GS News - CliffyB Attacks Notch over Oculus, Last Of Us Coming To PS4?

CliffyB calls Notch a “pouty kid” for cancelling Minecraft on Oculus, Respawn punishes cheaters in Titanfall, and is The Last of Us coming to PS4?

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superdude4669
superdude4669

Ya notch shouldn't be thinking about what he wants but what the gamers want.

vadagar1
vadagar1

im sure Notch and those guys can throw money bundles at each other in the rich guy's retreat

Pewbert
Pewbert

I like how these corporate muppets are having a go at Notch. They are very jealous that he created something far more popular than they could dream.

Sethalos
Sethalos

I'm with Notch on this one. To me this purchase is a complete betrayal to those of us that Crowdsourced the project to no less than Satan himself. Not only will I not buy an Oculus or support any games that uses it, I won't ever crowd source another project....ever.

Mangaas
Mangaas

Notch's decision is his own to make.  Facebook is dying, so why in the hell would Notch want to waste time developing a port for Oculus, if he now finds it too much of a risk ?
Sony already announced their own VR, and microsoft may very well be working on theirs.  Notch is going to work with people in game development, not social media.  Farm-ville 3D ?
No thanks.
As someone who may have been an early adopter of the dev kits, I changed my mind once I heard about the Oculus buy-out.  Notch may be famous and everyone will talk about his decision, but what people don't realize, a lot of smaller devs were working and developing for oculus made the EXACT same decision and ditched any projects they were working on.  I have two friends who had the dev kits and were working and tinkering on early projects who just completely bailed on it because of this buyout as well.  A lot of people have.

XCyberForceX
XCyberForceX

Isle of Cheaters?  LOL reminds me of a certain penal colony continent for criminals ... Australia.  

Ouch that wasn't fair but I had to say it. ;)


I think the isle of cheaters is a bad idea just ban them all together!

Hellcanwait
Hellcanwait

well i guess the lesson to be learned here is, don't support anything on kickstarter.


but seriously, this has got to hurt future Projects on kickstarter.

StephenSays
StephenSays

Some people don't understand that a lot of people gave a lot of money to oculus rift. The buzz was created by regular joes money. OR should have asked all the people who put over 400 dollars in the project if it is alright that I sell this to FaceBook. They would have gotten a 100% no. I hope people learned their lesson. Put your money in a corporation stock where you can vote for the chairmen to avoid someone selling the company. Now the vision of the company is up to Facebook.

StephenSays
StephenSays

Cliffy sticking up for Facebook, what???

This is the same guy who said in order to unlock a character in my game you have to like it on FaceBook. (Griffen aka ice t). Sold Gears to be horded by Microsoft pun intended. I know money talks and you sold out but when you sell out get out. Because no one wants to see you anymore. That sawdoff still pisses people off.

crunchb3rry
crunchb3rry

I remember a time when CliffyB was a pouty kid because Gears Of War 3 didn't get high enough scores or as many GOTY awards as he wanted.

GammaRed
GammaRed

Cheating, the two edged sword. On one edge, we have the single player or co-operative cheating. This kind of cheating although wrong, rarely hurts anyone but oneself and any partisipents. On the other edge, we have competitive game cheats, those can...

ALL GO TO HELL!!!!

Good on ya Respawn. Now for the xbox one cheaters?

toyiba
toyiba

That is the best cheat solution.

I love it!

kooch664
kooch664

ENOUGH with this Playstation store ad!!

kravius
kravius

Cliffy B should go f*** himself. He's always running his mouth for press coverage. Notch is right and has integrity. Minecraft is hugely popular but it hasn't sold out to "social gaming". Minecraft IS social gaming at its best. You can play with just your friends if so desired. My son and I run a server, and it is super easy to add his friends. Nobody is analyzing and marketing his data or data-mining his friends. Facebook will market every detail about you, now in 3d. I was looking forward to the Rift but I will avoid it like the plague. Kudos to Notch!

devilzzz1983
devilzzz1983

I still don't know who this CliffyB is and I don't care.

PillageTruth
PillageTruth

Cliffy B should keep his mouth shut. If any one is a great example of a idiotic developer its cliffy b... He was the idiot who invented the most broken gun in gears.  

deric1975
deric1975

Maybe if Notch spent his whole career to date being ripped on by people online like CliffyB he wouldn't be such a "pouty kid"? :)  Minecraft is the guy's product and he can do as he sees fit with it... just like Cliffy is free to have a fruity nickname.

Pierce_Sparrow
Pierce_Sparrow

I'm with CliffyB. The internet reaction is silly and short sighted. It stems from passion and little from people actually thinking about the circumstances surrounding the buyout and what it means for the long term future of the device. This whole thing just seems like typical clamor that comes from people who don't truly understand things. Like a lot of things, the public generally doesn't know what they're really biting down on. Somehow, I think Notch is much the same.

rogue81
rogue81

Is CliffyB still relevant?

jazero1987
jazero1987

Notch truly hate facebook he should delete his facebook for minecraft 

virtualskill
virtualskill

We should all listen to CliffyB!!! He makes such great games like Gears of War and..... Umm...Gears of War. He is genius.

crimzonrazor
crimzonrazor

Could really care less what CliffyB thinks of anything

mep69
mep69

If he's uncomfortable with facebook and doesn't want to be a part of it, good on him.

ollie_sr
ollie_sr

I'm with Cliffy on this one. Notch is well within his right to back out, but the reasons behind it aren't well justified. It was a knee-jerk reaction. The idea that


Facebook = Creepy

Facebook = Oculus

Oculus = Creepy


is beyond oversimplifying the situation. It's such a short-sighted view of the acquisition, that "childish" is quite an appropriate word for it. It's a much more nuanced story, a lot of which we don't know and can't tell. I don't even think Facebook knows what they're going to do with this acquisition. But from the statements Luckey Palmer has made regarding the acquisition, it looks like Oculus is better with Facebook. They finally have the resources and freedom to do what they want. 

Earth_Krish
Earth_Krish

@superdude4669  What gamer wants facebook shoved into their games? Besides morons? Yes it will happen. Facebook is about making money. Zuckerburg is about making money. They make money through Facebook. It WILL happen.

Boogy32
Boogy32

@XCyberForceX The British didn't want the criminals. Let's send them all to a new continent. The poor aboriginals wont mind.
Long live the idea of empire.
History is great huh? :P

blkgto
blkgto

@deric1975 lol a fruity nickname that if I recall correctly, he gave to himself..   

lilflipp
lilflipp

@Pierce_Sparrow Well considering that Facebook shares your personal information and sells it to companies and that I'd say 98%+ of their revenue comes from ads and selling us. Also their agreement terms where they detain copyrights license over the stuff you post on Facebook. That's right! It becomes theirs. You make a cool creative video, as soon as you post it on there, it's theirs to use. What they did with Whatsapp.


I don't trust them. They are intrusive. It would be naive to assume that they don't haven't planned some sneaky way to take advantage of you. 2 000 000 000$ You bet your ass they are up to something.

Whiskey3romeo
Whiskey3romeo

@rogue81 No.  He's like one of those washed up stars who makes a fuss about something so they can get their picture and a mention in People magazine.

Pierce_Sparrow
Pierce_Sparrow

@virtualskill  You surely realize that Cliff was one of the early developers with Epic MegaGames, right? You must be young.

Poison-tooth
Poison-tooth

@ollie_sr  Freedom? It remains to be seen. Of course Mr Palmer wont tell publicly that the acquisition comes with some strings attached. The details of the deal will remain a secret.

JRD1912
JRD1912

@ollie_sr  Logically it doesnt make sense.  Still I love that he did it, and how he did it! It was awesome!

SnakeTheFox
SnakeTheFox

@Kevin75 @StephenSaysAsking them if it's alright? Suing? Are either of you aware what Kickstarter is, exactly? You're not on a "board of investors", you don't "own a share" of Oculus. The Kickstarter starter (forgive me) is under absolutely zero obligation to do what you want. Hell, these guys could literally do a donut burnout in a parking lot with a car full of your money and they'd be legally clear. It's literally a platform where you throw money at a project in the hopes that it succeeds. And if you ask me, getting a 400 million dollar buyout by a huge company is "succeeding"; all those "we're running out of stock" problems? Gone. Speed of development? Through the roof. And, unlike a lot of Kickstarter projects, you can now know as a matter of fact that the Rift is going to be released, and in a timely fashion; because with that kind of investment, you'd be insane not to.

The people who are turned off by the Facebook buyout are exactly what Cliff said: pouty, edgy kids on the internet (and also pretentious pouty hipsters, like Notch). Anyone with any kind of business sense or legitimate hope for the Rift's success are celebrating.

Pierce_Sparrow
Pierce_Sparrow

@lilflipp @Pierce_Sparrow  Most of the people complaining likely use Facebook, and considering that Facebook isn't something absolutely necessary, I have very little reason to take most people's complaints about them seriously. The internet reaction is still very silly and trivial. Don't like what happened? Don't get the product. Buy a competitors. There will surely be many ones. I am thoroughly convinced that no matter who bought out Oculus, people would whine and complain. Especially about the Kickstarter stuff because people seem to think that Kickstarter is enough to sustain a project like this. if people are really so upset by how FB runs their business, there is a very simple solution: don't use it. Don't buy anything from Oculus either. Problem solved.

Pierce_Sparrow
Pierce_Sparrow

@DoogyDonDoogy @Pierce_Sparrow  How so, exactly? The internet often does over react to things, and they are over reacting to this. Most people complaining probably never even planned to get an OR anyway.

ollie_sr
ollie_sr

Instagram and What's App still run independently and don't have Facebook Facebook Facebook ads ads ads riddled all over those apps. Facebook has a good track record.

I'm not sure about all the legal stuff, but I don't think they can keep many secrets from investors, being a publicly traded company.

Point is, people are jumping to conclusions that don't even make sense for Facebook. It's bugging me how short sighted people are. They're just not thinking.

Mangaas
Mangaas

@SnakeTheFox @Kevin75@StephenSays Yeah, they're celebrating alright, when Zuckerberg talked about how VR would change social interactions and advertizing, it really made everyone jump for joy about the Oculus future....

Facebook is dying and dying fast, anyone who uses it regularly has seen what it's become: a home feed full of spam, spam, and more people re-sharing spam.  Links to click farms and ads disguised as "lists" or stories.
Facebook is digging it's own grave, the amount of bot and fake accounts is getting into the millions,  and their own services they charge to allow pages to reach more followers quickly, is a scam that sends more bots to like your page.
Zuckerbeg himself made a massive unloading of his own stock in the company not too long ago, more recently and more money selling stock options in Facebook shares yet again, and I guarantee you will see another similar move within the next year.  He's cashing out while there's still cash.
Also, these "pouty edgy kids" are what is going to drive any future social media.  They are the new customers.  So if they don't like facebook, then guess what?  Facebook fails.  The user-base stagnates as there's no new adopters, and the old users begin to taper off and become turned off by all the spam.
If you didn't already know that Facebook was dying out, and dying fast, then your opinion holds no weight in this discussion.

lilflipp
lilflipp

@Pierce_Sparrow @lilflippI don't use Facebook. And I think The Oculus is just a gimmick and had no intention on buying the product before it was sold to FB.

Pierce_Sparrow
Pierce_Sparrow

Kickstarter is barely a tool that can judge a devices market impact. Second, those "facebook cattle" ARE the market. Not niche group of gamers. The potential for use of Rift goes so far beyond gaming, most gamers can't comprehend. The silliness of the whole fervor is that most people complaining have such a narrow minded view of the future of the device in FB's hands. Not that it matters to them. The small contingency of internet nerds outraged over this won't match the sales that will be made from the Rift.

blkgto
blkgto

@Pierce_Sparrow @DoogyDonDoogy
"
Most people complaining probably never even planned to get an OR anyway."

Given it's success on kickstarter, I would have to say that there is little basis for such a comment.  There are also plenty of people who will not give it the time of day now that facebook has their hands on it.  There are many more that will unfortunately.  All those aimless facebook cattle. 

Minders
Minders

@Pierce_Sparrow @DoogyDonDoogy  


First of all i want to say that I personally don't have any strong feelings whatsoever when it comes to this buyout.


However, i can understand people who do. One of the more basic things is that OR was, by a lot of people, touted as the perfect escape from reality and now it is the best way to stay connected with your friends in a new dimension. It's basically done a 180 in direction. Another thing is that a lot of people honestly dislike everything that has to do with facebook for a number of reasons (some being intrusion in privacy, hiding the fact that they alter the news you get based on money they get and much more.). 


Then there is the "betrayal" of people who donated to the kickstarter. They didn't donate money so the creators could then sell the product and make bucketloads of money.


As for wheter these reasons are good or not I will not discuss, I'm just saying that I can see where some of them come from. Just as I can honestly say I would sell for 2 billions in a second.

ollie_sr
ollie_sr

I doubt Zuckerberg ever actually said that. Even if he did that's not the point I'm making. I just think people are coming to ridiculous conclusions way too quickly without any thought or reasonable analysis of the situation.

strelok314
strelok314

@ollie_sr  Right, Instagram was acquired less than two years ago and whatsapp, well I am pretty sure it was fairly recent so that logic doesn't count. Mark once said he would never let ads on Facebook. So, lets give it a few years before you start using that logic again.

ollie_sr
ollie_sr

Even that doesn't give any indication that Facebook is going stick Facebook all over Oculus. In fact, nothing does. It's not in their interest to do that.

The predictions of a lot of people just sound like thoughtless conspiracy theories.

Seymour47
Seymour47

@ollie_sr Riiiiiiight. So, we're going to ignore the attempt by 'Instagram' to claim ownership of all pictures loaded via the system after Facebook purchased it? And the only reason that was rescinded was because users left in droves.

Yea, Facebook did nothing to Instagram. The only thing Facebook has changed is how blatant their tactics are.