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#1 rastotm
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[QUOTE="rastotm"]

Btw the Netherlands tend to have troubles during the formation. Portraying the non-voters as important because even that small group could have a dramatic impact on the formation process is your best bet. It remains a horrible subject to discuss about though.

 

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It is still a 20% difference between now and when The Netherlands had compulsory voting.

I know, arguing along those lines is your best bet. You should try to keep it basic though. 20% including blank votes and in a multi-party system is not that much. As I mentioned try to highlight the formation issues. You can further strengthen your point by explaining the stability issues in the recent years. I have to guess but I think that only one government made it the full 4 years in the last 20 years.

To clarify, I said it is a horrible subject to discuss because it is practically impossible to asses the value of voters. Democracy assumes informed citizens, which is very often not the case. In many ways, a non-voter is better than a uninformed voter.

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#2 rastotm
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Btw the Netherlands tend to have troubles during the formation. Portraying the non-voters as important because even that small group could have a dramatic impact on the formation process is your best bet. It remains a horrible subject to discuss about though.

 

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#3 rastotm
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[QUOTE="Makhaidos"] Then why boycott that system?Makhaidos

Why would you value the votes of the uninformed. How exactly does this benefit the nation in the long run?

Not everyone who chooses not to vote is uninformed--sometimes it's the polar opposite, really.

Name a type of non-voters that have a valuable opinion that may change the party forming process. I can't think of one.

Note that people who hate the system can and will cast blank votes under compulsory voting.
Note that forcing people to vote is unlikely to have a great impact on their motivation. It may even have adverse effects due to uninformed voting.
Note that the accessibility of the voting process in the Netherlands is excellent. The group of voters who just can't make is very small.

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#4 rastotm
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"] A compulsory system doesn't mean you have to vote for someone running. If you hate the candidates, write someone in or cast a blank ballot. If you're protesting the voting system, why are you living in a Democracy in the first place?Makhaidos

Probably because they were born in one, and have no particular desire to leave a place where they have family, friends, employment, common culture, etc., genius.

Then why boycott that system?

Why would you value the votes of the uninformed. How exactly does this benefit the nation in the long run?

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#5 rastotm
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People can vote to not vote in the Netherlands, I see no logical reason to introduce compulsory voting. The massive group of citizens who vote without thinking is far more problematic than those who refrain from voting anyway.

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#6 rastotm
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Switzerland says otherwise....Nibroc420
This.

Excellent argument. The gun politics in Switzerland are definitely similar to the gun politics in the US.

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#7 rastotm
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The pleasure derived from money hits a softcap quite fast, simply because a significant amount of the satisfaction gained by money is the result of longing for the bought product. So as weird as it may sound, being able to buy most of the things you want at the time you want it tends to have a negative impact on the satisfaction gained.

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#8 rastotm
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Governments tend to be incompetent when the vast majority of citizens vote without thinking. The future remains bleak as long as people continue on with blindly following the words of politicians, biased scientists and media. I hear alot of complaining, but that changes nothing when there is no one to stand up and act. It seems that the western world has become lazy when it comes to politics.

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#9 rastotm
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I'm so sick and tired of highly biased news sources and so many people falling for it. People read the news and forget any form of criticism as long as the news confirms their own beliefs. Seriously, since when is the growth comparison of a single year a reliable statistic? Climate change is known to have a huge variance, so 1 million sq. isn't a weird phenomena. The average size of the ice cap is still decreasing by 1% every year since 1980. Including the recent growth.

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#10 rastotm
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As far as I know, hosting an Olympics game is a massive moneysink and a investment that will never yield a positive return. Considering the debt of Spain and Tokyo, it should have gone to Istanbul.