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#2  Edited By worker
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@Zero_epyon said:
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@Zero_epyon said:
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This is more about the SW score game than actually getting a game based on the review. I'm not saying people should use just GS when making a purchasing decision.

But the same logic should apply to whether a game "flops" or not, there's only one meaningful rating metric for anything and it's an aggregate.

The viewpoint of a single individual should never be the standardization for anything.

It's perfectly fine when it's being discussed on one of those review sites. We're on GS and this is a GS community. It's not crazy to count the GS score as a standard for a GS community game.

The problem is that old system which is now defunct perpetuates a game as being in a state of failure or raging success if it does/doesn't reach its hype, it makes for meaningless arguments and debates around this place for the lesser of the community and causes nothing but problems, it fuels fanboy vitriol.

A place such as this can exist without all of the nonsense and it should, this place being System Wars doesn't mean it needs to be some devolved cancer. Take the recently scored Halo Wars 2, its score a 6 here which is 2.1 or 21 points below where it sits aggregated, that's a huge disparity, and as a result people are arguing that it's trash and only latching onto that 6. Look at The Last of Us, look at what that did to that game around here because it got an 8, look at The Last Guardian, and how that's working in reverse because it got a 9 here but only sits at an 82 aggregated, it's a nonsensical system.

I say just toss it out, and it appears that it kind of has been, but not really.

I think you're trying to take System Wars way too seriously.

No, I'm taking it exactly as it presents itself, sadly.

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#3  Edited By worker
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@cainetao11 said:
@worker said:

You're a little off the map in terms of what's going on here, just a wee bit... He's probably going around trying to build relationships, give developers/publishers reasons to work with them. The biggest issue Xbox has with the Japanese market is not the Japanese game market itself, it's the lack of continued Japanese support on the platform. If Xbox had a continued stream of Japanese games similar to PlayStation it would become normalized and the games would sell. The reason Japanese games don't do that well on Xbox is because they are so sparsely released that people which are a fan of these games do not buy the platform as it's not currently viable for it, PlayStation is much more viable.

If he can get a bevy of releases in the works and keeps focusing on it, he could greatly open the scope of the system to other demographics.

@blufalconultra said:

Scorpio is not going to be native 4K btw.

Of course it will.

Well that's one opinion. Doesn't coincide with the latest from Platinum on why no Nier for Xbox. They say it is very much about Japanese market for Xbox not being strong.

What does the localized Japanese market have anything to do with the rest of the world where the bulk of sales come from? Just because a system is not doing well there has no bearing on how software would do outside of their bubble, that's a pretty terrible scapegoat rationalization.

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#4  Edited By worker
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@Zero_epyon said:
@worker said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@worker said:

So there's absolutely no standardization which means that none of this amount to anything regardless, just throw it out or go off of an aggregate. It's pointless to use a singular metric of weighing something as no person would actually do that for any decision they make.

If you use an aggregated score it allows more freedom of choice in hyping something and gives a better idea of where something actually stands from a broad view of difference subjective viewpoints.

I wouldn't buy a game off of what you say alone as I would hope the same would apply to me as well, so using any single opinion to determine the worth or standing of a game is nonsense.

This is more about the SW score game than actually getting a game based on the review. I'm not saying people should use just GS when making a purchasing decision.

But the same logic should apply to whether a game "flops" or not, there's only one meaningful rating metric for anything and it's an aggregate.

The viewpoint of a single individual should never be the standardization for anything.

It's perfectly fine when it's being discussed on one of those review sites. We're on GS and this is a GS community. It's not crazy to count the GS score as a standard for a GS community game.

The problem is that old system which is now defunct perpetuates a game as being in a state of failure or raging success if it does/doesn't reach its hype, it makes for meaningless arguments and debates around this place for the lesser of the community and causes nothing but problems, it fuels fanboy vitriol.

A place such as this can exist without all of the nonsense and it should, this place being System Wars doesn't mean it needs to be some devolved cancer. Take the recently scored Halo Wars 2, its score a 6 here which is 2.1 or 21 points below where it sits aggregated, that's a huge disparity, and as a result people are arguing that it's trash and only latching onto that 6. Look at The Last of Us, look at what that did to that game around here because it got an 8, look at The Last Guardian, and how that's working in reverse because it got a 9 here but only sits at an 82 aggregated, it's a nonsensical system.

I say just toss it out, and it appears that it kind of has been, but not really.

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@Zero_epyon said:
@worker said:
@Zero_epyon said:
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@Chutebox said:

People are trying to make this shit unnecessarily complicated. Flop or not from GS. If you wanna talk about the score in general, feel free to use MC.

So from my understanding there is no real metagame anymore, and people can leverage whatever metric they want, correct? (stupid if you ask me)

So the game reached its 9/10 hype for this singular website, but the alternative metric of Metacritic which is the general consensus of compiled reviews, the game is a flop as it's sitting below a 90/100.

Yeah but people are hyping for a 9 here and not for a MC score which can differ greatly from the GS score. That's why I hyped with both scores.

So there's absolutely no standardization which means that none of this amount to anything regardless, just throw it out or go off of an aggregate. It's pointless to use a singular metric of weighing something as no person would actually do that for any decision they make.

If you use an aggregated score it allows more freedom of choice in hyping something and gives a better idea of where something actually stands from a broad view of difference subjective viewpoints.

I wouldn't buy a game off of what you say alone as I would hope the same would apply to me as well, so using any single opinion to determine the worth or standing of a game is nonsense.

This is more about the SW score game than actually getting a game based on the review. I'm not saying people should use just GS when making a purchasing decision.

But the same logic should apply to whether a game "flops" or not, there's only one meaningful rating metric for anything and it's an aggregate.

The viewpoint of a single individual should never be the standardization for anything.

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#6 worker
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@misterpmedia said:
@drrollinstein said:

@misterpmedia: MULTIPLE DEADLINES.

Plus it's been years. So. Sounds a lot like Kamiyas fault.

Platinum don't seem to have had trouble with other games they've been involved with... hmm...

Has Platinum ever had two games releasing in near tandem that would possibly cannibalize each other? Letting development slip on one would ensure that the other succeeds.

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#7 worker
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@Zero_epyon said:
@worker said:
@Chutebox said:
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@kvally said:

I think we need to clarify the flop/hype rules. The way I did it this time around was giving my GS score and MC score. I think if we're going to use both, hype threads should as for both. For example, for me 88 is not a flop since I called 75 on MC. But if the average was 90 then it would have been a flop.

People are trying to make this shit unnecessarily complicated. Flop or not from GS. If you wanna talk about the score in general, feel free to use MC.

So from my understanding there is no real metagame anymore, and people can leverage whatever metric they want, correct? (stupid if you ask me)

So the game reached its 9/10 hype for this singular website, but the alternative metric of Metacritic which is the general consensus of compiled reviews, the game is a flop as it's sitting below a 90/100.

Yeah but people are hyping for a 9 here and not for a MC score which can differ greatly from the GS score. That's why I hyped with both scores.

So there's absolutely no standardization which means that none of this amount to anything regardless, just throw it out or go off of an aggregate. It's pointless to use a singular metric of weighing something as no person would actually do that for any decision they make.

If you use an aggregated score it allows more freedom of choice in hyping something and gives a better idea of where something actually stands from a broad view of difference subjective viewpoints.

I wouldn't buy a game off of what you say alone as I would hope the same would apply to me as well, so using any single opinion to determine the worth or standing of a game is nonsense.

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#8  Edited By worker
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@Chutebox said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@kvally said:

I think we need to clarify the flop/hype rules. The way I did it this time around was giving my GS score and MC score. I think if we're going to use both, hype threads should as for both. For example, for me 88 is not a flop since I called 75 on MC. But if the average was 90 then it would have been a flop.

People are trying to make this shit unnecessarily complicated. Flop or not from GS. If you wanna talk about the score in general, feel free to use MC.

So from my understanding there is no real metagame anymore, and people can leverage whatever metric they want, correct? (stupid if you ask me)

So the game reached its 9/10 hype for this singular website, but the alternative metric of Metacritic which is the general consensus of compiled reviews, the game is a flop as it's sitting below a 90/100.

Is this accurate?

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@hrt_rulz01 said:

@worker: Exactly my point.

If people intentionally act as if they can't see that then don't bother talking to them, it's not worth your time.

They're both games which are rated above average and they're both 8's.

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#10 worker
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Ugh, those are only GameSpot scores, a game needs to be leveraged by its general consensus of reviews to get a proper idea of where it stands, and even then a game can be viewed as good or bad by an individual regardless of where the general consensus falls.

This thread was poorly thought out.

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