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Vekit
Vekit

if you want to be able to play dota, playing pubs and watching pros play ,those are ways to goyou wont' learn much playing with bot DotA community is hostile ,name-calling and arrogantbut listen to what those arrogant had to say,that's only way to learn and grow as a player 

Scorpion1813
Scorpion1813

One thing I have been wondering - and I've seen this mentioned a lot - when supporting a carry, you are supposed to let them get all the last hits and only do denies and maybe a bit of harassing.

 

What I don't get is how you are supposed to gain enough EXP to keep up with everyone else using this strategy.

 

Also, would it be possible to go into depth about all the various roles, and possible explain some basic tips for strength and intelligent characters (we were told ranged agility are good in mid - or is that just good for all ranged - who would be suited for top and bot?? etc etc).

 

Thanks for doing these videos. I haven't had chance to play Dota properly yet and a lot of the guides I have read have seemed to be aimed at players with at least some experience and knowledge of the game (even those claiming to be for noobs).

cyberslik
cyberslik

ed,dude,u didnt feed,u got a kill,well u werent a smart ass noob as well.gj(dats gud job)

cyberslik
cyberslik

lol,ok,now the weaver was just showing off

elancion
elancion

hey ed, you sly cat you. now i see why ur so interested in dota 2. hey more power to you champ. remember to be subtle playa.

illmatic87
illmatic87

I have a tendency to never leave a man getting ganked behind.

 

I should take note.

 

hatespark1234
hatespark1234

after 7 years playing Dota and now playing Dota 2 about 800 hours , I have to say Dota 2 is everything Dota players ever wished for . and that's enough to say it's the best game of the genre ... I have to say LoL is a different game from Dota and it's a lot easier to play ... Dota 2 is the real deal , it's that exciting , challenging , rewarding game every gamer ( by that I don't mean those who can't play Max Payne 3 because it's "too hard" :D ) has been waiting for ... if you get good at it , you will enjoy it to the max . 

UpInSmoke0803
UpInSmoke0803

Another good video, and I especially appreciated the lesson on juking; very helpful.  I may have to go invest in a decent gaming rig, so I can give DOTA a shot.  Oh how I miss PC gaming....

Aldrenean
Aldrenean

Please, please, please, either fix your video player to allow skipping to unloaded sections, or crossupload these to youtube.  

zigmars_r
zigmars_r

looks like warcraft2 with better graphics

the26er
the26er

Ed, you were dead on about one thing: you were not contributing to the fight. However, you have just a few games under your belt against bots, so don't get discouraged. I have played over 650 pub games and know every hero well. Surely, you realize it takes a lot of time and effort...like everything in life. No shortcuts or free rides, son.

Rinop
Rinop

ancient is a kind of new hero ?? :)

eldanon
eldanon

I want to join Digeman in saying "Thanks guys for doing these!". I used to be a PC gamer a decade ago, switched to consoles and just got back into PC gaming several months ago. I've never played or seen a MOBA game... got my invite for Dota about a month ago, logged in, tried to play a bot game and had NO IDEA what in the world I was supposed to do so I never bothered logging in again.

 

These diaries got me to understand the basics and after watching the first two episodes, I did a lot of digging, watching youtube, reading guides and been playing bots for the last few days. Wowie, what an amazing game and I'm just scratching the surface. So thanks Ed and Zorine for doing these because it introduced me to my new favorite game.

Zaknaifen
Zaknaifen

This video was an excellent example of just how hectic a real 5v5 game is, and experiencing the sheer number of things going on at once will get you used to typical gameplay scenarios. Some thoughts/suggestions.

 

- AA (Ancient Apparition) is not a damage dealer. His usual role is a support, where he picks up healing/mana regen items in order to assist his team. In this role, he should be letting you take last hits/focusing more on denies, since his strengths aren't as dependent on money. His normal skills slow/freeze your opponent, so comboing with drow's ice arrows can stifle an opposing hero's movement speed, thus leading to easy kills.

 

- Ed could benefit greatly in games by explaining the strengths/weaknesses of the enemy heroes he is lane-ing against. Knowing that Vengeful Spirit has a guaranteed-to-hit stun and a swap will affect his positioning when he's moving around the lane during the first 10-15 minutes.

 

- Ice Arrow actually has a longer range than Drow’s normal attack (625 vs. 600). Use this to your advantage to harass enemy heroes, especially melee/ones with a shorter range (Example: Vengeful Spirit only has an attack range of 400)

 

- Get used to knowing the next item you’re going to buy and how much it costs, so you can purchase it as soon as you as you have the money to do so. This is also beneficial in case you die, since you’ll lose less gold if you spend it ahead of time.

 

- Personally, I feel it’s a poor choice to build Crystalys/Daedalus this early and before completing your boots. Doing more damage and having a critical strike are nice and all, but it’s an expensive item to get that early in the game. Also, critical strikes won’t deal that much more damage earlier on, when your base damage output is lower. Focusing on getting Power Treads or Phase Boots first, would both raise your damage, mobility, and in the case of Power Treads, attack speed or more life. After that, a Manta Style or Shadow Blade can give you some movement speed and survivability. Lastly, consider getting a wand early on. It’s nice to have some HP/Mana regen during fights when you need a small boost to let you live or cast a spell.

 

- Getting an 1 early level of Silence can be a smart move when you want to get away from enemy heroes or assist your team mates in a fight.  

 

Just my two ¢s.

Blackrasor
Blackrasor

Buying a TP at lvl 1? With a drow ranger that the only support she can give in the form of top at that point of the game is a slow that is almost not noticeable. Buy more damage and level up aura most of the times at lvl 1 to facilitate last hitting.

srbbnd
srbbnd

game is like crack, carpel tunnel is in the near future.

Digeman
Digeman

As a gamer that's been playing games for a long time and is looking for new types of games and experiences one might've "missed out" on (never played rts's or dota or t he like either) i just wanna say that i super apreciate this show since (specifically the rts genre) is a pretty tough genre to get into. Definitely gonna check out DOTA 2 now cuz of this show! =D 

 

Ps: would be awesome if someone could do a show about starcraft 2 aswell! =D

TehIce98
TehIce98

 @Scorpion1813 The exp is shared and if u deny the opposing team will get less exp, and carries in a pro game are generally left to solo to get the most farm and exp while supports roam around to help, but you still get a decent amount of exp even if you don't get the last hit, you wouldn't be that far away

Zorine
Zorine moderator staff

 @Scorpion1813 Thanks for your questions Scorpion1813. I will do my best to address them in the next video!

neerajkumar_4
neerajkumar_4

 @Scorpion1813 Supports should concentrate on holding lanes, buying wards, courier, smokes, etc... you will get exp and  gold by winning ganks. 

The lane setup varies, ideally Radiant carry is safe at bot lane. Certain high level pub or clan matches u can see 3 bot 1 mid & top solo, where 2 supports harass the opponents and carry does the farming. Few characters go jungle. There is a lot to learn in DotA, anyways just give it time and you will learn :)

Epicurus-Reborn
Epicurus-Reborn

 @hatespark1234 thats so exciting! i loved dota for years, and LOL i found to be more a let down. But dota aged a little too much for me in the past 3 years. I cant wait for this game!!

 

Zorine
Zorine moderator staff

 @Aldrenean Hey Aldrenean! Don't know if you're aware but GameSpot has a youtube channel which our videos are uploaded onto - the youtube link to this video can be found at www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M3560pMxpY

 

Enjoy!

doorselfin
doorselfin moderator

 @the26er Sweet, only about 649 more pub games to go! LET'S DO THIS.

elancion
elancion

 @JustSomeOrange

 i pretty sure ed can play much better,but think he was a bit distracted if you know what i mean hehe.

Darnasian
Darnasian

 @JustSomeOrange I'm not sure they are Asians...are they?

Anyway the girl knows what she's talking about

Zorine
Zorine moderator staff

 @Zaknaifen Hi Zaknaifen! I realise AA usually plays more of a support role but my mind totally blanked out at that moment.

 

Thank you for the feedback - I'll make sure Ed reads it well!

Darnasian
Darnasian

 @Digeman This show is about MOBAs and MMOs not RTS games...

And if you want to check DOTA 2 better start with another MOBA so you can get the basics until it comes out

elancion
elancion

 @neerajkumar_4

 looks like i wont be playing support than,sounds more like a job. not fun  

Digeman
Digeman

 @Darnasian You don't say? o.O (note the sarcasm)  I don't really understand what acronym MOBA's supposed to stand for but i'm guessing it's the LoL and Dota genre of games.

I agree that playing similar type of games would kindof teach me the basics of the genre but that would be way more timeconsuming than someone experienced actually explaining why and how you should play, not to mention small things like (last hit killing and the sort) would never have been something a n00b would think about unless someone actually mentioned it's a good tactic. 

Aaaand, me mentioning that they should also do a guide like this for starcraft (since rts games are infamous for beeing hard for n00bs) doesn't in any way mean that DOTA 2 is an rts :P

 

And finally, not to be all in your face or anything, (note the sarcasm again), but even though Dota per say might not specifically be an rts, if you know anything about the genre, you should also know know that Dota indeed stems from a little rts game known as Warcraft 3.

 

 

Aldrenean
Aldrenean

 @Darnasian Hm, I never got that from your comments.  Nothing wrong at all with playing the original DotA, of course, although for someone who's never played I think the WC3 interface is a much bigger barrier to entry, probably easier to pick up dota 2 for a modern gamer unless he happened to play a lot of old RTS games.

Darnasian
Darnasian

 @Aldrenean I was suggesting the original DotA since it's the same thing but whatever :/

Aldrenean
Aldrenean

 @Darnasian Man, you're nasty.  Dota 2 is going free to play, there are already a huge amount of people in the beta who have never played before, probably quite a few have never even played an RTS.  Solo queuing as a new player is the same experience as solo queuing for LoL or HoN, the only advantage to those games, as I stated above, would be their more robust tutorials, a feature that Valve is planning to implement very soon (probably next on the list after TI2.)  It is in no way "essential" to start on a different game, and if he spends too long playing LoL specifically, it will start to be more of a hindrance then a help to playing DotA well.  

Darnasian
Darnasian

 @Digeman Imma try and pretend I never read that last part...sorry to tell you but I know what "figure of speech" that is , I just take things for granted , and War 3 wasn't that well put in the formula and context...just saying

Anyway it's not that I'm too deep in the genre..it's just that's complicated and you gotta learn everything in order to be good

Anyway see you on the battlefield kid...

Darnasian
Darnasian

 @Aldrenean I was just giving my advice...why don't you stfu since it's essential advice

One question for you: DOTA 2 is unlike LOL and HON...there are no lvls and no rankings besides ranked games , how would it be if suddenly everyone that never jumped into a MOBA started playing this and they freaking suck

I'm not saying this guy sucks or anything...he might fking be new fNatic or navi player to the rooster , but it's fking annoying when the game is flooded with newbs...yes I said newbs not noobs

Aldrenean
Aldrenean

 @Digeman Don't listen to Darnasian, if you can get a Dota 2 invite jump right in.  LoL has a tutorial, that's literally the only reason it might be worthwhile to dip in to first.  But if you spend a couple months playing LoL, you'll grasp some of the basics but form a plethora of bad habits on top of that.  You've watched these videos, you should be able to just jump in to Dota 2 practice games.

Digeman
Digeman

 @Darnasian  Mah quote ”"I agree that playing similar type of games would kindof teach me the basics of the genre but that would be way more timeconsuming than someone experienced actually explaining why and how you should play” I fail to see where i said that you should only watch stuff like this and never actually practise by yourself aswell ;)

 

your quote "Let's see how you fair at last hitting on a solo lane with a melee champ/hero/whatever against a ranged one that's constantly harrasing you and he's positioning himself behind your creep wave so you cannot farm...

Not so easy now is it?"

 

Ahaha indeed it isn't easy, which is my point exactly, and i thank you for making it even more clear ;)

 

Another awesome quote: "And finally DotA was a custom mode made by the fans of Warcraft 3...a game where I competed in numerous Blizzard contests and Warcraft 3 is no little RTS....Game of the Year in 2002 on numerous gaming web sites and the third most played RTS in  Asia

Like I said DotA doesn't stem from Warcraft 3 as a game feature"

this quote is hilarious xD Not only because it's written by someone that's obviously already very into this specific type of genre (probably too much for their own good aswell,) but also when someone says "a little *blank* know as", it's a figure of speech which actually....you know what nevermind, you'll learn about all that when you grow up ;P 

 

Darnasian
Darnasian

@Digeman

No shit? (note the sarcasm)

MOBA=Multiplayer Online Battle Arena and it's it's own genre being a hybrid between over the top dungeon crawler RPGs and RTSs

RTSs are not hard for noobs at least not against the A.I. and the campaign but in e-sports yes

You make last hitting sounds so easy but it's not...

You need practice not just knowing the existence of it

Basically every player that wanted to experience more MOBAs besides DotA knew about last hitting even in LOL at lvl 1 where you would be called a newb or a noob how casuals spell it although newb and noob are 2 different things

Let's see how you fair at last hitting on a solo lane with a melee champ/hero/whatever against a ranged one that's constantly harrasing you and he's positioning himself behind your creep wave so you cannot farm...

Not so easy now is it? Like I said you need a little bit of practice and not for the last hit part because it's not hard to calculate when to strike but the part where you are close enough to grab the farm

 

And finally DotA was a custom mode made by the fans of Warcraft 3...a game where I competed in numerous Blizzard contests and Warcraft 3 is no little RTS....Game of the Year in 2002 on numerous gaming web sites and the third most played RTS in  Asia

Like I said DotA doesn't stem from Warcraft 3 as a game feature...is in fact a community mod made by guinsoo , icefrog and many others

So yeah...basically you said something partially true there but not that well...

Just saying...I'm not saying to insult you but to let you know the actual facts

 

Darnasian
Darnasian

 @LtJef Nope it's not...MOBA = Multiplayer Online Battle Arena and it's no sub genre of rts it's actually a combination of over the top dungeon crawler RPG with RTS

LtJef
LtJef

 @Digeman A MOBA is a sub genre of the RTS genre.  So you're both right!!!  :)