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#1 Mcbasilrocks
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Another thing that I've noticed on a subsequent playthrough of the game that makes it clear that it was rushed is that it includes pacing and cues for the voice actors in the subtitles during cutscenes. That is to say, it tells the actor how to say a certain line, what mood the character is in, where they are, what's happening etc., so the actor can voiceact accordingly. My guess is that when the actors recorded the voices, they were shown the cutscenes with these cues going along the bottom. But they were left in. They make no sense. Some examples:

In the opening, we have 'That was only the beginning. (BEAT)' This would have been to tell the actor to pause momentarily.

Also in the opening, there's (JUMPS AND RUNS) and (SMILES). These obviously make no sense as subtitles, as they are visual cues, not audio. These would likely have been to tell the actors what the character was doing, so they could supply sound effects (moans, groans etc.) for the situation.

In OsTown, we have (ON THE DEFENSIVE) for Prescott. Same thing.

And throughout the game, we have several other (BEAT)s and unrelated subtitles.

So, my guess is this: the subtitles that we have in the final piece were originally used as a script for the voice actors, and different subtitles were to be typed up for the game. Then, when release date grew nearer and the news that the game needed to be chainsawed in half hit, they made a hash-job of pasting the actor's script into the subtitles, to avoid lawsuits from the likes of the HLAA, etc. Thus, we are left with acting cues like (JUMPS AND RUNS) in the subtitles that make no sense. That is the very definition of the word ludicrous. 

Next time you play through EM2, count the amount of subtitles that are out of place, and that don't make sense. You'll very soon agree with me, I'm sure.

Just on a side note: the original Epic Mickey wasn't entirely spotless when it came to subtitle errors either. I know EM1 was text-only, no voices, but does that really excuse this little number that Gus says on the UFO in Tomorrow City Lagoon:

'Splendid? looks like we have some company!'

which, of course, should have been:

'Splendid.... it looks like we have some company!'

You can see the error at 5:23 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slt0BroZUVc

So, yeah, that's my evidence-of-the-day completed for today. As ever, let me know what you guys think!

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#2 Mcbasilrocks
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Interestingly, I've been watching some footage of the HD (PS3 and XBox) games and noticed that the Thinner pool in OsTown in the final version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I95Z8ZzvJ-E (watch from around 26:00 onwards)

significantly differs from the pool in the early screenshots:

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://media.nintendo-gamer.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Epic-Mickey-2-screenshot-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nintendo-gamer.net/2012/10/04/epic-mickey-2-confirmed-for-wii-u-launch-in-the-uk/&h=720&w=1280&sz=720&tbnid=Tj92OsajjNJzdM:&tbnh=68&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__brMOvSJP89dOe2vDTBVESY2xwXk=&docid=R7KcsnzaukAcmM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=G134UI3FLs6S0QWAhICQBQ&ved=0CD0Q9QEwAw&dur=252

(ie, this is much more detailed graphically)

My guess is that they:

A: Had to tone it down because it was taking too much time to render, and the game needed to be truncated as we've said.

OR

B: They computer-generated this image just for publicity.

Thoughts?

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I recently found an article saying that EM2 only sold around 270,000 copies in North America between release date and now. The original sold 1.3 million in the same space of time. I think we both know why that is.... And thanks for checking out my script. Just to clarify, it's Prescott's evil eyes that are burning red, not Oswald's. And it's basically just my idea of how EM2 could have continued after fighting the Mad Doctor.... just to clear up any confusion. Thanks again!
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Also, I just noticed this. You know how in various parts of the game, you can see other visitable areas off in the distance? Like in Disney Gulch you can see Fort Wasteland, in Mean Street you can see Dark Beauty Castle etc. Well, look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r4_wq7bfik&list=UU6JGjB-nnSf_sruQ5J0nBSg&index=3

Ignore the guy talking, and skip to around 12:20. Then pause. In the background, you can very clearly see a Tomorrowland area, complete with Space Mountain and the Astro Orbitor. This definitely shows that you were meant to be able to visit Tomorrow City (from the first game). Thoughts?

The evidence is really stacking up now. I wonder if we can sue Disney for false advertising?

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I've recently been speculating how awesome the story could have been if they'd put more time into the relationship between Gus and Prescott. In that light, I've written a script for how I think the story should have gone. This follows on immediately after the diary scene, where Mickey, Oswald and Gus enter the Mad Doctor's ride. They see Ortensia etc. The Mad Doctor stands near a huge TV device. Prescott is with him. Mad Doctor (not singing): So, Mickey and Oswald, you made it. Mickey: Knock it off, Doc! Shut off the Thinner! (The Mad Doctor laughs evilly and moves to press a switch which will cover Ortensia, Horace and Clarabelle in Thinner. Mickey screams and fires a barrage of Thinner at the Doc's hand. He screams in pain.) MD: Ooh! Surround them! Tie them down! (an army of Blotworx materialises and pins the three to the floor, unable to move. MD cackles.) MD: I take it you read my diary, eh? But what it didn't tell you is that I have plans for the Cartoon World! The heart energy I have gotten from becoming famous up there is growing by the minute. As people watch my TV show, their appreciation flows down to me. But, as I am animatronic, I am unable to receive it. Thus, I needed a vessel for the power. Prescott! (Prescott flies out, his eyes burning red. Gus' eyes widen.) Gus: No! MD: Yes! Once Prescott becomes loved, he will be able to leave Wasteland! But that is not all! While you were doing battle with his silly machines, I had him build THIS! (He stands aside, revealing a large glass case containing tons of Blotworx. There is a chest attachment on one side that Prescott puts on his chest.) MD: Once Prescott activates the machine, his Toon AND Heart power will be drained, rendering him inert, and transferred to my Blotworx army! They will then be able to enter the Cartoon World, and do my bidding! Hahahahaha! (Oswald watches in terror, pounding his fists against the ground.) Prescott: W-what? Wait! You never said anything about being inert! You just told me I'd be famous! All-powerful! That no-one could defeat me! MD: And you were foolish enough to believe me. Now, activate the machine, Prescott. Prescott: No. MD: What did you say? I told you to activate the machine! Prescott: No, DOC. I won't do it. MD: I WON'T ASK YOU AGAIN! ACTIVATE THE MACHINE! BLOTWORX! (A demon Blotworx hops forward and hypnotizes Prescott, whose hand begins to move towards the machine. He tries to resist.) Prescott: No.... n-no.... Gus (desperately): PRESCOTT! STOP! THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING! THINK OF ME! THINK OF MICKEY AND OSWALD! THINK OF WASTELAND! HE'S LYING! DON'T.... (the Blotworx pins him to the ground, silencing him once more) (Prescott's hand touches the button). Prescott: I-I'm sorry, G-Gus.... (his finger presses the button. Suddenly a huge burst of lightning erupts from the machine and spirals into the sky, opening a link to the Cartoon World.) Mickey: My home.... no! (He tries to blast Prescott, but Gus slaps the Brush from his hand at the last minute, sending it down into a Thinner pool.) Gus: No, Mickey..... Prescott doesn't deserve it. Mickey: I... I understand. (He looks sadly down into the Thinner as Prescott screams in pain, his Toon energy transferring to the Blotworx army, who, one by one, begin to ascend up through the portal to the Cartoon World.) Oswald: Stop, Doc! You don't know what you're doing! Things are bad enough down here, leave the outsiders alone! MD: Silence, fool! I will find what lies beyond this petty little world! Once my Blotworx take over, I will use the Guardians to become a Toon and follow them up and out, leaving Wasteland in ruin! (Prescott's eyes close. He stops screaming. His body turns completely grey. He tumbles backwards, limp, into the Thinner, his energy drained.) Gus: No! (He wriggles free, and gives a warcry 'Once a Gremlin, always a Gremlin' before attempting to follow Prescott's body down the pit) MD: What? No! Stop him! He's seen too much! (The Blotworx attempt to shoot and grab Gus, but he escapes and follows Prescott, out of sight.) MD: No matter. He's dead either way. (He looks up into the sky. Vast numbers of Blotworx from across Wasteland are flooding through the portal. Cut to the Cartoon World. Famous Disney characters like Donald and Goofy are already being cornered by the Blotworx that are appearing through their TVs, which have been linked to Wasteland. Cut back to Wasteland. The last of the Blotworx go through the portal, which slowly closes. The Mad Doctor claps.) MD: Yes, it won't be long now.... (He spins around to Mickey and Oswald.) MD: And as for you, you meddling mouse and not-so-lucky rabbit.... you seem to be friends with that Gremlin... so.... (Their eyes widen.) MD: (singing to the Blotworx holding Mickey and Oswald) Dispooooooose.... offffff.... theeeeeemm! Mickey: No! (He tries to break free, but it's no good.The Blotworx hurl Mickey and Oswald down after Gus and Prescott, where they quickly use Oswald's ears to glide to safety over the Thinner, where they find Gus holding a limp Prescott.) Well, that's that. What did you guys think? This would have been the ideal story, in my opinion. Basically, the rest of the game would have seen you finding a way to reopen the link to the Cartoon World, get out there using Mickey's heart, leaving Oswald behind to fight off the remaining Blotworx (you'd switch between them occasionally, giving you the chance to control Oswald). Mickey would save the famous characters, then return to Wasteland where he finds that Gus has discovered some way of restoring Prescott, who sides with them. They gather all the Wastelanders together and tell them the truth and they all form an army to go after the Mad Doc. This would certainly have made the game longer..... I don't know, I just thought I'd put this up here. Maybe an idea for Epic Mickey 3...?
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#6 Mcbasilrocks
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HELLO ALL. ULTIMATE EVIDENCE HERE. VIEW THIS: http://epicmickey.wikia.com/wiki/Wonderland?file=6874.Epic-Mickey-6.jpg-550x0.jpg YES, YOU SAW THAT RIGHT. IT'S CONCEPT ART. FROM EPIC MICKEY 2. THAT WASN'T IN THE GAME, WAS IT? NO! NO, IT WASN'T! LIES, LIES, LIES!
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#7 Mcbasilrocks
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Wait until the A button prompt appears, then stand very still. Hold the A button until both Mickey and Oswald have grabbed their respective handles. Once this is done, a small white arrow will appear above the centre of the turnstile. At this point, tilt the control stick straight up, not left or right, in the direction of the arrow. Hold it there. You should begin to ascend.
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#8 Mcbasilrocks
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Point taken. YouTube has recently fixed up my links, and I've just uploaded Part 7. Here's hoping YouTube sorts that out too.
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#9 Mcbasilrocks
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Thanks a lot for the positive feedback! Don't worry, I'll be more careful about what I say in the future. I've got some great one-liners prepared for Big Bad Pete and the Card Guards though, so I'll have to see if I can restrain myself from the obvious "DEALING out some punishment" and "not PLAYING fair" puns.
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#10 Mcbasilrocks
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Oh, don't worry. I don't mean anything by those comments - I don't really think I'm a loser etc. It's all in the spirit of comedy, and at least an attempt to make the videos watchable. Thanks for viewing them anyway, sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry if they offended you at all. They weren't meant to be taken seriously. I just really get carried away... I really have fun making those videos! Oh, and I bet whenever you read any of my posts from now on you won't be able to unhear my real voice.....