EFMS: History of BioShock / System Shock

Danny explores the bloodline of one of the most influential franchises in first person roleplaying.

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323 comments
Jock9
Jock9

I really enjoyed the Bioshock series, particularly Bioshock Infinate. But I also remember where the origins of it came from, and as a PC gamer in my teens I played the likes of Deus Ex and System Shock 2, sadly I was too young to really enjoy System Shock the original. I did really enjoy the idea of first-person exploration, but with RPG elements like collectible logs, and finding out more of what happened on the space station, and the world in Deus Ex. This is just as prominent in more modern games like Fallout, Skyrim, and pretty much all RPG themed games. As for the original Bioshock, I adored it, but I can understand Danny in when he talks about Bioshock 2 being pretty much just a rehash of the original, and the mystery of rapture was gone.

No longer were you exploring to understand things, or delve deeper into what truly happened to Rapture. Plus it annoyed the hell out of me with certain glitches including one involving entering Rapture from the outside in the water, it was an impassible bug, and I've never got further than that point in any play-through I've attempted. But I've always come back to the the original Bioshock, as it did have some bugs but the quest to discover Rapture and it's secrets made me play it over and over again, just like Fallout 3, New Vegas, Skyrim, Oblivion, Dragon Age, the whole lot of them. Good reporting Danny, do more of these episodes on RPG games. FYI also, I did like your dig at the English, as a Scotsman it was enjoyable.  

iomor27
iomor27

Definitely anxious for the next one. Any change you could maybe do an episode on the Civilization series or maybe Everquest? Would be fun to see those.

vandalo82
vandalo82

Hi Danny. Great show. Watched every episode. When is the next coming out? I like the idea of a Lucasarts show, but you already made two of them (Point'n Click and Star Wars). So, what is it going to be about?

Cheers

pokemon4597
pokemon4597

What happened to no more breaks?  Is Danny sick or something?  Brain being devoured by a horde of skags?  I hope EFMS comes back soon, because it's by far the best show on Gamespot! 

KingofCabal
KingofCabal

DANNY! You must must must must make an escape from mount stupid about Lucasarts!!!!! Like this if you agree!!!

StarKiller2127
StarKiller2127

i do believe this may have been the first episode without a comment crying about resident evil 6 in some way.  but ya great show keep it up.. 

MikeFeeney431
MikeFeeney431

Danny, kickass use of Arrested Development clips!

"Beads????!!!!"

unikat
unikat

what happened to "Falling in love with Lara"? I want to see you playing Chivalry again :p

brunocj2
brunocj2

Great show. I never knew all that. Very interesting. Thanks Danneh.

CruiserCaptain
CruiserCaptain

I am also so super glad to see this show again. I was just wondering if it was gone. Glad you're well and back Danny. Missed ya on random Encaounter too.

Wensea10
Wensea10

GLad I started watching this show again; please keep having more episodes...

roguewave2
roguewave2

Escape from Mount Stupid always has most of the hilarious references I see on Gamespot! xD Danny, you're AWESOME!!!

ShinobiMedic
ShinobiMedic

In Bioshock Infinite, you kill people. <- Spoiler! :O

jubdeidamasta
jubdeidamasta

Bioshock 1 had so many fun ways to kill enemies, just not enough enemies(even on hard mode). However the game had a great setting and atmosphere.

jtrory
jtrory

Not to be a troll but for those of you hoping for a System Shock 3, just think about all the games recently that have come out as sequels to our beloved classics.... Duke Nukem Forver, Syndicate, even the new Deus Ex which holds very little in comparison to the original. Do we want a new System Shock or do we want them to leave it be and remain a glorious memory? I'm not sure....

dannyodwyer
dannyodwyer staff

So  I completed Infinite about 20 minutes ago. Yea, you guys should probably get it.

FidelSarcastro
FidelSarcastro

for some reason I feel I shouldn't post any spoilers...

The-Nax
The-Nax

Loved Bioshock 1 and 2. The atmosphere, combat and scavenging was just simply brilliant.

Enemies aswell tho, I can't handle creeps in FPS games - As in spiders, bugs and insects jumping in my face, gros me out. (only managed to get through skyrim due to mods removing the spiders) Splicers were quite fun, and the big daddys (and big sisters) proved a challenging battle every once a while. The little sisters were brilliant aswell. 

All in all, a big kudos to 2k and Irritional from me. Can't wait to try Infinite.

Other developers - Would you kindly stop adding spiders etc. in your RPG games :(

Gonefishing95
Gonefishing95

Oh god I laughed so much at the Irish/English joke :') (As a brit im allowed ;P)

scatterbrain007
scatterbrain007

I bought System Shock 2 when it was new.  I thought it dragged a bit too much so I eventually gave up on it, and very stupidly sold it to Gamestop (when they actually bought PC games) with a bunch of other games I didn't want at the time.  Back then I guess I liked playing through a game quickly, and anything that hindered me from that I'd get bored of  real fast.  Skip ahead a few years I'm feeling the regret of basically giving that game away.  Finally got it back and working on Windows 7 a year ago, and have just recently finished playing it about 2 or 3 weeks ago.  Spectacular game. Even for how old it is and how dated the graphics are, the gameplay and the atmosphere just makes all of that irrelevant.   System Shock 2 was just a great game. I don't finish many games..I get bored really easily, System Shock 2 kept me immersed and entertained.  Here's to HOPING for the return of SHODAN.

Ronin893
Ronin893

The 1st was and still is today a must play. Its true what they say about the 2nd but its still worth a playthrough imo. Wish i was playing it again for the 1st time.

eddyoshi
eddyoshi

Great episode! I really didnt know that system shock was related to bioshock, and that bioshock at first wasnt what it turned out to be and that the sequle wasnt made by irrational. Very informative indeed!

Vixenar
Vixenar

Great video, but like HellWolfHun said, many fans still hope for true SS3.


Bioshock series just can't beat the System Shock atmosphere. Not even the first Bioshock comes anywhere near it. Good games, but pretty far from System Shock 1 and 2, in my opinion. Shodan is charismatic villain and that world REALLY should be revisited. Ken Levine, Irrational Games, how about it?

ZombieKohhi
ZombieKohhi

I wish Sytem Shock 1 would get a release on GOG.com or Steam. I really want to play it!


HellWolfHun
HellWolfHun

Great episode! However, System Shock fans will never give up on SS3. I know I won't. :)

drmaf17
drmaf17

I never played System Shock but System Shock II is still the best game I have ever played. I last played it a few months ago and in terms of atmopshere and immersiveness its still extraordinary. Even the graphics are still credible despite its age. The only reason I'm still not playing is that it has simply aged beyond the point where any PC I currently own will run it. I like the Bioshocks but why was SHODAN never resurrected?

Strazman
Strazman

I absolutely loved the Thief and Deus Ex franchises.  And to this day, I am kicking myself for never playing the System Shock games.  How did I miss those??!!  Anyway, I agree completely - the original Bioshock was a work of art and exercise in innovation and pioneering gameplay.  Bioshock 2....ehhhh....yeah.  I can't wait to play Infinite tomorrow!  Ken Levine is an artist!


Oh.....and.....     EA...ruining game studios, tainting otherwise great games, and bullying developers since 1995!  Yay.

CieloPerso
CieloPerso

My brother just started playing these games for the first time a couple of days ago. He hasn't reached the point where you meet Andrew Ryan.  He just told me that he had expected the game to be a bit more "open" than it is and that it instead felt like something was pushing or leading him through the corridors of Rapture… I really wanted to spoil it and tell him why :-)

binderdundat
binderdundat

yeah the quip about bioshock two was spot on. It was necessarily good, but its there for people who werent ready to leave the city of rapture. I just didnt get my fill of it in bioshock 1, i needed more. MORE!

dannyodwyer
dannyodwyer staff

@vandalo82 I know right, I'm running out of things. This Friday will have one about the guys being Sensible Soccer and Cannon Fodder. A look back at retro studios and my favorite developer as a kid. Then there will be another soon after that. I had a backlog!

eLLiptiX
eLLiptiX

@jtrory To be fair Deus Ex: Invisible War was pretty much snubbed out and dwarfed by Human Revolution.  It may not have been as revolutionary as the original, but it is still a very respectable game for anyone's library.  I still to this day vomit a bit in my mouth that Invisible War was ever conceived.  

I think the mistakes have been learned when it comes to the Shock franchise, and if SS3 is ever pushed for I whole heartedly admit I will support its development..  until the day it's released and we find out it bombed..  then prepare for Death Incarnate  >:(

eLLiptiX
eLLiptiX

@dannyodwyer Would you recommend it for Playstation Move users?  Given this is a platform title, it appears the Playstation version is offering a bit more as far as substance is concerned with the Move capabilities.  

I don't ask this from a fanboy standpoint as I own all types of systems, I just appreciate the extra bang for my buck.

simulacraman
simulacraman

@dannyodwyer   Right when I was watching EFMS between rounds of cardiovascular nonsense for my sorry fat a$$. Well, not too fat. It's a matter of perspective. Right? Yeah. Perspective.

Still working on Bioshock. I smell a rat. This game is breaking my sorry fat a$$ into FPSs, at which I have been remarkably lame for an unfortunate period of time. Good thing I kept buying them.

  But enough about me.

  One more round.

  Thanks for the feature and rec. Looks pretty gnarly.

jtrory
jtrory

@Vixenar I think that's a little harsh. Other than the Half Life games I can't think of a game that has created such a unique and palpable atmosphere as the first (or even arguably second) Bioshock. I'm not saying System Shock didn't but to say that Bioshock didn't even come close is doing it a great injustice imo. The incredible architectural design in Bioshock alone is unmatched in any game even now.

dannyodwyer
dannyodwyer staff

@eLLiptiX @dannyodwyer I like Move, but I wouldn't put too much importance on regular games that have Move functionality crammed into them. The best Move games, are games made for Move. So Sport's Champions and Tumble I suppose.

KUNG-LO
KUNG-LO

@Rudorlf @Vixenar All Irrational needs to do is make a new game  based in modern/Sci-Fi time period  and call it "Future Shock"

Vixenar
Vixenar

@Rudorlf @Vixenar You said it :) ...I wonder how many rabid fans would rally behind a SS3 kickstarter project in a heartbeat. Considering the demand and following the series has, I bet we'd be looking at Project Eternity / Torment Numenera numbers. Come on IG, DO IT!