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Yes, to kill or maim. Whether it be the animal you are hunting for food, or the person you are defending yourself against. Just because those other things I listed dont' have a primary purpose of killing doesn't mean that can't be what they're used for. Dynamite is a dangerous thing, yet it's primary purpose isn't to kill, but rather blast away debris. Yet it was used to kill more people in an early 20th century school massacre than any gun did.

Yes, an assault weapons ban, again though I go back to my point. What good did the assault weapons ban do? The 1994 one was implemented by people that had no idea what they were talking about. They really banned a bayonet mount? Really? All the things the ban enforced were merely cosmetic. It did not change the performance of the weapon in any way shape or form.

How does banning an "Assault Weapon" help anything? You can use a 6 shot revolver with a speed loader to quickly gun down people. Heck, use two revolvers. 12 shots, there you go. Molotov cocktails, which are easily made from high proof liqour or gasoline. Again, a ban won't do anything if someone has the will. There are to many other things to do.

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Look at Switzerland for crying out loud. Every male is issued a rifle upon completion of their conscriptive service. Yet it's one of the safest places in the country. Heck, Kennesaw, Georgia requires the head of every household to own a firearm. Relatively safe place as burgalaries have dropped.

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No, we can't legislate away evil. But we could start by legislating away the welfare state we create where everyone feels like a victim and relies on government for help. Not necessarily bring religion into the classroom as I am not a religious person by any means, but just using the Bible here for reference, contains many stories of that thing called "the golden rule" etc. Reinstitute civic duties. New Gingrich advocated during the last election to have children clean their schools and take pride. He was laughed at by parents who were insulted their children should do such a thing. But why? Kids in Japan do it. They clean their own schools. China too I believe. It teaches discipline and community.

Yes, certain guns can kill quite quickly. I'll not deny it. At the same time though, they are so many stories of people stopping would be attacks precisely because they were armed. You don't hear about it much due to the media not wanting to cover it, but it happens. I don't know what the solution should be. Do I think the government would ever become tyrranical to the point the military would follow it and we would have to revolt against it? No. At the same time though, Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws in the world and yet their violence is throug the roof. People say legalze drugs and it ends. It's not that simple and they're completely naive if they think that will solve it.

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It has alot more to do with banning. Again, China, strong authoritative government with a population largely homogenous with centuries of tradition and respect. Plenty of lunatics. Yes, he stabbed 22 people. That's not the only knifing they have though. They have several of them every year. More than we have gun massacres. We just heard about this one though due to the recent headlines here.

A nail gun with ramshot is effective beyond 3 feet. While not as powerful as a gun no, you can get the job done.

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As to saying whether or not I'd snap one day? Because I know I wouldn't. I know right from wrong. I mean by that logic, how do we know you wouldn't snap one day and take your car and plow it into a bunch of people crossing the street? Should we ban all cars? What about you taking a baseball bat and smashing in a person's head because they looked at you funny? Hmm, maybe you shouldn't have a knife to cut your food, you could snap and stab someone with it.

Mentally unstable and violent people aresn't supposed to have them. In the case of Newtown, he murdered his mother and took hers. Hence, he stole them. He was already a criminal at that point. The system is not perfect. But that is life. But until the hypocrites on the hill like Diane Feinstein who has a carry and conceal permit but advocates the rest of us should be disarmed, get off their soap box, you're not going to see any budge from those of us with guns who are lawfully using them to protect ourselves.

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Yah, lets looks at those who accidentally die due to guns. Lets not forget in the majority of those instances where a child finds a gun and kills themself or someone else, if's often due to their ignorance about guns. I don't mean this is an offensive way, but often as you will find out, it's because the child was never taught to properly respect them, or even know their parent/s had one. Accidents happen yes, and it's tragic. The simple underlying fact though is that if you're bent enough on doing it, you're gonna do it.

Go ahead and ban guns. Nothing's to stop a psycho path from going to the store and buying a nail gun and shooting people with that. Just as lethal and perfectly legal. Ban a knife? Take a screwdriver to a grinding wheel and sharpen it. Point is, until you fix the underlying problem with society as a whole and people start taking responsibility for their actions again, you're not going to solve anything.

The assault weapons ban of 1994 did absolutely nothing by the way. Crime still went up. High capacity magazines mean nothing. Take away a 30 round one? Ok, multiple ones of 10. With practice and training, you can reload them very quickly. There's a Youtube video of a person firing a 6 shot revolver and reloading it with a speed loader in under 5 seconds.

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@theKSMM I didn't have to hear this speech. I've heard so many from Wayne before. As I stated, the NRA wants the government to begin enforcing the laws on the books they have. Naturally they're opposed to new laws that don't make sense. An assault weapons ban doesn't do anything. You can do more damage with a .308 round than you can with the a .223 which is what the AR-15 he was using used.

Again, guns are not the problem. It's the breakdown of our morality. We've taken everything out the classroom and parenting. When are people responsible for their own actions anymore? They're not. You have a problem? Government will help. Your kids are doing bad in school? Must be the teachers, and not the fact that you don't help with their studying etc.

Recently CNN had an article comparing gun violence in Japan, which I think had like 81 murders by guns last year. Chicago has more than that in a year. However, they claimed the strict gun laws had so much to do with it. What they really failed to address though was the homogenous nature of the country, where Japan is roughly 99% ethnic Japanese, their people are instilled with discipline and respect for their elders at a young age, poverty is also much lower.

Society is the problem, not guns.

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@theKSMM It doesn't offend them. The NRA advocates for the government to enforce the laws they seem to refuse to do. You think the NRA wants lunatics running around with firearms? You're insane. They advocate for responsible gun ownership.

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@twillfast How does a gun kill someone? I could sit there point a gun at someone all day, locked cocked and ready to go. It will never fire, unless *I* make it. People are the problem. You argument saying "game don't kill people. guns do" is precisely what they're talking about. How can you blame guns, but not the break down of morality and a generation exposed to games, film and music etc. that do what they said? I personally don't believe games are responsible, as I've played violent ones since I was a kid, and being 31 now and owning 9 guns, I have yet to gun down anyone let alone ever contemplated i.t