The Gist - 3 Ways Elder Scrolls Online Has To Prove Itself To Skyrim Fans

Now that The Elder Scrolls series has moved into the massively-multiplayer space, will it be a winner for die-hard Skyrim fans? Jess thinks it could be but not without some work!

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Wintereich
Wintereich

I really have to disagree on the graphics. TESO is SO much better looking than Skyrim, if you've got the hardware to support it. It definitely adds to the immersion of the game, and to me, Skyrim never really looked all that great to begin with.

TimberWolf_CLT
TimberWolf_CLT

I've been playing the TES series since the first (but I wasn't "just a kid" like Jess was) and have to admit I had to adjust to playing a TES game in an MMO format.  However it's similar enough that you get used to it fairly quickly.

One thing that makes me avoid MMOs are the throngs that you have to wade through during peak times.  It gets especially annoying when you all seem to be converging on the same quest point at once.  It's even worse when you have the mounted idiots who insist on parking their damn horses over top of the quest points and blocking out everybody else.  (Sorry, pet peeve came screaming out there.)

To get around this I aim for off-hours play when there's only a few of us bumping into each other.  During those hours players are more cooperative and I thoroughly enjoy playing ESO.

So, TES fans, ESO really can be fun as long as you accept the MMO differences.  There are enough similarities that you should pick it right up and run with it.  Sometimes literally into some horse's-ass at a quest point.

deathoftheninja
deathoftheninja

all that is said throughout this video is...skyrim...skyrim...skyrim....wasn't there other games before and why do we have to compare an MMO from Zenimax Online...to skyrim made by Bethesda Game Studios...this video feels like a waste of time....

lionheart051
lionheart051

Why does ESO have to do anything to please skyrim fans?  Its not meant to be Skyrim 2, you people need to realize and accept that fact. I played Skyrim and imo it wasn't that hot, subpar to be honest.  I like my rpgs mmo.  As for graphics?  This game has the best graphics of any mmo out there, and they look great, nuff said

faizanhd
faizanhd

Skyrim fans ? Is that all Elder Scrolls is ? Skyrim ?

Is there anyone on the damn internet that actually knows that there are other games in the series , let alone play them ?

vadagar1
vadagar1

and yes I agree fighting for a faction would be great


I think TESO will do great, the game is made with great dedication and it shows

vadagar1
vadagar1

TESO HAS NICE ASTHETICS, plz stop using the word graphics

QuadDamage85
QuadDamage85

I think the "one big hero" would be a pitfall for ESO.  In order for this game to succeed as an MMO, it needs to play as one throughout the entire experience.  If you look at SW:TOR for instance, it had a VERY strong single player experience that focused on you being the only Jedi/Bounty Hunter or whatever in the Galaxy that is solving all the issues.  The problem was that once you hit level 60, you were reminded that you were playing an MMO.


From what little I've played, I can say that there are some massive glaring flaws, but I can't think of an MMO that has come out that hasn't had any.  It took WoW years for it to iron out all of its issues.  Final Fantasy XIV had to perform a complete relaunch in order to fix its game, and now you see NCSoft creating what Guild Wars 2 should have been with Wild Star (I speak in regards to proper class roles).


I guess what it comes down to is that time will tell.  We can't judge this game for all its worth within the first few weeks of its release.  Give it at least 6 months to see what progression they're making, and then go from there.

rhenom
rhenom

TES Online doesn't have as good of graphics as Skyrim? Sounds like a load of BS. Skyrim graphics were subpar to begin with.

GrahamZ
GrahamZ

I've been an ES fan since Arena, and an MMO player (on and off) since Everquest (plus played some proto-MMOs prior to EQ).  I think that some of what you are asking for is just you, and not universal for all ES fans.  I don't understand why you feel that you have to feel like you are an all-powerful do-anything hero in order to enjoy the game.  I'm sure that you don't feel that way with all of the games you play, so isn't that like wishing your orange was an apple, even though you like both oranges and apples.  You'll have oranges enough when Bethesda releases their next single-player ES game.  This is not the same game.  You might like it or not, but it's not the same.


That said, the game really does capture some of the ES flavor without actually being a mainstream ES game.  Everything from the architecture to the lore to the Daedra and planes of Oblivion, will make you feel like you are right back in Tamriel again.  There's exploration, which pretty much is mandatory, since the game doesn't have most of the quests stuck in hubs like the average MMO does (I thought I had finished a zone completely, only to stumble upon dungeons and quest givers that I had outleveled).  But it also can be rewarding in other ways, as you stumble across treasure chests, resource nodes, hidden dungeons, or hunting down landmarks that are marked on a treasure map that you've found.


I also really love the crafting in ESO, more than I did in the single-player games -- it's far deeper, and you have more customization options for items.  And the guild stores work better than I actually thought they would (smaller markets mean that cutthroat competition no longer drives prices down to absurd levels, and selling to friends and guildmates means that there's less likely to be price-gouging.  At least in the short run, it's working -- we'll see what happens after a few months, though.

KBABZ
KBABZ

With Feedbackula gone, The Gist is now my favourite video series on Gamespot. You go, Jess!

Jskosoff
Jskosoff

This video is a lot of speculation, and I hope that viewers understand that. I can see by a few comments that viewers are watching this video and making decisions based on Jess's opinion of the game. Jess, you talk a lot about being the best in Tamriel and how an MMO doesn't offer being a singular hero, but did you realize that Elder Scrolls Online does actually offer that? Becoming the Emperor of Tamriel sounds pretty enticing to me :P. 


I think the topic of this video is great because Elder Scrolls Online needs to adhere to so many different play styles. With many expecting a rich role-playing experience and many more expecting intuitive Player vs Player combat, Bethesda has a lot on their plate. I've been blown away at how much ESO has to offer. They recognize that not everyone wants the same experience, and they allow you to choose a path that's most entertaining to you. And all of this within a vast community of other players. 


ESO is bringing fresh ideas to the playing field. Not just for Elder Scroll lore, but for MMO's as well. There is a lot to appreciate about ESO, and my hope is that it isn't overlooked because the MMO genre has a few preconceptions. 


So I really want you to give it a shot Jess. ESO isn't Skyrim, it's something so different. But it has a foundation. A world that you and I have come to love. And it's still the same fantasy and adventure that keeps us coming back for more.

Nerd-burglar
Nerd-burglar

*If you enjoyed the previous Elder Scrolls games you will enjoy some of ESO, it plays like Skyrim but the focus isn't you. (If you can get over this narcissism you will probably enjoy it.) ;-) 


*If you enjoy a good MMO with a decent amount of difficulty you will enjoy ESO.


*If you fear any change what so ever you will hate this game. (You will also hate; nature, people, any video game or T.V. series, lamp, and life in general.)

nomadski69
nomadski69

That guy who commented in the video about doing the same Dark Souls 2 boss for 2 hours with the same guy didn't realise he was playing with an NPC...

ShadowJax04
ShadowJax04

I enjoy The Elder Scrolls so I'm not touching this MMO with a ten foot pole

Unfallen_Satan
Unfallen_Satan

I haven't dived into ESO because I don't even know what to expect. First, a digression:

I don't recall a single instance of do-Y-at-Z-X-times in both KOTOR 1 or 2. I loved it. As soon as I began to do that more often than not in SWTOR, I quit, especially since outside of multiplayer missions, other people just got in the way of my awesome Sith Warrior.

I can't say the same for Skyrim. As far as I can recall of my several hundred hours there, the majority of quests are the kill-who-recover-what variety. I no longer even care. I spend a big chunk of my time just walking; perhaps a stranger or a giant or both are around the corner. Another chunk is spent combing dungeons for loot I don't need while avoiding bloodshed; one door may lead to another Blackreach. Then there are Hearthfire, mods, and such things too involved for me to discuss. I feel such a personal connection to my Skyrim  that my obsessive-compulsiveness is stimulated to its full ugly glory.

Even if the quests in ESO are as good as in Skyrim, they'd fall short. I don't know how much ownership I can personally stake in a MMO, but I do know ESO is not built to be 100% multiplayer. So I am at a loss.

What is playing ESO? At its core, is it just like playing the single-multiplayer hybrid that is so many other MMORPG?

jp_59
jp_59

ESo has nothing to prove to Skyrim fans.

SaintsRowLA
SaintsRowLA

Nice presentation Jess.


After listening to what you said:

I think it's best if you held off on buying this one and let all you Skyrim loving friend play it first before you think about buying it.


I think you would have a lot more certainty of having fun if replayed Skyrim.

I think you would have much much more fun playing Mass Effect 3 on-line too if you haven't done so.


For me, I think Elder Scrolls Online would make a great cup coaster or frizbee.


diego_corleone
diego_corleone

Now it's 3 reasons? Should be five like all the episodes.

Unraed
Unraed

Hey, Gamespot! Could you perchance disable the auto-playing of the next video?  It makes it kinda hard to comment on articles when you are violently torn away from the page.

Many thanks!

nbf4548
nbf4548

I was really skeptical about ESO when I played the beta, but a few hours into the finished game, they won me over.  It says a lot that it's actually fun to craft gear.  Compare that to Guild Wars 2, ugghh.  The visuals are stunning, and they have polished it since the beta.  I challenge the notion that it doesn't look as good as an unmodded Skyrim.  Skyrim was more visually impressive for the time, but it's a 2011 game, and couldn't compete if compared directly to ESO on Ultra  Also, the questing is not standard boring MMO fetch-quests, but from interesting well-voiced NPCs.

crazeon
crazeon

Obviously the core gameplay is going to be different since its an MMO, even as a long time Elder Scrolls fan I knew what to expect going into a completely different type of game, and it doesn't dissapoint. And as far as graphics go, I would argue that ESO looks way better than unmodded Skyrim, with the exception of the armors because most of them look like textures painted onto the meshes.

larkin-54
larkin-54

Also... Can we make it clear that the studio making this is NOT the same studio that made Skyrim Oblivion etc... ?

larkin-54
larkin-54

Jess common Morrowind was the best because you COULDNT be the head of every guild you had to make choices and take sides 

ahpuck
ahpuck

Sorry Bethesda, I love The Elder Scrolls, but no way I'm playing Elder Scrolls Online. I sure hope they don't forget about the single player Elder Scrolls games.

cosminbilga
cosminbilga

I think ESO does a great job on the questing/immersion side. It certainly cannot be the same experience you'd expect from a singleplayer Elder Scrolls, but there are efforts to maintain the best elements of the franchise in the game. Many of the Skyrim fans will be disappointed, because it won't preserve all the elements it made it succesful, but can attract more fans of MMOs due to it's exceptional overall quality, despite the numerous flaws that it has at launch (that will certainly disappear in time)

Fallover
Fallover

What they really have to prove is that it's worth the monthly fee to me, and frankly, no MMO has ever done that...did they bring something groundbreaking or new to the MMO game world? I haven't seen or heard anything outstanding as of yet...

PaiSand
PaiSand

Well, once you manage to finish one of the tasks being done at the same time by 100 other players, it could be a little fun as an MMO. 

TESO is not a TES game but an skinned alike TES MMO. 

LordCrash88
LordCrash88

I like the TES series but I hate TESO...

grin89
grin89

should have included something about the monthly cost to the game as well, 180$ a year plus the 50$ first time purchase is quite a bit of money for a world of warcraft with the elder scrolls paint job.

IndremaLover
IndremaLover

I played the part where Jess said the "S" word, over and over again.

Kinguard73
Kinguard73

I won't know if they done enough for ES fans until they are done debugging on the PC for the console users =) I know one thing that concerns me is the lack of cross platforming.

balrogbane
balrogbane

The fact that the Elder Scrolls Online exists worries me, because if it does well they might just put all their time into making new MMO's rather than great single player games. But if it does bad it might set them way back financially, thus lower quality single player games in the future. Maybe it's pointless to worry I don't know.

TimberWolf_CLT
TimberWolf_CLT

@deathoftheninja Because (bad grammar, I know) Skyrim is the most recent of the TES series and she's addressing that audience.

As for the video being a waste of time, you're welcome to your opinion.  But why did you watch in the first place?

SaintsRowLA
SaintsRowLA

@diego_corleone  

When you want to make a point about something, 3 is usually the best, i.e, less is more, especially with a short presentation.


Plus, you put you're most persuasive point or action taking point third.

bdiddytampa
bdiddytampa

@Unraed  all you have to do is click the little "x" on the auto play popup near the end of the video...

SaintsRowLA
SaintsRowLA

@Unraed  

Why do I get the impression the GameSpot website is run by a bunch lunatic hippies from San Francisco?  (I'm just playing around). 

TimberWolf_CLT
TimberWolf_CLT

@PaiSand  100?  Some days I'd swear it's in the 1K's... :)

uchihasilver
uchihasilver

@Kinguard73  you can blame microsoft for that -_- idiots over there don't want cross platform 

johnd13
johnd13

@balrogbane TESO is made by Zenimax Online. It doesn't affect Bethesda's plans and development of single-player games like TES VI and Fallout 4.

TimberWolf_CLT
TimberWolf_CLT

@bdiddytampa @Unraed It seems to work sporadically for most folks.  My bigger question is why the site feels the need to do it in the first place.

sebbysebbseb
sebbysebbseb

@bdiddytampa @Unraed  That little 'x' doesn't work all the time for me. I remember clearly pressing that x and it still loaded the next video. *shrugs*

balrogbane
balrogbane

@uchihasilver @balrogbane I wouldn't know I never play MMO's.
 But good to know.

uchihasilver
uchihasilver

@balrogbane @uchihasilver  ^_^ always telling people that but they don't listen xD also applies to this little show off match PS & Xbox fans are having both consoles are awesome =P I've owned every single console near enough since i was a kid so i don't care for bias BS =) gaming is about having fun at the end of the day 

uchihasilver
uchihasilver

@balrogbane @uchihasilver  ^_^ i've played loads of em but the only one i ever got truly into was WoW im not quite sure why? maybe because i grew up playing tides of darkness and orcs and humans xD so i have a hidden attraction to it =P either way i love it and don't care if anyone thinks otherwise =) i love elder scrolls but don't like TESO but each to their own