This thread needs more QualiaSoup.domatron23

Gah, i was gonna post him here too.  I love his Putting faith in its place vid.

Well you can't really blame them for not trying to reach wider audiences. It does seem a bit pricey though. I'd probably have more fun with GTA4.domatron23

5 dollars is pricey? 

http://dailyscrewups.com/paw-fun/do-dogs-go-to-heaven-an-odd-and-funny-debate

Here's one i found.  

Weird, i can't see that jack chick pic i was talking about earlier anymore.   

[QUOTE="jackelhunter"]

I think this pic demonstrates why I would no longer consider myself a Christian.  The other stuff from the website is pretty damn hilarious, though. 

GabuEx

If I still believed that that was the real message in the Bible, I wouldn't be a Christian either. :P

Ha, his pictures aren't saving people, they're de-converting people like me.   He didn't expect that now did he?:o

I can't tell if this guy is an atheist troll or not... :?

bean-with-bacon

I think this pic demonstrates why I would no longer consider myself a Christian.  The other stuff from the website is pretty damn hilarious, though. 

[QUOTE="jackelhunter"]

Wow Gabu, that is quite interesting.  I always thought of hell as eternal seperation from God, but you've convinced me otherwise.  But that makes me wonder what exactly does satan rule over then?  Does he do this temporary punishment?  Will he and his demons brought back to God?  Those are some of the things I'm wondering. 

GabuEx

Well, the devil doesn't, actually - Revelation 20:10 says that the devil is also cast into the lake of fire and sulfur along with the beast and false prophet, just like the humans.  The image of the devil lording over the damned in hell, victorious in his evil desires, is a popularized depiction, but one that I don't think has any real Biblical basis.  An ultimately victorious devil necessarily implies an ultimately defeated God, perhaps one of the biggest problems I have with the doctrine of eternal torment or separation.

As for the final fate of the devil, I'm not sure.  To be honest, I sometimes wonder whether the devil is intended to be a literal evil being who exists unto himself, or if he is intended to be simply a personification of the darkest parts of humanity.  If it is indeed a real entity external to humanity, however, I personally lean strongly towards the side of the ultimate reconciliation of the devil himself, too, which was actually a position held by the masses in the earliest days of Christianity.  The way I see it, if we are to overcome evil with good (Romans 12:21) and if mercy triumphs over judgment (James 2:13), and if indeed God will be all in all (1 Corinthians 15:28 ), then I can scarcely imagine a more fitting triumph over evil than the salvation and reconciliation even of evil itself to the warmth and love of God.  "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." (Matthew 19:26)

While reading this, one of the things I thought is the whole issue of what in the bible is meant to be literal and what isnt. Because it seems satan is a key figure in the Bible, so its hard to say whether or not he is meant to be literal.  Wasn't Jesus himself tempted by the Devil?  

The strange thing is that many things in the Bible have been reconsidered after more discoveries in science are made (and in this case it's through studying the texts in Greek), but exactly how does one go about determining the different stories of the Bible as literal or not?  I know this is pretty vague, but you seem like the guy to ask this question.  

Is supernatural revelation the God actually appearing or a miracle or something like that? 

The definition of agnostic according to dictionary.com is a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. 

I believe that some sort of god/creator/sentient force or something like that does exist, but i do not know, and we might not ever know in our lifetimes, that it exists.  What the hell do I call myself?  The closest thing I can think of is an agnostic weak theist? or agnostic weak deist?  I think the difference between strong and weak is that strong means "we will never know in our lifetimes", yet weak means "we might know".  If that is true, why would one ever be strong?  That is a pretty bold claim, its like saying "we will not discover X in science in my lifetime".  How do you know that?  

This is getting really confusing.

Wow Gabu, that is quite interesting.  I always thought of hell as eternal seperation from God, but you've convinced me otherwise.  But that makes me wonder what exactly does satan rule over then?  Does he do this temporary punishment?  Will he and his demons brought back to God?  Those are some of the things I'm wondering.