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DarkTarconis
DarkTarconis

First of all, I created an account just to comment on this. Secondly, I really like the idea of the show. Ever since I became interested in e-sports 2 years ago, I have found it hard to keep up with more than one or two games at most. I like that I will be able to get all the major news in one quick easy to digest video once per week. This episode was rough around the edges, but I suspect that was mostly due to this being a pilot. My only complaint is that the interview at the end felt long compared to the coverage you gave other games (and this coming from a LoL fan), but that might just be because that is all anyone is talking about right now. All in all, great job and I look forward to adding this to my weekly watch schedule.

Onofire
Onofire

Needs better lighting for the main studio. Otherwise I really like the concept.

DAMM1N4T0R
DAMM1N4T0R

The interview was too long and slasher's quality was too low, everything else was pretty good :) 

Konuvis
Konuvis

Interesting premise. It's nice to have a series dedicated to e-sports news.

NavNightWolf
NavNightWolf

TSM has ignored the fans in the decision making to remove Chaox from the team. I do not understand why they did not opt for a better solution to fix the chaox problem. TSM has like the biggest fan base there is for a league of legends team and yet they ignored them totally. 

If Regi really wanted to give Chaox a chance to fix his attitude and motivation, he should've announced officially on TSM website or through Gamecrib that Chaox is getting over the team and if he continues to do so, he will be kicked from the team. In that way, the fans could've played a big role by letting Chaox know that he should take his profession more seriously. This could've made Chaox realize that his fans are also upset, I know Chaox cares about his fans and he would not have let them down. Even after all that if Chaox did not fix his problems, at least the fans would've known that Chaox brought it all to himself despite the warnings and probably there would've been less hate for Regi. But now, most fans are upset over the decision and majority believe removing Chaox was the wrong choice.

After watching all the responses, I still believe kicking Chaox was more of a personal thing for Regi, he just couldn't handle the tension and heat that had developed between him and Chaox. From a business point of view, arguments can happen ( and probably should happen when Regi himself underperformed in several matches ), but by firing his employee/teammate Regi only proved who is BOSS.


blargh29
blargh29

It was a good show but the interview took up half the show thats my only complaint.

micavity
micavity

i dont see how regi can sit there and bullshit. "chaox fucked up so hard in dallas" really? he did show up late.. yes.. but he still performed better then you.. lol.. he performed very very well for being that late.. get over urself..

Goosebumpage
Goosebumpage

Really like this new show - hope it continues.  Interesting follow up interview with Regi + Xpecial.

wanaskug
wanaskug

This game far more interesting than I thought. So does Age of Wushu. The stunning scenes with special effects are vert eye-catching. Huge world map is also interesting.

Sendori
Sendori

I listened to you TSM. I watched the interview and lo and behold, I still hate Regi. IamExistence covered it perfectly. Same reasons why I hate HotShot

Wensea10
Wensea10

Always hearing about DOTA 2 news is fantastic...

IamExistence
IamExistence

I think what frustrates me so much with regi is he sits there talking about professionalism the whole time and how hard it is to make a business decision because he has personal feelings involved when if he were just the owner the choice would have been easy and to cut chaox.

This is why you can't be a player AND an owner, because you are going to have to make those hard decisions and you CAN'T have those personal feelings involved. Regi talking about chaox exploding on him, do you think that was done as player to player or player to boss? I'm not trying to justify chaox saying what he said, and in fact as a business owner if an employee said that to me I would fire him on the spot, but at the same time regi needs to realize that by simply being the owner AND a player that alone opens the door for tension to come rolling in because the relationship will get too convoluted and this is what happens.

If he were just the owner then he could have easily stepped up and said "look you're fucking up and if you don't stop this then there will be consequences plain and simple" just as any other boss would do in any other job.

Having an obvious boss/employee relationship is vital to any organization to succeed otherwise the employees do feel like they can act out. This is why you see head coaches of football teams (just as an example) not interact with players until after pre-season is over because they know they're going to have to cut some of the guys that don't make it. You NEED to establish "I am your boss, you are my employee" not "I am your teammate, friend, roommate, and boss".

Regi needs to seriously decide to pick one or the other because so long as he is doing both I don't see this tension going away even with chaox release. It almost feels as if it is dyrus and oddone vs xpecial and regi now with wildturtle potentially caught in the middle. Hows that for professionalism?

And as for xpecial, yes i have to say it lol you're a little bitch dude. Stop cowering when someone confronts you because you're scared and grow up. It isn't hard to have a reasonable conversation with someone if you do it with civility and most people (at least in my experiences) will respect you more for being straight up with them rather than hiding behind someone or something else. Thats just flat out highschool shit right there.

ssfrogger290
ssfrogger290

great show. I'm looking forward to many more to come

Byukk
Byukk

23:23 Regi : "I started thinking about it after he exploded on me." ROFL 

Kennheiser
Kennheiser

Big fan of Travis and I follow his weekly show but to me it felt like he was kinda stiff, like he did not know how to position his body and such. The overall background of the studio...for some reason I got a vibe of a low quality news report. I feel like it would've been better to just have a couple of couches and have these guys talking to each other face to face and interacting with one another similar to like how interviews are done in the NA LCS.

Rawzlekk123
Rawzlekk123

Xpecial was offended by the whole "brat" thing? Really? The tone of that whole conversation was obviously playful. 

Omega_Rend
Omega_Rend

Regi you are an idiot! You got rid of Chaox due to personal reasons not professional! Everyone knows he is a better player than you! You aren't the playmaker! XD what weed are you smoking right now? Dyrus and Chaox were your playmakers! I give Dyrus and Oddone second chances during Season 2, but we just immediately kick Chaox in Season 3! Xpecial you are such a brat! You would be nothing without Chaox and you will return to nothing now that he is gone!

heysupersteve
heysupersteve

@DarkTarconis Pretty much exactly how I felt too. Great method of delivering interesting esport news, with a few edges to smooth out. The main studio looks like it could use some basic production touches. Maybe borrow a big screen TV from a friend to use to talk to "Slasher" and "Gootecks" with? Also while I love league of legends, and was very interested in the interview in at the end, it definitely needed to be edited. Reginald repeated himself A LOT, which became very tiresome during his long responses. Kudo's to Travis for sitting though that, but we shouldn't have needed to.

Kennheiser
Kennheiser

@IamExistence eyyyyy I saw your post on reddit! I agree with you that Regi is putting him and his teammates in a difficult situation as being both a player and owner. To me it's kind of like when a friend becomes your boss at work, you guys are still friends but there will always be that tension in the relationship as a result. Maybe hiring a team coach might help solve this problem since it will provide a third person perspective on the team's dynamic and play style.

TwistieTie
TwistieTie

@Kennheiser I didn't mind the setting, because there is not much you can do when TSM is at GDC for Qualcomm. It probably would have helped if there were at least chairs for them to sit so there would be less fidgeting (i.e. shifting from foot to foot for Travis) as it made him appear bored, for me.

Haysooooom
Haysooooom

@Omega_Rend dude seriously who the fuck are you to call reginald an idiot ? if you are not living with them or understanding enough to know it wasn't personal then u r indeed a chaox blind fanboy and should shut the fuck up!

DarkTarconis
DarkTarconis

@heysupersteve @DarkTarconis Yeah excellent point about the studio, I didn't notice at first, but it looks very drab and, now that you pointed it out, is slightly distracting lol. However I hope that at least part of that was due to them not wanting to invest to much into a show without knowing what the reception would be like. After reading other people's comments, it seems I'm not the only one interested in a high quality multi e-sport news show.

IamExistence
IamExistence

@Kennheiser @IamExistence haha ya i figured id post it here too in hopes maybe it wouldn't get burried, but that's exactly my point. 

Something else I feel is holding E-sports back is that they have no PR people to help them set up statements for things. To go back to my football example, there IS a very obvious reason coaches or any public figure dodge questions at times. Throwing all the details out there and causing more drama on an already tense situation only makes things worse. 

I mean you wouldn't see a Quarterback saying "Ya we got rid of our WR because he called my wife fat and we got into an argument in the locker room so we decided to release him from the team". 

You would instead see something like "There was a dispute with the team and as a team we felt this was the best direction, next question" and that would be the end of it.

I agree with interviews to get more information, but the  players need to have statements prepared rather than just winging it which is basically pouring gas on an already out of control fire aka Reddit lol

Kennheiser
Kennheiser

@TwistieTie @Kennheiser For the setting I was talking about the studio Travis was presenting in, unless the show itself was hosted at GDC then I take back my statement. I don't know why but it felt like the background was fake 0_0 almost like it was a green screen. 

Rawzlekk123
Rawzlekk123

@Xero_Persona @Rawzlekk123 nah, it was brat. Don't get me wrong, I like Xpecial. But it was clear that Xpecial was in an extreme defensive posture during that last conversation between Chaox and Xpecial. I thought that was really fucked up, considering the situation and the way Chaox was trying to be real and give his last good-byes. 

Omega_Rend
Omega_Rend

@Haysooooom @Omega_Rend Easy, I am a previous TSM fan and the entire time I can honestly say Regi is indeed an idiot compared to the rest of them. I'm a very understanding person when it comes to TSM, but after this, Regi is definitely an idiot. They only have the Dyrus carry now and even he is going to perform like crap since Regi kicked Chaox.

IamExistence
IamExistence

@Kennheiser @IamExistence its definitely a fine balance because some of the interviews in starcraft with players specifically are pretty stale imo haha and I agree with you on the charm because it is raw it is real(more so than other public events at least). I just hope that E-sports gets taken seriously to become as big as other organizations because I love it and I don't want it misconstrued as "oh it is just some kids playing video games and talking trash" because of poorly prepared interviews, letting feelings override the demeanor needed in such situations. 

Many thanks for the interviews to Gamespot though btw it is indeed very appreciated.

Kennheiser
Kennheiser

@IamExistence @Kennheiser I mean they could have certainly been more professional about the whole interview but in my opinion, these types of interviews have their own merits. It makes them seem more human and not just reciting what someone has told them to say. And I think that's a certain charm that comes with E-sports. Although truthfully, I only follow LoL so maybe players in other more established games such as Starcraft conduct interviews in a more professional manner. Also I am somewhat biased against the format of the show just because I feel that it is trying TOO hard to be professional.

IamExistence
IamExistence

@Kennheiser @IamExistence Prepared statements are made to help calm the storms while things are still up in the air to prevent further escalation and prevent statements that can't be taken back, like for instance what xpecial did.

I personally feel his statements were very unprofessional all while his boss is sitting right next to him. Maybe it is because E-sports is still growing, but it isn't like we have to establish all new ground rules for what to do in negative PR situations. We have already established what to do in those situations for years, but perhaps there isn't a big enough organization yet for those rules to be implemented or the staff isn't there. I don't claim to know the reasons, but feel it is definitely something that should be looked at.

To me, interviews should come after things have calmed down a bit and that is when genuine statements should be made about what happened (or at least whatever the public is allowed to know haha) and both sides of the story told. To go off regi's statement, if you want to be professional you have to act professional. 

Do you feel they were professional with this interview? I'm asking for opinion, don't take it as hostility haha I'm just openly curious to hear others thoughts. 


Edit: Them meaning xpecial and regi, I feel the interviewer was very professional haha

Kennheiser
Kennheiser

@IamExistence @Kennheiser I would think that that would be the manager's job (forgot what their manager's name is), and I think TSM does do a bit of "training" to help teammates get camera training as for when they're doing interviews. However, I kind of don't like the idea that they have prepared statements just cause it makes it feel less "genuine". I mean Chaox on his Facebook said that it's hard not having a PR guy handle business talks, so I'm assuming that TSM does have a PR team mainly in their manager.

heysupersteve
heysupersteve

@Rawzlekk123 @Xero_Persona OMG I could not agree more. I thought maybe Xpecial was just distant and awkward, but now that he's like "ya, we weren't that close" is really messed up. Watch your back Wildturtle, that's all I'll say.

Rawzlekk123
Rawzlekk123

@Tronickz @Xero_Persona @Rawzlekk123 The whole ordeal is just seeping with disrespect. 

Its a real shame, because I remember watching vlogs from a few years ago, and Reginald and Chaox and everyone acted like family. Time changes people, I guess :(.

Tronickz
Tronickz

@Xero_Persona @Rawzlekk123 

could not agree more, I normally am an avid Xpecial stream watcher, I find he shines a lot of interesting information in regards to support play style and seems to enjoy doing so as well. However, after watching the episode earlier today and seeing his reaction and then later on watching this interview, my opinion on his personal character has greatly changed. Chaox was basically an hour or two away from being gone for good, and he couldn't tell him to his face what he thought about everything, yet has a hostile "Tell All" in an interview after Chaox is on the other side of the country lol, Very sheepish, childish and quite the scumbag move Xpecial. Very disappointing. 

Xero_Persona
Xero_Persona

@Rawzlekk123 @Xero_Persona Yeah, and the whole "I never liked Chaox as a person." thing seemed a bit cruel. Xpecial is one of those passive-aggressive people that would never say stuff like that to someone's face. Pisses me off.

Tronickz
Tronickz

@LukySea @Omega_Rend @Haysooooom @Quirion_Xenosen 

Everyone here is right to an extent. Chaox fk'd up at Dallas, with his punctuality in regards to practice, if a major player in any major sport establishment were late, they would be fined and benched for X amount of games.Which Chaos wound up doing that to himself (Benching himself for a week after dallas, not the fine part), knowing that he had some stuff to work out and get right (as mentioned in the games crib ep.).

 Regi for all sakes and purposes for a better word is a bitch. He does hide behind the "I'm an owner" slogan too much. S1 and S2, Regi was the weak point and was carried all the way up to and through worlds. Great businesses are ran by people who perform the best they absolutely can, each and everyday and then some, and never expect more from someone else than they too would put in. Same goes for respect, respect is not given, it is earned, and that goes for personal or professional relationships, so if he's saying its a "Slap in the face" then where is the respect given to sit Chaox down and be like "yo this and this need to change or your out, not talking to you as a friend or teammate but as your boss" like he mentioned he was going to do, which would have shown a lot of respect, especially considering Dyrus/Oddone S2 fiasco, and more than likely would have gotten positive feedback in return by Chaox.

 If Regi really cared about the success of his "Business" he would choose to either A) quit the team and be the "Owner" or B) Be their mid player/friend/roommate and hand Ownership to someone else (Dan maybe?) with a contract clause of course which entitles him in some way. There is no room for personal ties in professionalism. Until that happens, its only a matter of time until the next piece of straw pwns the camel, so who's next?

LukySea
LukySea

@Omega_Rend @Haysooooom @Quirion_Xenosen @LukySea Do you even understand what happend at dallas... look at that, Regi even stated 'Lan practices are extremely importent" and chaox ran around and came 2 hours late while everyone else comes 10 minutes usually

Omega_Rend
Omega_Rend

@Haysooooom @Omega_Rend @Quirion_Xenosen @LukySea How does it not make sense? Here I'll dumb it down for you. Regi kicked Chaox for personal reasons not professional reasons. Regi has a secured job unless TSM roster changes with CLG to be in a position of potentially getting kicked from LCS.

Omega_Rend
Omega_Rend

@Quirion_Xenosen @Omega_Rend @LukySea @Haysooooom So why didn't he kick Dyrus when he is always late? He even says Dyrus is always late. Why didn't he kicked Oddone when he was late? Its very simple. Regi got along with them. Chaox and Regi have never really gotten along so therefore he didnt give Chaox the same generosity he gave Dyrus and Oddone. He straight up kicked him. If you honestly think TSM is in the same league as CLG with the falling behind, you must not really know the skill levels of all the other teams. For TSM to be in CLG's position of potentially getting kicked from LCS, they would have to roster change with CLG.

Quirion_Xenosen
Quirion_Xenosen

@Omega_Rend @Quirion_Xenosen @LukySea @Haysooooom Again with the stupidity. They had been losing plenty of games, currently sitting at third only AFTER going 3-0 with WildTurtle. You do realize if they fell below (like CLG is doing) they can get kicked out of LCS at mid - season right?

So, for you, its okay for him to stand up his team and not go to practices? My god, are you 12?

Omega_Rend
Omega_Rend

@Quirion_Xenosen @Omega_Rend @LukySea @Haysooooom He keeps saying they are done after this season anyways! So the fact is they aren't getting kicked out of LCS during the season unless of course they get banned by the awesome Tribunal system these days. Regi's career isn't on the line for this season is my point! For those saying also I'm only looking at it the emotional point of view, did you not watch Chaox carry in Dallas? Not sure how he professionally isnt doing the job he gets paid to do and thats play a video game. LCS doesn't care how late he was to practice, they just care about is he actually in the matches when scheduled.

Haysooooom
Haysooooom

I totally agreed .. inb4 another comment justifying more more and failing more and more


Quirion_Xenosen
Quirion_Xenosen

@Omega_Rend @LukySea @Haysooooom You are a complete idiot. Of course his career is on the line! He explained it on the damn video, they are in danger of getting kicked out of the LCS, which means stop getting paid by Riot to play, that's HIS career. 

Like when? You are just a blind Chaox fanboy.

Omega_Rend
Omega_Rend

@LukySea @Omega_Rend @Haysooooom Its funny how his career isn't on the line though since he keeps hiding behind the "I'm the owner of this team" excuse. So he has job security, so of course the moment you get in his face, he'll replace you. However, he doesn't confess to any of his flaws ever. Even after someone calls him out, he ignores them and finds some excuse.

Haysooooom
Haysooooom

@LukySea ppl only looking at it from the emotional way " omg chaox we love chaox ,, fuck you regi #cut4chaox "
regi said everyone should act professional .. nuff said

LukySea
LukySea

@Omega_Rend @Haysooooom You are seriously not even putting any sense of logic in your argument in your point of view, even regi explained clearly WHY he had to. If one my workers are slacking off i defiantly do the same as regi did. He even stated everyone career is on the line this season so this is a solid decision for him and as a team

Omega_Rend
Omega_Rend

@hman9x @Omega_Rend @Haysooooom Its the same as if a sports fan says "he is understanding" of his favorite sports team. They don't even know the players, but they still justify themselves.

hman9x
hman9x

@Omega_Rend @HaysooooomQuote "I'm a very understanding person when it comes to TSM"  lol you don't even know these people.