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#1 dracosummoner
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Can't be anymore controversial than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eujwxh_r43E

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Was that Independence Day scene actually controversial (I don't remember) ? The thing, though, was that the people watching that movie knew that it was "just" a movie. The idea of terrorists infiltrating the White House is, on paper, actually physically plausible (their chances of getting past security and such notwithstanding).
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#2 dracosummoner
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Can't be anymore controversial than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eujwxh_r43E

cdav89
Was that Independence Day scene actually controversial (I don't remember) ? The thing, though, was that the people watching that movie knew that it was "just" a movie. The idea of terrorists infiltrating the White House is, on paper, actually physically plausible (their chances of getting past security and such notwithstanding).
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#3 dracosummoner
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i just got the game maybe a month ago but im just not starting to ply it ang get into it, the game is absolutely amazing! well....actually its exactly like everyone else says, "its Oblivion but with guns" for the most part and i LOVED oblivion.

my question is this, those damn dungeons are DARK! doesnt the pip boy have a light on it and how do you activate it? i thought i remmeber learning how to activate it back in vault 101?

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Besides the hold-B-to-turn-on-your-Pip-Boy option, you can also go into the Game Options and turn the brightness up to the maximum. (I hope I'm not making you feel stupid; I didn't realize I could do this either, until I got lost inside the Deathclaw Sanctuary [one of the darkest places in the game, and the map doesn't always help] and began looking online for help.) Just to warn you, though, this will make your screen really bright (but not quite unbearably so) when the sun reflects off of the charred, yellow rocks in certain areas.
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#4 dracosummoner
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[QUOTE="X-ColdRush-X"]Yeah I'm curious to see if anyone out there wont be buying it? It sometimes feels like I'm the only person in the universe who has no interest in it. I've never been a fan of the CoD games as they're just not my type of shooter. So am I alone? Or are there more of you out there?

I'm not going to buy it, either. I "enjoyed" what I played of the first Modern Warfare, both single- and multi-player, but I wasn't overwhelmed.
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#5 dracosummoner
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i find it quite staggering, and may I add is a sign of the sheer stupidity of the human race, how it can be acceptable for games to show extreme levels of violence and murder yet the smallest hint of any sexual content, something that is enjoyable to the human race and something we are 'meant' to do, the gaming community (or at least the censors, media, killjoys and ahem religious types) go nuts. I remember the first ever leisure suit larry way back in the 80's. The censors and killjoys were going crazy over what essentially were a few green monochrome pixels that vaguely resembled a woman with badly drawn jugs.wurd
Violence in games is generally not very palatable but is usually "justified." (The player is often endeavoring to "save the world" or "defeat the enemy regime" or fulfill another classic trope.) Not all games present "violence for the sake of violence" in the vein of Unreal Tournament and Mortal Kombat. Most games that actually allow "murder" (which is quite different from "killing") take the time to distinguish between killing and murder. Even the now-infamous "kill the civilians" scene (I'm not even sure if that constitutes a spoiler now, considering how much it's been in gaming news) from "a certain" ultra-popular upcoming game, has been disclaimed as something the developers obviously don't endorse. As for sex, what bothers me here is not so much the nudity (the only issue you addressed about sex at all) but the context. Most games with violence have at least something of a justification for it, but the vast majority of games I've seen that offer any sort of sexual interaction at all (e.g. Planescape: Torment and other role-playing games from that era, Mass Effect, Grand Theft Auto), portray sex as simply, as you put it, "something that is enjoyable to the human race," as though there are no real consequences for the people involved. I'm not talking about STDs or pregnancy; I'm talking about real and actual psychological consequences, good and bad, for the people involved. "Yes," I realize that "games are games," but if games are actually trying to tell *more* immersive stories, then games are only shooting themselves in the foot if they take something as ridiculously complex as sex and reduce it to "just something that people who are 'in love' [another term that needs to be rethought] do." In short, violence in games usually has a sensible context. Sex usually does not, and naturally I realize there are many exceptions in both cases. But let's take this: Imagine a game that "implies" that people have sex: the screen fades to black, the characters' relationship is further developed (maybe), for good or ill, and the game goes on. Would actually showing the sex improve the game? (That's not a rhetorical question.) Why is the sex in there in the first place -- for the sake of character development or for the sake of gratifying the player?
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#6 dracosummoner
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call of duty 2 and 3 are a good bet because they have long campaigns also if you have live you can get call of duty 1 off xbox liveand call of duty finest hour and big red one are backwards compatible.

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Thanks for the contribution. I didn't know that Call of Duty 1 was on Xbox Live (that, or I'd forgotten). I hope the person asking about Call of Duty games finds something s/he likes (especially with eight choices).
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#7 dracosummoner
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[QUOTE="RDOTR"]Hi I was thinking of gettin a Call of Duty game for my 360 but cant decide which one...? I dont want one that is way to long and over complicated as I have studies to think about, something enjoyable would be preferable. Good storyline is a must to, I'll be playing single player btw. which one would you recommend..? RDOTR
HELLO!?

Well, in all fairness, the system does have several different options -- Call of Duty 2 and 3 are still available, besides just having Modern Warfare, World at War, and the upcoming Modern Warfare 2. ... Wow, five franchise entries, one system. (And I don't know if the Xbox Call of Duty titles, Finest Hour and Big Red One, are backward-compatible with the Xbox 360 or not.)
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I've yet to see sex in video games used in a manner that was stimulating, interesting, or at all believable, which is quite a failure considering we're talking about practically the most hard-wired excitement human beings possess (woe to desensitivity? I think not). Yet I'm still all for it. Practice makes perfect, and I suggest that perfection is desired for the following reason:

Games as an art form must ultimately mean games as a medium for telling a story. Even most highly respected games don't make this cut: I'd be the last to suggest that Starcraft is an unimportant (or unfun) game that didn't shape the role of video games in culture, but was it a masterpiece like The Godfather was a masterpiece? The Godfather altered the way people think about crime and introduced the romance of the mobster. Starcraft's only cultural impact that I can think of is that it altered the way westerners view asian gamers, and that not by the story of the game itself. Games, if they ever want to reach that rarefied level of creation called 'art', must be about stories, which are ultimately about human people and their desires and fears, their strengths and weaknesses, their triumphs and failures. Sex is part of the story of humanity, from crazy ol' cave-drawings, to Adam and Eve, to the Arabian Nights, to the 1896 May Irwin's Kiss (the first kiss on film), to Herbal Essence's marketing campaign. Sex must be confronted eventually, and why not? People dream of it, they raise it up on the highest pedestal and drag it down through the deepest muds, they go to ludicrous lengths to get it and once gotten sometimes cast it away without a second thought. In a word, it's exciting, for both mind and body. If games want to ever be taken seriously and I mean seriously in the sense of Armond White film criticisms (and not World of Warcraft's profits, which are admittedly FO' SRS), then they're going to have to confront sex.

Course even if you find this whole games as art a bunch of hogwash, then what care have you about it? Sex can be entertaining even if it's exploitative.

Either way, you win by practice makes perfect.

As for the idea that we should concentrate on love before sex, what is this the 1920s? Whether you like it or not, sex and love in modern western culture have become somewhat divorced. I prefer my stories to confront the reality of society, not some wishy washy Disneyland version of it (unless, y'know, it's a disney game in a disney world). Not that I'm saying that romances in games don't need serious work, just that it's silly to think games ought to be used as some sort of medium for teaching morality (luckily I don't think they're in any danger of that ;O).

Xenrathe
"Wishy-washy Disneyland version of society" ? Welcome to the world of modern (and, to some extent, classical) romance. Hence why people are complaining in the first place. Also, if we don't "concentrate on love before sex," then sex (which has little if any inherent value) loses all of its meaning. Compare to all of the people who wanted to see love stories done "right" before dealing with sex. Anyone can insert a few throwaway "I-love-yous" before having their characters engage in intercourse, but what the industry needs is a change in the ways and the reasons it chooses to tell love stories in the first place.
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#9 dracosummoner
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if you dont own halo 3 then odst is a must have

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As for me, I do own Halo 3, and I don't have Live ... but I love the Halo campaigns and find myself playing and replaying them. Will I enjoy ODST, or should I go with one of my other ~$60 plans (Arkham Asylum or Mass Effect+Bioshock, the latter of which I've partially played) ?
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#10 dracosummoner
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why the **** not?!? now that we have Infinity Ward with the balls toinclude a virtual massacre of civilians in MW2, to suck you in to the world of their game,games are clearly becoming more mature themed. developers like Bioware already try representcomplex human relations in their games, of which sex can be a part. they just need to take it a step forward and make it competely revealing and "realistic". if anyone has a problem with it just include an option which turns off/skips such scenes. why cater to any one demo when there is a clear democratic solution. the argumen has a weak foundation. with the same basis you can start a new thread "Violence in videogames...yes or no?" or "Blood in videogames.." or "Revealing bikinis at the beach...?"

What exactly are people afraid of? It's not like youhaven't been exposedto the horros of the world before.

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My issue, in particular, isn't the nudity but rather the context. As for "complex human situations," I haven't played a whole lot of BioWare RPGs to really know how that developer handles "romance" (never played Mass Effect or the Baldur's Gates), but if they really do know how to do a realistic and deep story about love -- and commitment -- then that will place them ahead of so many writers who toss in romance as an afterthought (I thought even the first Mass Effect novel was a bit questionable, in terms of depth, in this area).