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#1 yoyo462001
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[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] You'd think with FBI involvement the people would wise up and stop, I guess they're too cocky by half. Hopefully a few will get nailed and the others will listen to reason.blue_hazy_basic
The people making this attacks are probably out of USA jurisdiction where the FBI can't do s*.

If you can trace where they are launching these attacks from you can get them. Sony are a multinational corp and can go after people where ever, plus its not like most countries lack an extradition system.

Yeah I'd like to see the Russians or the Chinese extradite their own.
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Speaking as a graduate in Economics, everything costs, regardless of the item or thing. Painting your room costs; if you were hire someone they would charge you a fee, if you were to do it yourself it doesn't means painting your room costs nothing. In a simple way you're paying yourself but because of this there is actually no transaction. Sony giving you free features doesn't not mean it does not cost money, they are simply taking on that cost.

I wont argue the ethics of it because I'm an economist not a lawyer, but principally, everything costs money, just that it falls on different shoulders.

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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Brownesque"]No offence but the leading Economists and Economic journals will not touch anything to do with Psychology or marketing. They keep there economics empirical and objective. I study economics (if you haven't noticed :p ) and all these things such as false information and advertising don't play a big role in economics research since we take the assumption of rational individuals. However I won't get into that since it's a not interesting to your average person and has a statistical reason to it.Brownesque
Economists are scholars and researchers. They're not businesspeople. And it shows. That's where the assumption comes in. Businesses focus on pretty borders, color schemes, and zoom wow marketing campaigns. And then they look long and hard at their bottom line. If you're willing to admit it's an assumption, don't bother. If you're not willing to give me any statistics or data that support your "assumption" (your word), again, don't bother. If you're not watching the psychotic episodes some people go through when purchasing things (see this "Legendary Edition" craze), your economics means ****-all. I've watched people make irrational decisions. It's scary. Suffice to say I'm not convinced just because somebody can quote economics 101. And if you didn't notice, videogaming is totally unnecessary. It's the entertainment industry. It's the definition of irrational. The entire business is totally useless nonsense dealing with subconscious desires and impulses from the get-go.

I guess you haven't heard of microeconomics then. Economists will research into things like profit maximisation and to be honest I think everyone should learn basic economics at a young age as it teacher you to understand the motives of firm. All of those things you mentioned that business focus on can by explained by microeconomics. Support my assumption?? I'm giving you the fundamental economic assumption of individuals, the assumption which nearly every economist uses. Then again what would be the point in me giving you this, it wouldn't be a nice page of words it would be hundreds of pages of of econometric, mathematic and statistical formulae. I'm merely highlighting the key assumption. You can dispute it all you like, but chances are that you can't disprove one of the fundamental assumptions of economics.
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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Gamtrix"] NO. Your wrong, I've payed for Xbox Live and I HATE it, I KNOW it's wrong, but what else am I going to do use the 360 as a paperweight? It's the better of 2 evils, it's not the right choice. It's either give up on the conosle or pay.... Gamtrix

Great you've shown what I was saying. You've weighed up the costs and benefits and have seen that you value live at X price more than you value having a xbox 360 as a paperweight. To highlight this choice, take this scenario. XBL increases to 10000 per day, what do you do? You don't pay for it and use the 360 as a paperweight. This just shows that you are willing to pay up to a certain unto the costs outweigh the benefits.

Exactly my point, they take it to the highest extreme possible. It's wrong and greedy. I know very well how business works dude, you don't need to explain the painfully obvious. THis isn't a shareholders meeting either, it's a gaming forum full of consumers. So start acting like one.

I am a consumer and I wont be buying Live after September 23 since I have other priorities and better things to do with my money. Companies want to squeeze you for all you got and we want them to give us things for as cheap as possible. I'm just showing that it's a two way struggle.
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[QUOTE="Gamtrix"] Man 360 fans are really reaching, I see people say "What's the point in complaining if your not going to buy it anyway?" then people say "What's the point in complaining if your going to buy it anyway?" Wth man? People complain because it's wrong... If we shut up and bend over it'll only get worse, you should be thanking us otherwise you'd probably be paying even more.Brownesque

NO. If you pay for it then you value it at that price. If the price was truly 'wrong' (subjective) then no one would buy it. If MS have XBL at 5.99 and no one paid for it they would lower it. Please learn some basic microeconomics.

Economics is not reducible down to supply and demand. There's a reason they study aspects of psychology and aesthetics in marketing. A lot of this stuff comes down to people's desires, or manipulating people, rather than giving them what they actually want. Sometimes it's a matter of getting a hold of their compulsions or stroking their ego. And always....always....there is the issue of spin doctoring, false advertising, and a lack of education. If people are not aware of the alternatives, they will make bad decisions. It's the same reason that most usually people will not vote for the most honest or effective politician, or even the one that represents them best....they will often vote for winning politicians or the one that strikes them as most attractive. The fact that incumbents (best known politicians, particularly in local districts) and the people that spend the most money campaigning have high correlations with success really cements the fact that it doesn't just come down to a perfectly rational arrangement of individual cost-benefit analysis.

No offence but the leading Economists and Economic journals will not touch anything to do with Psychology or marketing. They keep there economics empirical and objective. I study economics (if you haven't noticed :p ) and all these things such as false information and advertising don't play a big role in economics research since we take the assumption of rational individuals. However I won't get into that since it's a not interesting to your average person and has a statistical reason to it.
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[QUOTE="Gamtrix"] Man 360 fans are really reaching, I see people say "What's the point in complaining if your not going to buy it anyway?" then people say "What's the point in complaining if your going to buy it anyway?" Wth man? People complain because it's wrong... If we shut up and bend over it'll only get worse, you should be thanking us otherwise you'd probably be paying even more.Gamtrix

NO. If you pay for it then you value it at that price. If the price was truly 'wrong' (subjective) then no one would buy it. If MS have XBL at 5.99 and no one paid for it they would lower it. Please learn some basic microeconomics.

NO. Your wrong, I've payed for Xbox Live and I HATE it, I KNOW it's wrong, but what else am I going to do use the 360 as a paperweight? It's the better of 2 evils, it's not the right choice. It's either give up on the conosle or pay....

Great you've shown what I was saying. You've weighed up the costs and benefits and have seen that you value live at X price more than you value having a xbox 360 as a paperweight. To highlight this choice, take this scenario. XBL increases to 10000 per day, what do you do? You don't pay for it and use the 360 as a paperweight. This just shows that you are willing to pay up to a certain unto the costs outweigh the benefits.
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Uh, ya we are (America).

Last time I checked the USA had a quarter of growth.

Not gonna get into this here (for obvious reasons), but it's not looking good.

I think what you mean is growth slowed down in the last quarter.
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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

How is complaining ridiculous? If anything at least you can vent your disapproval of the price increase.

Gamtrix

What's the point in complaining and still buying something, just means you complain yet are not 100% against it.

Man 360 fans are really reaching, I see people say "What's the point in complaining if your not going to buy it anyway?" then people say "What's the point in complaining if your going to buy it anyway?" Wth man? People complain because it's wrong... If we shut up and bend over it'll only get worse, you should be thanking us otherwise you'd probably be paying even more.

NO. If you pay for it then you value it at that price. If the price was truly 'wrong' (subjective) then no one would buy it. If MS have XBL at 5.99 and no one paid for it they would lower it. Please learn some basic microeconomics.

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#9 yoyo462001
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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"]lol, so in a recession Microsoft raises the price while Sony continues to offer most of the same features for free. The $100 price difference between a PS3 and a 360 just got even smaller.Chutebox
We are not in a recession, check your facts.

Uh, ya we are (America).

Last time I checked the USA had a quarter of growth.
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#10 yoyo462001
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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Many things are luxuries, that doesn't mean we shouldn't complain about prices when they go up.

Espada12

Complain all you want but XBL isn't an essential, complaining is rather ridiculous. Real differences are done with your money.

How is complaining ridiculous? If anything at least you can vent your disapproval of the price increase.

What's the point in complaining and still buying something, just means you complain yet are not 100% against it.