes them SO MATURE [/sarcasm]

looks pretty good, i miss playing the Zelda games, but im not going to buy a wii to play zelda, if zelda would ever come out on PS3 i would definatly buy it, but that will never happen so oh well

Is it just me or does Zelda look kind of masculine? I hope next-gen Zelda doesn't pull a Super Mario Bros. where you beat the game to save the princess, and she turns out looking not so much like a princess. Peach for example...

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'How Zelda would look like on a true next gen console if the Wii never existed?'

-i see you're up to your semi-trolling habits again, 'ASK_STORY'...

where are the mods when it's necessary?

ASK_Story

fair enough. but i think the screens look kind of lame. i wouldn't want to play that. it basically looks like twilight princess, and that was an average zelda experience. it's too detailed. zelda isn't about tiny little real details. it's about the bigger picture. 'true' zelda fans would know this.

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'How Zelda would look like on a true next gen console if the Wii never existed?'

-i see you're up to your semi-trolling habits again, 'ASK_STORY'...

where are the mods when it's necessary?

just_nonplussed

fair enough. but i think the screens look kind of lame. i wouldn't want to play that. it basically looks like twilight princess, and that was an average zelda experience. it's too detailed. zelda isn't about tiny little real details. it's about the bigger picture. 'true' zelda fans would know this.

Semi-trolling? Don't think so. Look at my sig and my now-playing list? Obviously I love the Wii. And I'm a huge Zelda fan, but even I desire to play a true next-gen Zelda game. These pictures may not capture Nintendo's magic and imagination but they do provide that "what if" or "damn, I wish" tease that eats away at every Zelda fans' hearts of how or what a HD Zelda would look like if it was on a system that's powerful as a 360/PS3. It's just something to think about. No hurt, trolling, or negativity intended.ASK_Story

Eh it's fair enough to say "What could Zelda look like in HD?", but when you use the word "true next gen console" you're definitely goading people into a defense of the Wii, whether or not you intend to do so.

I'm going to ask you to tone that kind of language down a bit. If you had said "on an HD console" insted, this wouldn't have been an issue. It is possible to have a discussion like this without turning it into a console fight.

For that matter just_nonplussed, "true Zelda fan" isn't a good choice of words either. Zelda fans cover the spectrum, just like any other group of series fans out there. There's no pidgeon-holing them.

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[QUOTE="ASK_Story"] Semi-trolling? Don't think so. Look at my sig and my now-playing list? Obviously I love the Wii. And I'm a huge Zelda fan, but even I desire to play a true next-gen Zelda game. These pictures may not capture Nintendo's magic and imagination but they do provide that "what if" or "damn, I wish" tease that eats away at every Zelda fans' hearts of how or what a HD Zelda would look like if it was on a system that's powerful as a 360/PS3. It's just something to think about. No hurt, trolling, or negativity intended.ASK_Story

fair enough. but i think the screens look kind of lame. i wouldn't want to play that. it basically looks like twilight princess, and that was an average zelda experience. it's too detailed. zelda isn't about tiny little real details. it's about the bigger picture. 'true' zelda fans would know this.

whatever. it's not really a matter of "more power = better gamez!" though. not necessarily.

Well, it'd take forever to develop, but they could make it look incredible. The Wii has about 80% of the Xbox 360's power, and if the 360 has shown me anything, it's that 80% is still incredible.

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]Semi-trolling? Don't think so. Look at my sig and my now-playing list? Obviously I love the Wii. And I'm a huge Zelda fan, but even I desire to play a true next-gen Zelda game. These pictures may not capture Nintendo's magic and imagination but they do provide that "what if" or "damn, I wish" tease that eats away at every Zelda fans' hearts of how or what a HD Zelda would look like if it was on a system that's powerful as a 360/PS3. It's just something to think about. No hurt, trolling, or negativity intended.m0zart

Eh it's fair enough to say "What could Zelda look like in HD?", but when you use the word "true next gen console" you're definitely goading people into a defense of the Wii, whether or not you intend to do so.

I'm going to ask you to tone that kind of language down a bit. If you had said "on an HD console" insted, this wouldn't have been an issue. It is possible to have a discussion like this without turning it into a console fight.

For that matter just_nonplussed, "true Zelda fan" isn't a good choice of words either. Zelda fans cover the spectrum, just like any other group of series fans out there. There's no pidgeon-holing them.

yeah i guess. i knew that word was divisive before posting, but it's true that zelda has never been about immense graphical detail. compare FFVI to LttP and you'll see what i mean. square hired a lot more artists to create an intricate baroque style, while nintendo focused on creating solid, functional worlds (still pretty though).

final fantasy is like an art project with a game tagged on. while zelda is a more like a world built around a game concept. more superfluous detail cuts into actual gameplay.

Thoe do look quite nice, but yeah, many of the enviroments shown aren't really Zelda-ish. Now if we had those visuals with Zelda-ish enviroments, then that'd be something. ;)

DJ-Lafleur

Really i don't see anything that impresses me. It can look prettier but if this is the direction they head into...
I think i could do a whole lot better with the Zelda series than something like this.
The more i am reading peoples ideas and opinions, and definitely the more games i play that just don't do what i would have done, the more i feel like i should get myself some skills and into a development team lol.
(Btw i suck at studying so that will never happen, don't worry.)

Interesting. Though some of those don't seem far outside of the Wii's capabilities..

Also even if the Wii didn't exist, that doesn't mean Nintendo would have developed for other consoles. More likely they would have shifted their resources to the handheld market.

Blood in a Zelda game! That's a good one! :lol:

Judging by those screens, a higher definition Twilight Princess with a bad art direction? :P

_BlueDuck_

What do you mean "true" next gen console? Graphics capability? Graphics don't matter. Period. They're nice to have, but they seriously don't matter squat in comparison to gameplay. If anything, Wii is the only true next gen console due to its incredibly innovative concept, but that's not what I think. All of the consoles now are next gen. There's no place for "true" in that discussion.

I wouldn't play it. Zelda is not supposed to be hyper realistic or "mature". Just because thats what the average gamer who grew up in the PS2 era wants doesn't mean thats what it should be for Zelda.

What do you mean "true" next gen console? Graphics capability? Graphics don't matter. Period. They're nice to have, but they seriously don't matter squat in comparison to gameplay. If anything, Wii is the only true next gen console due to its incredibly innovative concept, but that's not what I think. All of the consoles now are next gen. There's no place for "true" in that discussion.

calvinsora

Videogames are a visual medium so claiming that graphics don't matter is a nonsensical statement. At the very least, improved graphics are to gaming what color and sound was to the motion picture; a means to expand the possibilities of the medium and give creators and developers a broader selection of tools. There is a reason why this industry has always been propelled by graphical advancement and that reason is quite simply that visual fidelity matters quite a bit.

Of course, when we talk about graphics, we are talking about an entire spectrum of advancements that fall under that umbrella, including physics, rendering capabilities, 3D tech, etc. These things are merely tools but in the right hands these tools can create worlds and only through technological advancement can said worlds be fully realized. When I play something like GTAIV or Dead Rising, what I'm experiencing could not have been achieved on earlier hardware.

The problem with the Wii is that while the motion controls were certainly innovative, that concept has been anchored to hardware only a few notches above a PS2 and it really has hampered the Wii's potential considerably. I agree that the Wii is a true next gen console(obviously because it is part of the next generation) but I am consistently disappointed with how most of the games actually look and play.

Hell, I think I would have been satisfied if the Wii could have matched the XB1 graphically.

Zelda has been known for its artistic prowess since the move to 3D, and Ocarina of Time was one of the most visually stunning games of its time, so you can't say it has never been about graphics. Now, disregarding the pictures that were posted, would you really not want to see what Nintendo's talented team of artists could do with a higher resolution? Sure graphics aren't everything, but if you can have your cake and eat it too, why wouldn't you?

It's not bad-looking, but Nintendo would surely do a much better job with the artwork if they were doing it themselves. A lot of things in those screenshots look pretty generic.

oh, you still didn't change the title..... 'true' should be removed.

It's not bad-looking, but Nintendo would surely do a much better job with the artwork if they were doing it themselves. A lot of things in those screenshots look pretty generic.Teufelhuhn

Zelda has been known for its artistic prowess since the move to 3D, and Ocarina of Time was one of the most visually stunning games of its time, so you can't say it has never been about graphics. Now, disregarding the pictures that were posted, would you really not want to see what Nintendo's talented team of artists could do with a higher resolution? Sure graphics aren't everything, but if you can have your cake and eat it too, why wouldn't you?

djsundowner

If you could I suppose. But in real life there is always a tradeoff. For the PS3 and 360 it's been the skyrocketing costs of game development.

Nice pics man I hate nintendo they should give up but somehow there the best selling console for the last 5 months straight I think once they run outta the money there spending on buying those consoles to get the score up theyl quit.

Nice pics man I hate nintendo they should give up but somehow there the best selling console for the last 5 months straight I think once they run outta the money there spending on buying those consoles to get the score up theyl quit.

_CaptainHappy_

From what can comprehend, you think that they've been buying their own consoles to inflate the sales figures?

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Zelda has been known for its artistic prowess since the move to 3D, and Ocarina of Time was one of the most visually stunning games of its time, so you can't say it has never been about graphics. Now, disregarding the pictures that were posted, would you really not want to see what Nintendo's talented team of artists could do with a higher resolution? Sure graphics aren't everything, but if you can have your cake and eat it too, why wouldn't you?

ThePlothole

If you could I suppose. But in real life there is always a tradeoff. For the PS3 and 360 it's been the skyrocketing costs of game development.

Hmm... I think Nintendo may have a few extra bucks laying around...

Hmm... I think Nintendo may have a few extra bucks laying around...

djsundowner

So do other publishers. But they're still making compromises this gen. Taking fewer risks.

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Hmm... I think Nintendo may have a few extra bucks laying around...

ThePlothole

So do other publishers. But they're still making compromises this gen. Taking fewer risks.

They're taking a lot more risks than Nintendo. Nintendo has done a lot for casual gaming this gen, but in terms of core games, they've clung to franchises more feverishly than the vast majority of the X360/PS3 game publishers.

SD development is cheaper than HD development, but unless that cheapness translates into bolder. more imaginative games, why should non-stockholding core gamers care?

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="djsundowner"]

Hmm... I think Nintendo may have a few extra bucks laying around...

CarnageHeart

So do other publishers. But they're still making compromises this gen. Taking fewer risks.

They're taking a lot more risks than Nintendo. Nintendo has done a lot for casual gaming this gen, but in terms of core games, they've clung to franchises more feverishly than the vast majority of the X360/PS3 game publishers.

SD development is cheaper than HD development, but unless that cheapness translates into bolder. more imaginative games, why should non-stockholding core gamers care?

That's part of why I worry... as conservative as they are now, I fear things could get even worse.

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fair enough. but i think the screens look kind of lame. i wouldn't want to play that. it basically looks like twilight princess, and that was an average zelda experience. it's too detailed. zelda isn't about tiny little real details. it's about the bigger picture. 'true' zelda fans would know this.

just_nonplussed

whatever. it's not really a matter of "more power = better gamez!" though. not necessarily.

A vast improvement in graphics can help bring Zelda's world really spring to life, and that sense of immersion could come a lot more easily.

I love Zelda's world, art direction, and various tones it's done over the years (Wind Waker is my favorite, though), but seeing Twilight Princess in HD would have made it all the better.

I'd love to see a Zelda game with the graphics of GoWIII or Killzone 2, yet I don't see that happening. At least not anytime soon.

I imagine Zelda would look really good in 1080p.

All Nintendo need to do is get the story line and art direction sorted, release the next console, wait for Assassins Creed 3 and steal the engine and we may have the best game of all time on our hands.