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#1 SummerHillard
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There have been quite a few remastered HD collections on the PS3 of old PS2 titles/series, from the God of War Collection to the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection, with more coming in 2012 such as the Devil May Cry Collection.

Sounds like a great way to play classic PS2 games on the PS3. Butif you transfer your old PS2 save files to the PS3 console, can these "remastered" games actually LOAD those old PS2 saves, or do you have to start from scratch and make new "PS3" save files?

The fact that these titles give trophies (unless I'mmistaken), makes me think that they probably will not load.

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#2 SummerHillard
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If a game is opened it can only be returned to most "big box" retailers for one simple reason: its defective. You aren't legally allowed to return a game because "you didn't like it". And this is why when you return an open game the most you can really get is an exact copy of the game you are returning.

When a retailer gets an open game returned they have a few choices dependant on who their supplier is. In every case there is paperwork that must be filled out - the paper work tells the manufacturer that there was a defective item and the store is given credit for that item. Now this is the tricky part - the store can either A: return the defective copy to the manufacturer IF that is required or B: once the paperwork is complete and the credit is in the system the game is simply thrown away.

Sometimes a retailer can see that there is nothing wrong with the product, they can then sell the game at a steep discount as an "open box" item. And it won't matter how low they sell it - as they have already recieved credit for the item from the manufacturer - its essentially a "free" item now and whatever they sell it for is profit. But "open box" items are very rare and in about 98% of the time the items were actually opened "in store" for a promotion or other reason and haven't actually been in the hands of any consumers.

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I hope this is the truth right here. If this was Yahoo Answers, I'd give this the "Best Answer" points.

However, as far as "legality" goes, I do know for a fact that selling an opened item as NEW is indeed fraud, and it is very much illegal ... at least in the USA.

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I was thinking recently about how most retailers have return/exchange policies that will allow you to exchange a "defective" game for a new copy of the same game.

Well, this may be fine and dandy for the guy getting the new copy, but what happens to the copy that he ALREADY opened?

What does the store do with that copy? If they sell it as "used" (and many retailers do not even sell used merchandise), they'll be losing money on the deal, as they exchanged it for a new copy.

Plus, this would be highly unethical on the part of the retailer, as they'd basically be selling a copy already deemed as "defective" and hoping the next buyer won't realize or care.

Does the retailer ship the copy back to the manufacturer and receive a new copy in return? I would think that the manufacturer would legally be able to destroy the defective copy and replace it by adding another unit to be produced, with no cost to them?

The absolute worst case scenario would be if the retailer "repackages" the game itself as tries to sell it as NEW. Aside from being FRAUD (which is illegal), this kind of business practice really screws over the customer who ends up buying that copy of the game.

So when someone exchanges a game at Best Buy or Walmart or any other major retailer, are you are risk of buying someone's repackaged used copy, even though you're paying the price of a new one?

The problem is, a decent portion of games come with the "heat-sealed wrap" straight from the manufacturer, instead of the conventional "y-fold" seal. I remember that almost every copy of Capcom's Super Street Fighter IV for the PS3 was "heat-sealed" at launch,and they were pre-ordered for release date (there is a cheapassgamer thread about it on the internet where everyone who preordered the game received such a copy).

So in the case of those games, how do you tell if the game was heat-sealed by the manufacturer, or RE-sealed by the retailer?

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#4 SummerHillard
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Get some glasses if you cant notice the difference between SD and HD.GTR12

Just got new eyeglasses correcting my vision to 20/20. Try again.

You more than likely have a horrible TV and haven't had time on a good display.rschauby

Right ... I'm sure my Sony Bravia HDTV is the culprit, and not the contradicting statement that you posted RIGHT after:


Also, PS3 is just upscaled SD content anyway. It's not surprising that you have a hard time differentiating polished crap from crap.
rschauby

This.

Um.................what is this. HD isn't just new to the PS3 generation. I noticed a huge difference last gen when I finally got component cables for my PS2, and even more so when playing the few PS2 titles that actually had HD settings. Bottom line: you are insane. No one is trying to rip anyone off with "HD visuals" except for those over priced Monster hdmi cables and probably 3D HD TVs. HD is very much real and much better than SD. MC-Reap

Um.................some people need to learn how to READ.

The thread is titled high DEFINITION vs. standard DEFINITION.

I don't care if you can detect "sharper images" or "brighter colors" with an HDMI cable, so the hell can I. That's not the f***ing question.

Since half of the people that replied apparently don't even understand what DEFINITION is, allow me to explain:

High definition refers to a greater display resolution than standard definition, which means the video being output is made up of more pixels per frame, which equals a more DETAILED picture. Plain and simple. There is NO more detailed or complex definition (pun) of HD.

Here's the kicker:

This only works if your source material was FILMED in HD. Otherwise, all you're doing is just upconverting less pixels into more pixels (in the case of the vast majority of "so-called" HD video games). That equals FAIL.

Games are not FILMED with an HD camera, they're DESIGNED. Upscaling less pixels into more pixels results in MORE jaggies, not less. Simple logic. There is no way in hell that upconverting a picture of lower resolution into a higher resolution display is going to look better. It makes no sense and is physically impossible. Text might be sharper and easier to read, but that's about the only benefit.

I probably could have just figured this out myself instead of posting it here, where every third post is just going to be some SMARTASS comment. News flash, people who like to make smartass comments, ironically, usually aren't very "smart" at all and probably don't even know what the hell they're talking about.

In addition, as I said, I just wanted to check out how games look on a standard display after having played everything in HD my entire time using the PS3. I could switch back to my Sony Bravia at any time I wish, but I might stick with the standard set just based on the PRINCIPLE of my being correct.

I found another GameSpot thread where a member who actually DID know what the hell he was talking about summed up the issue pretty damn well:

It all depends on the TV, it's size and how far you sit, me, i now have a 1080p setup BUT i also have a 26" SD TV in my bedroom and i can tell you i'd be hard pushed to spot the difference in most games (as i have both tvs setup at there optimal distances for there size), infact one of my games actully looks better on the SD tv (R&C TOD) BUT that's because of the upscaling of the game on the 1080p makes it worse (R&C TOD is probably the worst upscaling game i've seen).Stoner-Pimp

True story.

The end.

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So ... the HD output uses more system resources ... or NOT?

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#7 SummerHillard
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I've played PS3 games using an HDMI cable on an HD TV set (in either 720p or 1080p video output) for pretty much the ENTIRE time that I've used my PS3.

However, just recently, I hooked up the PS3 to a different TV (standard definition TV set) using the composite cables (the ones included with the system) instead of an HDMI cable.

Surprisingly, I do not notice much of a difference at all between SD and so-called "HD" visuals.

Do I just suck at telling the difference between the two, or what?

There are no noticeable differences in jaggies (they're still there in the same amount), and the picture does not look more "defined" to me.

The major difference is in the TEXT. Text is definitely blurrier in SD (even in the XMB interface), and sometimes it can even be hard to read on a non-HD TV screen. On my HD TV, with an HDMI cable set to 720p or higher video output, text is clear and crisp.

But aside from this ... I can't tell any difference in the quality of the visuals. Most of the cutscenes in games look like the same next-gen graphics, regardless of SD or HD output.

Is picture "definition" just a subtle thing that I am not keen at detecting or something?

Also, I have been wondering this for a long time ... does playing a game in 720p or 1080p video output use more system resources (put more of a strain on the PS3) than playing the same game in 480i video output.

If so, then I may aswell start outputting everything in standard definition, since I can't seem to tell a difference anyway ... except when it comes to the TEXT, but that's really a minor issue.

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#8 SummerHillard
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My new Super Street Fighter IV disc does have a couple of faint scratches towards the outer edge of the disc ...

... but the good thing is, most games do not exceed 10 GB. Therefore on a 40 GB capacity blu-ray disc, you could probably have scratches on the outer 3/4 of the disc, and the laser would never even go near that area on the disc (I could be wrong abouthow thedata is distributed, though).

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Was this for PS3 (a blu-ray disc)? Did you go ahead and play the game anyway?

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#10 SummerHillard
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I order almost all of my games online, and during my time with the PS3, I've received about 3-4 games (brand new copies) with the discs loose/dislodged inside the case.

You can pretty much tell before you even open them, because a loose disc moves up and down inside when you move the case around. Plus, if the case is clear, you can just look inside to see the disc loose and moving around.

Well, blu-ray is supposed to be coated with a scratch-resistant surface. However, I've never actually USED any of these discs. If I receive a game wherein the disc is dislodged before I even open it, I don't even bother. I trade it in for another copy, either going in-store or sending the game back.

Has anyone ever just KEPT a game that had been dislodged inside the case? Is the surface really scratch-free (like they say), even though most discs would have been scratched to holy hell bouncing around inside the case? Do they always still continue to play fine in the PS3?