@rodd76dog You do realize the console includes a headset, the camera is completely optional and only costs $59, the move controller is completely optional as well and only costs $40 (this is based on current gen prices).

So it is $400 for a complete package. Now if you are willing to spend the extra cash up to $500 you also get ps+ and a game. Also since you get plus you get instant access to another full ps4 title in drive club for free.

With the xbox one you pay $500 plus $60 for gold and then you still need a game which will be another $60. So with xbox you are paying over $600 to get a gaming experience. and with PS4 you are only paying $500.

I we remove both subscription services PS4 with a game is still cheaper then base xbox one.

Anyway i have proven my point.