lol @ zogman81's comments 1) most people dont want the HD DVD drive, its there for people that do want it as it works out cheaper than buying a HD DVD player if you already have a 360, its got nothing to do with the gameing side of things. 2) who says the 360 has to be conected via wifi? a simple network cable that comes with the consol will do, its what I use. 3) Xbox live is £30 for a reason, and it speaks for itself tbh. im not a "fan boy" if anything im more a pc person, the two things that will make me get a ps3 is if they sort out the online play and reduce the price a bit.