Games You Should Play on Steam Early Access, Day One: Dungeon of the Grim Throne

Dungeon of the Endless, Grim Dawn, and Nuclear Throne each bring their own brand of danger and glory to Steam Early Access as Chris Watters hosts Day 1 of our week long feature.

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94 comments
UKFX
UKFX

1:54 - exit, not eggsit.

UKFX
UKFX

Starbound and Insurgency are both very worthy titles.

Don't let the lack of popularity surrounding Insurgency concern you. As some have put it, it is like Red Orchestra in the modern era and is incredibly fun and it looks good too. It's not your typical point and click-fest either. It is shaping up to be a fantastic game and it'd be a shame if it doesn't gather a high enough popularity for its multiplayer to flourish whenever it is released.

My ratings:

Starbound : 9/10

Insurgency : 7.5/10

:D

Drkoolbeanz
Drkoolbeanz

So much better then reading a preview! Good Job Gamspot!

NetGod
NetGod

I totally get that 'some' people like to play games that are not finished yet, but it's definitely not for me. I want a smooth, totally finished product. 


I do like to see the 'action RPG' genre is not dead, (Grim Dawn in the video above actually looks ok). That said the other two games look like crap.

ShepardCommandr
ShepardCommandr

don't support this bs trend

don't buy early access

don't pay for alphas

GyroGate
GyroGate

Unless they are fighting aliens, I am so not gonna watch White House Down. And what's with the graphics on the helicopters, looks like the green marines from toystory. Sheesh!

DAOWAce
DAOWAce

Dungeon of the Endless is the only thing I thought about buying the minute I saw it; cheap too.


Grim Dawn? Well.. it's been in development really since Titan Quest's expansion was released.  It's very old nowadays and it sure as hell looks like it too.  I don't think it will live up to its legacy, especially after PoE took the reigns of the Diablo-like ARPG genre.

Maxxgold
Maxxgold

Thanks for the heads up on these games. I just put Grim Dawn on my Wishlist. To many games to play right now.

amafi
amafi

Grim Dawn feels VERY much like Titan Quest right out of the gate. Which is natural considering it's made by some of the dudes what made TQ, and a very good thing considering TQ is still the best Diablo game ever made.

KSSuperhero
KSSuperhero

They should do one with games you should not play and The Dead Linger should be number one bad bad bad game.

dinosaur-123
dinosaur-123

Grim dawn looks really good, I might go and buy that. Thanks GS.

TehUndeadHorror
TehUndeadHorror

Glad you guys are pointing out the playable entries. There are too many early access games which are pretty but featureless.

shreddyz
shreddyz

don't know why gs is advocating that people go out and spend money on unfinished alphas and betas. For only $20-$60 you too can get in on all the fun. Yes, live your dream of becoming an unpaid beta tester TODAY!

mcullinan
mcullinan

Im not a fan of early access, alpha games. They could be utter crap and releasing them early makes victims out of gamers. Ill wait for a few reviews before buying.

ExplosivePants
ExplosivePants

Steam are apparently shutting down Green light games soon. They are pushing all the ones in the pipe out quick so they have no more to put out then finished with it.

placksheep
placksheep

I love this feature! I was just thinking about how many early access games there have been lately, and how disappointing some of them turned out to be o.O Well done gamespot :-D

TheLeftHandDoom
TheLeftHandDoom

"Diablo clone trope" 

oy vey.


The two most overused words on the internet are "trope" and "narrative".  I wish people could find ways of expressing themselves without using these pedantic, pretentious pseudo-intellectual terms.

HuSSaR83
HuSSaR83

Most of Early-access games are total shit. DayZ game lately is bugging out as a best selling game of early-access so I bought it just to check it out how bogus it is. Guess what? Its total shit as of now and maybe for another year

Danny Rowan
Danny Rowan

Lol touche. I like his previous games though. Minus that...one.

nate1222
nate1222

Every one of these look like getters.

Saketume
Saketume

I'm liking this. These are the type of games that are easy to miss and it's hard to keep track of and this video feature really helps.


Looking forward to more episodes.

Unraed
Unraed

Great show! Its also very nice to see some interest in PC gaming on this site. 

nicolasetespqr
nicolasetespqr

Well. 


Inb4 Kevin van Ord gives another mediocre aRPG a 9 out of 10.

plasticreality
plasticreality

Main my concern with Steam Early Access is the pricing.  Most of the games I see available for it are asking full retail price, despite being unfinished and in some cases seriously plagued with bugs.  If anything, the games should be cheaper prior to being finished. After all, you are buying an unfinished product and giving valuable feedback to developers free of charge.  


Here's a personal example.  I first purchased State of Decay on Xbox Live for $20.  Despite being an engaging experience, the graphics were quite blurry and the framerate was ridiculously inconsistent - it was common for the game to freeze mid-gameplay for a few seconds.  Still, it was a fun game, so I was happy to hear that they were planning a PC release that would hopefully fix these issues (it did for the most part).


I paid $20 once again for the game via Steam Early Access.  It was technically a finished game and close to official release, so it seemed like a good idea.  Less than two weeks after the game came out, however, the price dropped by half during a Steam Sale.  Basically, I got a worse deal by taking part in Early Access, and that doesn't seem very fair.  This seems to be a trend.


I can honestly see the benefits of Steam Early Access, but I resent the idea that we should pay full price for an unfinished product.  For those of you who would respond with "you don't have to buy it," my main concern is the precedent that is set by this.  Just like DLC, when people are openly willing to be ripped off by developers/publishers it affects us all by setting new pricing standards.  We really need to think about what it means to "vote with your dollars."  

Vexov
Vexov

Don't really care for Grim Dawn, we already have Path of Exile, so if it really doesn't bring anything itself to the ARPG... then whats the point.


Dungeon of the Endless, I JUST WANT IT FINISHED ALREADY!!, its some solid fun taking that its in alpha... version 0.1.3 I believe, but it has a few floors. The only negative comments i see is morons not understanding they bought a game in alpha >.<  (They some how missed all the warnings).


That Nuclear game looks decent enough to pick up for some hours to burn into something. The Blind Ninja Chicken, has me nearly set on buying the game.

UKFX
UKFX

Oh, an Insurgency just had ANOTHER update. Over 330mb :D woot!

I highly recommend people get both Starbound and Insurgency ;)

Hamsnowmer
Hamsnowmer

@ShepardCommandr Yep, you are the type of person who shouldn't support this trend.  Because you are going into it with the mindset "I'm paying to play an unfinished game" - if you go into it with the mindset "I get to play this game early and look for bugs / find out if I should be more interested in following it through development, then you'll be happy.  I love this early access stuff.. more games, faster.

Caldrin
Caldrin

@ShepardCommandrwhy ?


Plus you dont play alphas you test them..

Caldrin
Caldrin

@shreddyzyou are helping fund the development of the game, plus for donig so you actually get to test the game..

I guess you are ok with AAA titles having pre-orders months before the game is out that you get nothing for yeah?

I_ArCh0n_I
I_ArCh0n_I

@shreddyz Beta testing is testing the game for bugs by doing monotonous things such as jumping on the same spot 500 times to see if you can break the game.

This is not beta testing, its just pre-ordering with an extra perk

hole2score
hole2score

@shreddyz Lots of people don`t get the point of early access. You invest in a game so the developers can try and make the game great and in return you get the latest version they`re working on. It`s really like the stock market.

acecs1989
acecs1989

@mcullinan It also gives them funding and increases the likelihood of completion. I suppose it is a bit of a blessing and a curse.

Lambchopzin
Lambchopzin

@TheLeftHandDoomErr... How are "trope" and "narrative" pretentious or pseudo-intellectual terms? As long as they are used correctly I don't see any reason to be upset about it.

pongley
pongley

@HuSSaR83 I reckon Valve will implement some sort of minimum standard at some point. You just know that one of the 87 early access games is going to fail hard because it was never in a position to actually be completed and the constant whining of the early adopters not understanding the concept of an "alpha" will sidetrack them from developing the core gameplay.

Godlikan
Godlikan

@HuSSaR83 Try Starbound

WolfGrey
WolfGrey

@HuSSaR83

To be fair Day Z was always a buggy piece of shit, mod or not. And it will be that way for the full game all the way out of alpha into full release.

Nether is so much better and well made and is actually worth getting early.

Kevin-V
Kevin-V moderator staff

@nicolasetespqr We don't score early access games. And Grim Dawn is fine, and wonderfully playable, but not special. If you're trying to make an obnoxious crack about Path of Exile, you can read the review to discover why I think that game is so praise-worthy. 

Crzy1
Crzy1

@plasticreality Paying for something and having it go on sale a couple of weeks later isn't really an issue with Steam Early Access.  Pretty much any game is going to end up being cheaper, it just depends on if you want to play it now, or wait to play it later.


As far as getting the game cheaper, it all depends on the developer.  There have been a handful that are cheaper on Early Access, but most are not in order to keep people away from buying them unless they really want to help with the game development or toy around with it before it's finished.  Arma III was $30ish dollars during it's early access and jumped up to a full $60 after release, not sure if DayZ standalone will do the same, but I wouldn't doubt it given that Bohemia Interactive is also developing it.


On the flipside, some games are more expensive during early access to keep out people who aren't there for testing.  Planetary Annihilation is $60 and is supposed to go down as the game enters beta and finally, full release.  I'd like to play it, but they put up a pay wall to keep the amount of people down, so I wait until they lower the price, then I'll give it a go.


I also bought State of Decay as soon as it was available on Early Access and it's a great game, well worth $20 and then some.  I bought the DLC when it came out because I enjoyed the game so much.  I don't think I was ripped off because someone else got it for cheaper on a Steam sale, that's just the way Steam works.  If you really want to play something, go ahead and buy it, but if you're on the fence, wait a couple of months and it will more-than-likely end up going on sale for half price or even more. 


You could even watch other sites like Amazon or Green Man Gaming to ensure you're catching every sale that's out there.  Even the Humble Bundle has some great games if you want to get a lot of entertainment for a ridiculously good price.  One of the best things about Steam is that you can game on the cheap if you've got a little patience to wait for a good sale.

Vexov
Vexov

@plasticreality Gone are the days where we would get Demo's for nearly every game. I soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wish they brought it back. It's one of the reason why PS1 was so great.


Steam has seasonal sales, wait to buy stuff till then, you can get games only a month old for like 50% off.


Maybe they should just let players play alpha's for free, and buying during alpha and/or beta gives some nice rewards.

shreddyz
shreddyz

@Hamsnowmer will you still support a video game developer that has taken the money and left town but sends tweets once in a while claiming all is well? so many working poor gamers acting like philanthropists these days!. how noble of you.

shreddyz
shreddyz

@Caldrin @shreddyz No, absolutely not!. I do not believe in pre-ordering games either. I will never pay for a video game in advance of it's official release nor will i ever pay for an unfinished/tested product.

I also have no interest in 'helping' a developer to create the game I want to play. That is all bullshit that devs feed young impressionable gamers, and alot of them fall for it.  I do not give my money to promises and in hopes that a certain dev will actually follow through on.

WolfGrey
WolfGrey

@Kevin-V@nicolasetespqr 

Plus Path of Exile is nowhere near mediocre. It's an amazing game with a dev team that deserves a lot of respect. Especially for sticking to their guns about how their micro-transactions are done.I applaud them.

I also have a great deal fo respect for Kevin here. As should most.

plasticreality
plasticreality

@Crzy1 @plasticreality I'm with you on waiting for Steam Sales, but I don't agree that developers should be allowed to charge high prices for beta access.  It's just not an ethical business practice (imo).  Obviously people are willing to pay the money, but I think it's a bad trend.  


Either way, I think this needs to be explored more by gaming journalists, instead of them (perhaps unwittingly) acting like cheerleaders for Steam without any critical discussion.

shreddyz
shreddyz

@Caldrin @shreddyz hahah me too. I'm not as adventurous and trusting as you though when it comes to supporting video game developers. I know what you're saying and in principle I would like indie devs to use it as a start up, as well, but since i've seen many people burned so many times by promises I can no long accept what this industry (honest Indie devs included) say. As the saying goes- I trust them as far as I can throw them! ;)


Caldrin
Caldrin

@shreddyz@CaldrinLOL if only I was still young..

I am happy to support indie game developers that are working on a type of game that I really want to play.

For instance a recent game I backed was a MMORPG called The Repopulation, now without running kickstarter campaigns this game may never have made it even this far.

Another one was Star Citizen the guy behind that was unable to get any investors as they thouht the space sim scene was dead..

I dont just go around backing everything out there but only games that I want to see get made and without crowd funding like Kickstarter and Steam early access some of them would never make it and that would be a very very big shame.


Shadowrun returns is a great example of this the only reason that got made was due to crowd funding and its an excellent game and I am more than happy that I supported it.

Crzy1
Crzy1

@plasticreality Not sure what you consider to be unethical about charging more early on to keep people out.  It's there to only let the people in who really want in and it generally includes some perks that won't be available when the final game is complete (forum badges and other junk).


Also not sure why you think Steam needs to be investigated, it's single-handedly brought PC gaming back to life over the past 5 years, if not for Steam, all we'd have for PC games are WoW clones and loads of free-to-play trash (and free-to-play WoW clone trash) rather than games you can actually pay a flat price and play as much as you like.


Steam isn't a caveat venditor system but rather a caveat emptor system.  The seller chooses what they want to price a product at and it's up to you, the buyer, to make a choice about whether or not that price is acceptable.  Steam is just the vendor in this situation, much like a vending machine you'd find in a public place.  They're not fraudulently charging you for something, you made the choice to buy, if you weren't thorough in investigating what you were buying and the price drops later, that's on you and not the vendor.