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Spot On: System Wars 2008

GameSpot asks industry illuminati to predict whether the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, or Wii will emerge as the holiday victor, and which will go on to be the ultimate winner in this generation of the console race.

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The latest next-gen console battle is well under way. The Xbox 360 was the first to launch on November 22, 2005, in the US, followed by the PlayStation 3 on November 17, 2006, and the Wii on November 19, 2006. However, in Europe, things were turned a little on their head, with the Xbox 360 launching on December 2, 2005, followed by the Wii on December 8, 2006, and the fashionably late PlayStation 3 on March 23, 2007.

The previous console cycle saw the PlayStation 2 scoring a decisive win. Since it debuted in 2000, the machine has gone on to sell more than 120 million units worldwide and is the best-selling console in history so far. After overtaking Sega's ill-fated Dreamcast, which launched in 1999, it went on to fend off new rivals such as the Nintendo GameCube and the original Xbox, which both went on sale in 2001.

Part of the PS2's success was Sony's scoring of must-have console exclusives on the format--including Gran Turismo 3, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, the Kingdom Hearts series, and Final Fantasy X. Indeed, many people bought the console just to play Grand Theft Auto III and its two successors, Vice City and San Andreas, which all debuted on the PS2 before being eventually ported to the Xbox and PC.

In today's market, though, high-profile exclusives are fewer and farther between. Many developers are choosing to go multiplatform to recoup the rapidly increasing costs of producing games for the so-called "HD Era." These include traditionally PlayStation-focused Japanese publishers such as Capcom and Koei, which both have announced a strategy going forward to make all titles multiplatform.

What does the industry think? Which console has the best lineup of games this Christmas? Which is most likely to entice consumers to part with their readies? Will there be a console to rule them all?

THE PRICE IS RIGHT...AND THE GAMES

The Wii is the cheapest of the three systems at £179 ($250 in the US)--but its scarcity has led to massive markups on eBay. The PS3 and the 360 have both recently had price cuts, with the new 40GB PS3 costing £300 ($400) and the premium 360 costing £250 ($350). If you want top end, you can get the 360 Elite for £300 ($450) or pick up an 80GB PS3 in the US for $499 or a 60GB while they last in the UK at £349.

The Xbox 360, which has been out the longest, has probably the strongest 2007 holiday lineup, a fact that is somewhat to be expected. The library for the 360 is the biggest and currently adds up to well over 300 games. On the exclusive tip, the hugely successful first-person shooter Halo 3 generated more than $170 million in its first day on sale in the US and sold more than 5 million units worldwide by the end of November. The 360 also exclusively has the newly released sci-fi role-playing game Mass Effect, which has sold more than 1 million copies since its late November release, and the flight sim Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation, which boosted 360 sales in Japan.

Following on into 2008 and beyond, exclusives coming up for the 360 include Lionhead's Fable 2, the psychological thriller Alan Wake, the real-time strategy Halo Wars, and Silicon Knights' sci-fi action adventure Too Human, which is due out at the beginning of the year.

The PS3 has the fewest games out at the moment, with around 160 titles currently on the market. Recent games, such as Heavenly Sword, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, and Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction, have made a stir and have been joined by the recently released SingStar, which gives gamers access to the SingStore to buy new tunes. In North America, the just-released Unreal Tournament III will be exclusive to the console until next year (alongside its PC release). However, the console's biggest exclusives are arriving next year, and they include Ubisoft's first-person shooter Haze and the long-awaited swan song of Konami's popular Metal Gear series, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

The Wii has just under 250 titles currently out, including the critically praised bestsellers Super Mario Galaxy, RPG Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, and WarioWare: Smooth Moves. Hot exclusives coming up include Suda 51's weird world of No More Heroes, Mario Kart Wii, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams. However, two of the oldest games for the system--Wii Sports and Wii Play--remain among the top titles for the game, since they come bundled with the console and extra controller (respectively).

THE MAKERS SPEAK

Sony has had its fair share of bad publicity, which Sir Howard Stringer has called "unkind," surrounding the PS3. But according to upper management, those teething problems are now behind it. Stringer commented that the PS3 was "making a comeback already" and that production issues had been solved, adding, "We believe PS3, going forward, will be vital to our future and will succeed." The company also touts the PS3's powerful Cell processor as a plus to the system, along with the ability of the console to play Blu-ray movies at a price cheaper than most actual Blu-ray players.

Sony Computer Entertainment New Zealand's head of marketing, Warwick Light, said that in comparison, the Wii was not actually a next-gen system. He said, "Look at the tangible differences between processing power and scope for scalability between the PS3 and the Xbox 360. It is clear that the PS3 is designed to last until the next generation... DVD is current generation. Why would you support current generation?"

Microsoft has argued that Xbox Live and Xbox Live Marketplace are two of the biggest reasons to go with its console instead of one of its rivals. Xbox Live Video Marketplace recently launched in the UK, Ireland, Canada, France, and Germany and is already going strong in the US, where a wide variety of TV shows and movies are available for download.

Last but not least, Nintendo claims that it is not involved in the console war at all, but is merely doing its own thing and going its own way. David Yarnton, Nintendo UK's general manager, said, "We are not fighting our competitors, we are fighting apathy... Instead of trying to improve technology for its own sake, we decided to focus on those who weren't even playing games, who weren't on the radar."

Yarnton thinks that the Wii is "inclusive, not exclusive" and that it will drive sales outside of the usual "teenage boys." However, one thing that may hinder Nintendo's home run this Christmas is that even if everyone wants one, no one can seem to find one on the shelves.

ANALYSE ME

So how are game-industry analysts handicapping the ongoing console war? Michael Pachter of Wedbush Morgan Securities believes that the PS3 is going to come out ahead in this cycle--eventually. He explains, "I believe that the Blu-ray functionality built into the PS3 has greater value to a wider number of consumers than does Xbox Live or the fun factor of the Wiimote... Had all three launched at the same time and price, I think the PS3 would have been ahead from the beginning."

However, Pachter puts his odds on the Wii winning this holiday season, simply because of the price. He told GameSpot, "Wii will win this Christmas, because of price. Xbox 360 will finish second, and PS3 a not-so-distant third, again because of the price."

Colin Sebastian of Lazard Capital Markets agrees that the Wii is likely to have the merriest Christmas. He said, "For this holiday, the Wii clearly has a lot of momentum." He stated that the console will end up on more lists to Santa because of its cheaper price and strong marketing and because it reaches a broader market than "traditional" consoles like the 360 and PS3. He continued, "Clearly, many consumers are showing that they place a higher value on accessible and straight-forward gameplay and less on high-definition graphics and leading-edge processing power."

However, Sebastian doesn't believe that the race is predictable beyond the immediate future, and he thinks that at this stage any of the three consoles could still end up on top. He said, "It's very early in the cycle, so calling a winner in the console battle may be somewhat premature... Looking ahead to the remaining years of the cycle, we could see a more distinct segmentation of the video game console market. That is, Nintendo selling into a larger market of casual gamers, while Sony and Microsoft battle it out over the traditional core gamers. In terms of market share, I think it's safe to say we will see an even playing field versus the domination of Sony the last time round."

DEVELOPING

All three consoles have their fans and detractors within the industry. The platform that seems to have gathered the most opinions on both sides is Nintendo's Wii, which has been at the front of the firing line due to its runaway success. Electronic Arts was one of the first companies to come out and say that it regretted not supporting the format more heavily from the start.

John Riccitiello, EA CEO, commented, "[This transition has been] harder because of the complexity, and much harder because, unfortunately, we bet a little bit on the wrong horse in focusing so much on the PS3 and Xbox 360, and to a lesser degree on the Wii. And let me assure you that almost all of us in the industry made the same judgment. So after so many transitions of guessing exactly right, we got this one a little bit wrong, and we're dealing with that now with strong investments on the Wii."

Square Enix president and CEO Yoichi Wada has gone on the record about his own opinion of the Wii. He believes the console has changed the gaming environment completely and called consoles such as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 "overengineered" and "too complex." He said, "There are too many specs--and you also need a high-definition TV, a broadband connection, and a deep knowledge of gaming. These consoles are mismatched to today's environment. In a year or two years, they will fare better."

However, not everyone has been so kind about Nintendo's little console. Sega's US vice president, Scott Steinberg, said that he was "concerned about the depth of the Wii pool." The Sega executive expressed concerns that developers would run out of ideas and that the console might be just a fad. He said, "How much value can developers and creative folks get out of this wrist motion two years from now, or five years from now, or 10 years from now? The Wii will start to look really dated in a couple of years when developers get more value from the 360 and learn more about the PlayStation 3." However, Steinberg later "clarified" his statement by saying, "I'm not just putting the responsibility of innovation on Nintendo. It's on Sega and all the publishers and developers as well to carry that flag."

Possibly the most famous Wii skeptic is Developer 9 founder Chris Hecker, who gave his controversial opinion at this year's Game Developers Conference. He told the stunned audience, "Everyone loves the Wii. 'Oh, God, the Wii, we love the Wii so much...' The Wii is a piece of ****. Nintendo have uncovered the secret to Wii manufacturing. The way you manufacture a Wii is you take two GameCubes and some duct tape." He then continued on his tirade to accuse Nintendo of not caring about games as an art form and praised Sony and Microsoft for taking them seriously.

However, Hecker later issued a statement retracting his comments, saying, "I do not think the Wii is ****." Hmmm...

Gary Chambers, creative director at Introversion, told GameSpot his personal favourite is the Wii, because, "You can say the controller is just a gimmick or whatever, but I think it adds a lot to the console, and games like Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess and Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition are just fantastic. I can't imagine playing them on any other system. I'd love to develop a game for the Wii. I think there is incredible potential for some very unique games, even if it hasn't completely been realised by the industry yet."

However, the developer admitted that although he personally liked the Wii, the PS3 was, in his opinion, likely to ultimately win the war. He said, "The PS3 will win this generation, just as the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 did before it. The Wii is doing incredibly well all over the world, and the 360 got off to a great head start, but ultimately I think the vanity of the modern gamer is going to win out and the PS3 is going to be the console providing the best visuals. As soon as the price drops to a range which the average person can afford, I think we'll see PS3 sales skyrocket right past the competition."

David Jaffe, cofounder of Eat Sleep Play and creator of Sony's God of War series, is also cautious on the Wii, believing that although it is currently the console du jour, things could shift in favour of another very fast. He told GameSpot, "It's easy to say today who the winner is, and that would be Nintendo hands down. But you're starting to notice the winds are blowing in other directions these days. Whether these winds will be strong enough to shift the leadership position in the marketplace is hard to say."

Famed game designer American McGee is more secure in his opinion. He casts his vote decisively for the Wii and told GameSpot in an interview, "From the beginning of this most recent (re)cycle, I've had my money on the Wii. In my opinion, Sony and Microsoft didn't do anything truly innovative this last time around--just your standard hardware upgrade. The success they've seen with online downloadable content was, by their own admission, an unexpected fluke. But Nintendo made a distinct statement about what constitutes a games console, game controller, and play experience. In a sense they removed themselves from 'the war' and created their own playfield." As to second place, he thinks that will go to the 360. He said, "This is mostly because I think Microsoft established a strong early lead with sales and content, and Blu-ray will ultimately fail as a standard."

ALL HAVE A PLACE

A fair few people chose to sit on the fence and show love to everyone. Miles Jacobson, managing director of Sports Interactive, told GameSpot, "I think all three machines are really good, and all of them are going to have exclusive titles on them that you'll want to play... I'm very fortunate in that I've got all three consoles at home, and they all get played. The Wii tends to get played when friends who are nongamers come round, the 360 tends to get played by me, and the PS3 tends to get played by my mates who are gamers because they haven't got one yet... The real winner in the console war is the consumer--how cheesy is that? Well, as long as they can afford to get all three, I suppose."

Jonathan Smith, development director at TT Games, has much the same opinion. He told GameSpot, "The 'console war' is over, and the winner is gamers, who now have more choice than ever."

Turbine Games executive producer Jeffrey Steefel agreed, saying, "What's interesting with the consoles right now is that they're so different. In the past, the console wars have been perceived as just nine versions of the same thing. But they really are this time, completely different, and I think each one draws a different crowd... So now you've got stratification of the consoles, which I think is great for the consumer. It's never existed before."

Ed Daly, studio head at Zoe Mode, also prefers a diplomatic approach. He said, "I hope that across different territories and with different audiences, all three can compete healthily, which is good for consumers and good for developers... At Zoe Mode, we've worked with Sony on Sony platforms, and I've never bought into some of the negativity around PS3. With the likes of Home still to come, I feel the ambition and vision of PS3 could exceed a lot of current expectations." But for Nintendo, "The hard question is whether Nintendo's strategy and Wii software sales can continue to succeed over the lifetime of this generation. Personally, I hope it does."

'THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE'

Some developers think that the current system war will end in a stalemate, with no single format being named a clear winner, contrary to previous hardware cycles.

Denis Dyack, president of Silicon Knights, put the idea forward during his talk at this year's Leipzig Games Convention Developers Conference. Dyack explained to the audience that he believed it to be inevitable that there would eventually be a generic "video game machine," much the same way as there currently are DVD players.

Dyack called the process commodification, and he believes "all technology, under any circumstance, becomes commodified." He explained that there was no clear winner in this generation's system war and that this was leading to problems for developers. He said, "Nintendo has come out of the gate much faster than everyone anticipated, but how about longevity? The 360 is doing well in America, but not so well in Japan. The PS3 is off to a really slow start but they have a good brand name, so the truth is, no one knows... And trying to make a game on all three systems is very challenging, and I don't know many, if any, people that are doing that right now."

After his keynote address, several other members of the gaming industry admitted that they, too, would sleep easier at night if there were just the one console to contend with. Electronic Arts' head of international publishing, Gerhard Florin, also advocates a single, open platform and commented, "We want an open, standard platform which is much easier than having five which are not compatible." However, Florin thinks this is a ways off, giving the timeline as up to 15 years.

Katamari Damacy director Keita Takahashi also agrees, and he told GameSpot, "I want to see only one major console being retailed on the market, and everyone actually making games for just one console, and bring the price of that console down from what the three currently cost right now."

JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS

2008 looks set to be a huge year in gaming, with a wider range of choice open to consumers than ever before. Video gaming is no longer a niche industry, and its sales are making a noticeable impact on economies all over the world.

It remains to be seen which console will come out on top, or if different consoles will trump different regions, or whether all three will manage to somehow peacefully coexist. Perhaps, even, as Denis Dyack predicts, one day soon the term "system wars" will be irrelevant as a generic "video game machine" comes to market, and developers will have to worry about developing for only one platform, ensuring that everyone with that platform has access to every game.

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have all systems

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I have all three systems. I got tired of walking into stores and not being able to buy certain games because I did not have a system. I like most of you on gamespot are true gamers, if it is good I want it I don't care what system it is on. With that being said Sony shot themselves in the foot taking the PS2 compatibility out of the 40 gig system. The 80 is a little better but there are some problems with the PS2 game emulations. All the companies are doing some things right and some wrong: Microsoft not having an HD drive in their system, had they done that the install base for HD would be higher. Sony removing backwards compatiblilty with PS2 games (we will have to wait to see how Home fairs), the limited amounts of Wiis available. Whatever happens 2007 was a great year for the true winners, we the gamers! Happy Holidays gamers!

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Honestly, I have no clue who will win the "console wars" in 2008. IMO, it all depends what system the popular games are on.

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The idea of one generic gaming platform sounds great, but I doubt it will ever happen. (Nintendo Pwns)

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Wii all the way

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Ah, One Platform. Now that's how to get her done...

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i completely agree with the "one console for everyone" vision. while it sounds like communism it would bring all the best IP's to a single platform so everyone could play and enjoy them- imagine halo, gears of war, metal gear solid, final fantasy, zelda and mario all on a single console. on the other hand a little competiton such as the console wars raises the bar for hardware, technology, online services and games which in turn means more gaming goodness for people. here is my perfect vision: the evil M$ goes bankrupt so the ps3 gets all of it's exclusive games such as.... well you know and then nintendo joins forces with the ps3 and allows them to use the wiimote as a peripheral for some games which in turn would result in motion-sensing goodness with stellar graphics. everyone is enjoying metal gear mario and they forget the horrible M$ and the disappointment that was the 360 and the dreaded RROD

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You're completely right, Champ, it doesn't matter who wins and who loses, who cares? Games were invented so people could have fun without pushing a hoop with a stick, not so we could try and kill each other over whose is better. Honestly, I have a friend who is a diehard 360 fan and he always bashes PS3, yet every time he comes over to my house we always ahve to play Warhawk. He won't admit he loves it, but he asks to play it all the time. Why can't we all just have fun playing games. I love PS3, sure, but Halo 3 was a fun game, and I'm not going to pretend to not like it just because I'm partial to PS3. Everyone who argues is profoundly retarded, or they have nothing else to do, if it's the former, I'm sorry if I offended you, if it's the latter, get a godd**n life. And yes I know some 360 fanboy will skip right over my comment and just post some ignorant flame, I guarantee it, they've done that with EVERY post that makes sense and is about not bickering. I'm not saying PS3 fanboys don't do it, jsut that 360 guys tend to overlook good arguments and start up the fighting again.

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Any1 here that doesnt care who is gonna win.Y`know ,the 1 who wrote this thing is a complete noob.We read all that and jumping in conclusion no1 wins ? Also its complety pointless ,if 1 of those system wins , we wont get any reward .Flaming each console is dumb either,all of them are good. so i found this blog pointless,dumb ,bad conclusion ( no1 wins ) and next time Emma , write something better ,u wrote all that pointlessly , half of people even didnt read a single word .And some read all that pointlessly either

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Ok, maybe it's me, but has anyone else noticed it's mainly 360 fanboys that bash everything else?

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It's going to fun to see how the Wii fares after Mario Kart Wii and Smash Bros. Brawl comes out. I'm also glad to see some backing for the Wii from new developers like EA.

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No-Go-Zone, I agree with you 90%. I think most people got a ps2 because it was inexpensive and had a huge selection of games, right now the ps3 has a big price and the selection isn't as big as its predecessor, so not many more than the hardcore gamers will step up to the plate for the first 4-5 years. But the rest of your comment i agree with.

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wwe mysterio are you on drugs...? 1. the wii is for anyone but don't expect gore and expicit. 2. Xbox is for hardcore gamers that follow the crowd. 3. PS3 has the best age range of games... and with the popularity of the ps2 many will move up to the ps3.

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I agree with some of them.i do own 360 and wii.My friends and uncles usaully play wii and mii too tough 360 is the same.seriously .Why are they fiting?(i like it though lol)Each system is for diff ages.My ideas are wii for 6-13,360 13-17 and ps3 adults

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I sended a sort of a flaming letter to Emma Boyes ( who wrote this bogus ) Saying whats the point in System Wars anyway? . (Shes a gamespot staff,I might get n Bust for that ) She hadnt replied yet , but still. Those pathetic paragraphs suck , i just read the title , thats it i hadnt even read a single word . Becaus its all pointless , SUCKS. System wars suck, Who wins , no 1 all the systems are good , ohh if she wasnt a staff i would.......

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i ve loved SCEA from the start but when the PS3 came out it had nothing except a blu ray player.. no exclusives nothing.... 360 came out with amazing games right from the start and they are still going solid thats why the 360 will win this years console wars

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The Wii wins beacause of Zack and Wiki's awesomeness [sarcasm] ... but seriously that game is hard-f******-core... like I'd take several bullets to the chest if it was required of me in order to get that game a sequel.

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Wow, Gamespot is the one games website I'd expect to fan the "console war" flames. I have a personal opinion; the Xbox 360 is living in it's final glory days. That's it. No flaming, crying, swearing, just an opinion. That's what the comments are for. They all have pros and cons, and sales are unpredictable and can change by the time you post a comment, so "current sales" isn't a good way to back things up. Sure, the 360 is a ahead of sales, it also got a year head start, remember.

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Sony is really becoming eco-satistic just because the first two PlaySations dominated the past game generations.

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xbox fanboys already chose their side when Microsoft came into the gaming industry, they might have been a Nintendo or Playstation fan before that i dunno but when the xbox original came in the market they all went and buy 1 and started bashing PS and Nintendo so screw xbox fans. and yes thats how my fanboy side started to come to light. even had an encounter with another fanboy at school. almost got into a fight becuz i said halo 2 is s@#$ as a joke lol.PS3 WILL win believe that. competition is good tho. more good game for us gamers ya?

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i just brought a wii and i dont think it will last due to system specs. i enjoy it and i love the sony brand... ive come to love the 360... not as much as the others but still :p its a start. wii might die out.. but there wont be a clear winner for a fair while.

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Personally, I like all three systems. The proof is in the pudding. So I say shut up and see what happens.

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Wow, let's see how much time I wasted reading this article to have my hopes bashed by something that never answer the question that was the basis for the entire text. FYI: Just about 4 minutes.

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Wow i see rants. Sounds like a bunch of kids arguing over lunch. PS3_Champ: ''What do they mean by "win" anyways? Whoever sold the most? 'The most longevity? When one puts it's competitors out of business completely I agree,I dont really care who is gonna win . If u like PS3 then play it ( same goes for WII and 360 ) Its kinda actaully stupid.System wars Sucks . If we vote for PS3 and it Wins are we gonna get 1000 Bucks...NO! Some people just stupid,Flaming each console just becaus want PS3/WII/360 win. They are all the same who cares about this bogus anyway ?'' That right there sums it up. Nicely said! Remember what this ; it doesn't matter what other people think, if you like it, screw everyone else and enjoy it

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"Xbox 360 has a head start and MS is really pushing it but still it is lack luster in sales" Yea...MS should be really depressed about having all those multiplatinum selling game titles over the last year. And the multiplatform titles.....360 versions have only been outselling by 3:1 margins, clearly lackluster performance. And the pace at which 360 games titles sell is embarassing....it took GeOW a whole month to hit 3 million in sales, Halo 3 took two weeks to sell about 3 million, 360 Assassins Creed took 2 weeks to sell almost 2 million. I mean come on....it only took Resistance one year to sell 2 million, clearly the PS3 has the advantage. END SARCASM Hardware sales are meaningless when even mediocre software titles for the 360 sell close to a million copies (360 Dirt sold nearly 1 million copies in its first week, and thats hardly a AAA title). ITS ABOUT THE GAMES STUPID! If PS3 software begins to sell at above 50% the rate of 360 software then I will actually believe that the PS3 has a chance to be something other than the also-ran, niche console it is today.

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first, the sales of this generation is just beginning, as many people still have not jumped into it yet and many others have decided to play WOW and other PC games instead (basic PC setup) Still, it comes to mind that we will not know the results until at lest the end of next year at the earliest. Wii is selling well as good if not better than PS2. but Xbox 360 and PS3 are not. Xbox 360 has a head start and MS is really pushing it but still it is lack luster in sales it is no where near the same number of sales of the PS2 is at the same point when PS2 was 2 years old!!!! NEITHER is PS3 for that matter!! but PS3 cost lots more, has les going for it than Xbox 360 AT THE MOMENT, and is still selling better than Xbox 360 overall given the same time frame. But still PS2s are flying off the shelf when the PS3 reaches a price point that is right for the PS2 owners I wonder which console they will move to???

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Okay, why are all these analysts saying the PS3 is going to win? I love my PS3, but the thing just isn't going to win in overall sales. :evil:

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PS3 is dead in North+South America (soon to be Australia and Europe) In asia Xbox 360 is establishing a foothold with great exclusives and ported PS3 'exclusives.' This truly makes me proud. :)

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An interesting time-passer, but not a particularly good read.

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so no one wins....???? LAME

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i cant believe i read all that ????????

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What everyone seems to be describing when they talk about a unified gaming console is essentially a PC with a closed spec with regards to hardware. Guess what folks....thats exactly the description of what an Xbox 360 is: a closed hardware spec, mid range gaming PC. Kind of makes you wonder what all the industry people are hinting at when they talk about the need for a unified gaming console. I'm not a big proponent of this idea by the way. I love the 360, but Nintendo has thrown a whole new perspective into the mix that would be completely overlooked if there were only "hardcore" gaming consoles like the 360. If the industry were able to combine the almost opposite, but highly complementary strengths of the Wii and the 360 into a unified console...I would be all for it. But unified enviornments in my opinion stifle innovation and creativity. (and yes there is a place in there for the PS3...to paraphrase Ted Knight in Caddyshack: "The world needs cheap blu ray players too son.")

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What do they mean by "win" anyways? Whoever sold the most? 'The most longevity? When one puts it's competitors out of business completely I agree,I dont really care who is gonna win . If u like PS3 then play it ( same goes for WII and 360 ) Its kinda actaully stupid.System wars Sucks . If we vote for PS3 and it Wins are we gonna get 1000 Bucks...NO! Some people just stupid,Flaming each console just becaus want PS3/WII/360 win. They are all the same who cares about this bogus anyway ?

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this is so useless they took 400 paragraphs to say "EVERYONE WINS!"

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What do they mean by "win" anyways? Whoever sold the most? 'The most longevity? When one puts it's competitors out of business completely? Seriously, this is almost a stupid debate. Personally I think MS,Sony, and Nintendo are incapable of putting each other out of business. I believe the fanbase is too spread out and all of them are going to be around for a very,very,long,long TIME. Look at the history Sony dethroned Nintendo, MS dethroned Sony, Nintendo dethroned MS..lol.. it's a vicious cycle..and they ALL ARE STILL IN THE GAMING BUSINESS. So please fellow gamers try not get too emotional over this...lol

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Just a couple comments about the "one gaming machine theory" . . . That's really interesting to me. The comparison to DVD players is apt because DVD players come in many shapes and sizes by different companies. What's the difference, well this one might be able to upscale, this one might have a writer in it, this one accepts optical audio lines, etc. So he's suggesting it would be the same for game machines.. this one is silver, this one has multiple ports, this one includes wifi, but they all play the same format of games. Do you see what he's getting at here... its something like the PC. many different shapes, sizes, and capabilities, but all (reasonably) can play Half-life...or whatever. Something as variable as a PC wouldnt work though because even now many PCs cant play the most recent games. And when games reach the pinnacle of the unified machine, a new machine will come out saying it's better and then the console war would start all over again. I do like the idea of a unified game format, but i dont think a unified console format would ever work

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@davenport_st I agree, the PS3 being expensive and lacking backward compatibility is killing Sony. I'm getting a Wii early next year. At least I can play MK:Deception and Time Splitters Future Perfect on it.

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Probably the Wii will win the holiday season with 360 close behind. PS3 cant beat either one in sales it wont do more then keep from falling behind any faster.

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I guess I don't really care all that much. I own an Xbox 360, and a PS2. When PS3 comes down in price with backwards compatibility, I'll own that, too. The reality is: when companies compete, consumers win. So, I don't care who wins. As long as they keep striving for better games for me to play.

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Generic console sounds good to me. No more lousy ports, and since everyone's buying one console, it'll be cheap as dirt! Great article. Thorough.

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For me? X360 win AGAIN... = pointless? o0

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i'm kinda sad there didn't seem to be a lot of new information here. it looks as if they just surmised and re-hashed all their past interviews with developers on the console 'war' with out giving any real new insight.

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Personally, I'll go with PS3, even though I think getting the 60Gb version off the shelves was the worst idea. Just because I couldn't afford it upon release, why will it be denied from me? I wasn't exactly planning on throwing my trusty PS2 out the window, but backwards compatability is something I really need. I never liked the original Xbox, what with that horrible pad and zero worthwhile games (possibly excluding Fable) that weren't on PS2, but it seems 360 is better. I could even contemplate on buying it, if I was some millionaire. Less than a year ago, I bought a Cube, and have been loving it ever since. It's just completely different, if you look into the Nintendo-only game range. I'm not really fascinated by the Wiimote, but I am planning on playing Akatsuki no Megami and Soulcalibur Legends, so Wii is a must. Probably PS3 will end up the main platform, with Soul Calibur IV most notably, and Tools of Destruction most probably. We'll see if some more worthy games (like Final Fantasy XIV) come around, and alter our position accordingly. I could agree on that the gamers who have the money are the winners now. But as you probably noticed, I am not one of those fortunate ones.

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Whats ur point LordReithgar ( no offense but ur saing it pointlessly

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I'm sorry to say that North America isn't the largest gaming market in the world but Asia is. the numbers aren't even comparable, just pick Japan, the developped parts of China, South Korea, the Phillipines and India and you get such a bigger market. Why do you think so many games are released only in Asia? Because the publishers doesn't really need your market to make their money. You have to consider also that europeans, north american and asians in general have different gaming habbits. Here the DS has been a top seller since only recently, perhaps a year or so, but the DS has been a top seller since it's release in Asia, just like the PsP is quite popular in Europe. In North America, WWII games and first person shooters reigns on top of the gaming market, while in Asia, they get hardly any buyers at all. This is the land of 360? We'll see for how long, the Ps3 is already selling at least good as the 360 if not better. Over time, Ps3 will have much more quality games then the 360 (it already has more in my opinion). Ok, Bladestrom is multiported, but I wouldn't say it's as bad as GS reviews it, Dynasty Gundam is an entertaining game imo, MLB The Show is the BEST sport games. It beats madden or NHL or 2k hands tied. Grand Turismo 5 is upcoming, like it's predecessor, it's going to be an instant sucess. Eventually, Sony will reclaim some exclusive title it has lost because it'll boast better capacitie, qualities, more depht and more content. Publishers who will want to push their games to the limit won't be able to downgrade their said games for the 360 or Wii. I'm not much into Uncharted : Drake's Future, but I'll have to say this game is one of the most impressive I've seen so far. So I can't even imagine how far the Ps3 will push gaming in 3-5 or 7 years. meanwhile, you'll have had to buy an Xbox 360 Elite version 5 with Blu Ray and capabilities it didn't had in first palce because it wasn't originally a real next gen console.

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Personnally, I'd tend to say "it's teh gamers that iwns in the end" as well, these 3 beasts provides different game plays for different gamers (or for gamers who likes different types of gaming experience).. As for myself, I prefer the Ps3, most of the game I played on PsOne or Ps2 are back on this console ('cept for Ace Combat 6 :( dang it lol) and imo provides the best value/price. I play the Wii at a friend place and through fully, I never came back from his place wishing I had one, playing at random times fills quite enough my needs of Wii. It's fun it got a certain wow factor, but as it's been said, what will happen with this console in 2 years? or 5 years? I think it's just an update for the GameCube in the end. The Xbox 360 has no real game that interest me aside from Ace Combat 6 (like previously said) and to tell the truth the only game that came out so far on the box that got me thrilling and almost make me want one is Mass Effect. Other then that, I can count on one hand the games I would have on this console. While on the other hand I already possess as much games for my Ps3 and it has about half the titles of it's competitors. I won't say that quality wise, I thrust Sony better. The Xbox was awefully built and it is the very same with the 360, my friend has had a 360 since the start and Microosoft ended up giving him an Elite because he was returning his system every 2 months or so and still does. Man how unreliable is that? I know some peeps who bought the Ps3 straight from release day and had no problems whatsoever with their system. Also, I cna easily say that American McGee has some funny comment and isn't to take too seriously. I mean, yeah sure, the Blu-Ray might not end up winning the battle against HD-Dvd and eventually fail the HD movies market to disappear from the shelves. But for gaming the Blu-Ray represent the future. A game can be rated basically by the content on the disc and how well it had been coded. An HD DvD can't even compare size wise, so we won't talk about the normal dvd which the Xbox 360 uses. So even if Blu-Ray fails as a standard, the Ps3 is still going to use this format throughout the gen. While right now it might not show off too much, but when the Development kits for Ps3 will get better, exclusive games will boasts such high standards that Sony will see sales skyrocketing for it's system. (I know I ended up boasting the Ps3 while it wasn't my intention) . But it's just reflecting why I prefer the Ps3 and why I believe it'll end up being a better value/price then the Wii or Xbox 360.

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I kinda dont care now. Evry1 likes their own System .So what if 360 wins,why would i care ? I just like playing games, dont care on wich system . Gspot is lame, all systems are good . I wont care if PS3 wins ,360 wins or WII wins , caus its lame , what if we like vote for WII and Wiii wins we get 500 Dollars. ITS DUMB AS S***

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Wouldn't it be nice if there was only one gaming console that did it all then there will be no need for this constant petty bickering about witch one is better… its like guys fighting over who has the Biggest D#@K!! (always over exaggerated and slightly gay!). Easy way out buy 360 and ps3 and get the best out of both world's . (I wont even leave my opinion of the wii.)

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